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tinaamundson
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 Posted - 05/01/2012 : 18:52:34
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My father has a painting that has been in our family for generations. The painting is of a bark ship named “Collector”. The shipmaster was named C.B. Olsen, who we believe is somehow related to us. The wording on the bottom of the painting says “Collector of Arendal Capt. C.B. Olsen”. In my research I was able to determine that the ship left Arendal on May 14, 1879 and was sunk by the North German Lloyd steam ship “Oder” on June 8, 1879. In the accident an unnamed steward, Nils Winter, Edward Eliassen, Francks Kgllere and Paulus Nilsen were lost, all natives or Norway. The survivors were C.B. Olsen (shipmaster), M. Marcuson, Julius Olsen, Engel Lasson, Anton Anderson, Evald Olsen, John Johnson and a boy named Andras Christensen survived. The Collector was owned by “O.P.O. Olsen & Co.” of Arendal, Norway, was built in 1865 and registered 456 tons.
I am trying to trace my family back to this ship and to C.B. Olsen. I am having a difficult time not knowing what “C. B.” stands for. If anyone can provide and assistance or has any knowledge on this ship or C.B. Olsen, I would greatly appreciate it.
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Tina Amundson |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2012 : 20:17:58
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Hi,
Okay so who is the Norwegian ancestor you do know. Grandma or Grandpa or great grandparents or who? Where were they from?
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tinaamundson
Starting member
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21 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2012 : 20:38:57
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I have Olsen's on both my grandfather and grandmothers side, but I am pretty sure it is my grandfathers side.
My grandfathers (George H Amundson 1920-2002) dad was Arthur G. Amundson (1894- 1947), born in Minnesota. His parents were Ole Amundson (1866- ?) and Mina Schoyen (1892-1975), Mina was born in Minnesota but I believe Ole was born in Norway. Ole was married to Marie Rosendahl (1871 -?).
Mina's parents were Henry O. Schoyen (?-1939) and Mathea Oliane Olsen, both born in Norway. Henry's parents were, Ole Henrikson and Marie Henrikson...I can't find her birth last name. Mathea's parents were Christian Olsen and Mathea Oliandenger (or Oliana Mathea Christiansen, I have found it both ways). Oliana was baptised in Fredrikstad, Osfstaf Norway on July 2, 1854 DOB June 4, 1854.
I am really new to this stuff and unfortunetly don't have a lot of family around anymore to ask these questions to but I'd love to find out about my family so any guidance would be appreciated  |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2012 : 21:09:42
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Are you sure it says "C.B. Olsen", or could it be "O.P. Olsen" ?
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tinaamundson
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Posted - 05/01/2012 : 21:11:46
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| Yes, I am sure it is C.B. Olsen on the painting, I also confirmed with the Noway Maritime Museum that C.B. Olsen was the shipmaster of the Collector. |
Tina Amundson |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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tinaamundson
Starting member
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Posted - 05/01/2012 : 21:21:22
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I have found most of the information that I have from familysearch.org, that website has been very helpful.
I have seen Christian spelled as Kristian or Christian on that website...I think that Christian may be C.B. but I am unable to find anything on him past the marriage record referenced on familysearch.org. How do I look further and find more information on him and Mathea? |
Tina Amundson |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2012 : 21:33:51
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Hi,
You need to find where in Norway they came from.
I started with Schoyen as that is probably a farm name. Every farm in Norway has a name, and from the name you can determine which parish the folks carrying that farm name may have come from.
Most likely the farm is spelled Schøyen in Norway, anyway that's the first spelling to look for.
Ole is probably the most common of Norwegian first names and because Norway practiced patronymic naming, the father's first name become's one's last name. For instance Henry's father's name is given as Ole Henrikson, most likely you'll be looking for a Henrik ____son for the prior generation.
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peder
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Lislcat
Advanced member
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690 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2012 : 21:55:41
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| I would start looking in the Arendal area. Is it a coincidence that C. B. Olsen is the Shipmaster and that the owner is O.P.O. Olsen and Co? It could be that it was a family run business. I've seen that before, where the father owns the shipping business and the sons work onboard the ships. Also, the Julius Olsen that died onboard the ship, could of been C.B.'s brother. Just a thought and I realize that Olsen is a very common name. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 05/01/2012 : 21:58:48
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There are a number of excellent materials available online for your study and the number of Norwegian resources available online for research increases almost daily. Study, practice, enjoy!
Ancestors From Norway articles (http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/articles.html)
Portal to Norway research guidance of LDS Family History Library (https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Norway)
Tips on Using Digitalarkivet (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/DigitalArchives.html)
Norwegian census abbreviations (http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/census_abbreviations.html)
Norwegian censuses on NHDC website, instructions included (http://www.rhd.uit.no/indexeng.html)
FamilySearch has a large number of Norwegian births and marriages indexed (http://www.familysearch.org)
Links and more links about Norway and Norwegian genealogy (http://www.cyndislist.com/norway.htm)
Help for translating many of your finds (http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/files/word.htm)
Online study material to learn about Norwegian naming practices and patterns.
(http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/na12.html)
(http://www.nndata.no/home/jborgos/names.htm)
(http://www.norwayheritage.com/norwegian-names.htm)
(http://www.nndata.no/home/jborgos/farms.htm)
Norwegian censuses of 1910, 1900,1875 (only partially online), 1865 and 1801 are online as searchable databases. Two websites with different search functions and strengths can be used.
(http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/DigitalArchives.html)
(http://www.rhd.uit.no/indexeng.html)
The detail available in the extensive parish church records is a marvelous gift from Norway. The Digitalarkivet web site has been adding scanned images of the original Norwegian parish church records for anyone with Internet access since November 2005. To be able to use the parish records you must first know WHERE in Norway you want to search for this documentation.
The Digitalarkivet web site - (http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebFront.exe?slag=vis&tekst=meldingar)
An English option is available by clicking on that word from either the left hand column or the blue link bar along the bottom of the homepage.
The scanned images are available from the homepage link "Skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Digitised parish records" [English version] which is listed along the left hand column and from the blue banner of links along the top section of the homepage.
When you click on that link another page will present a short list of choices - choose "Read the digitized parish registers"[English version]/"Lesa skanna kykrebøker" [Norwegian version].
After you've clicked on that link and a new main page has presented on the screen be sure and read the instructions that are available from the Digitalarkivet for navigating the scanned records. The instructions are available in Bokmål (official Norwegian), Nyorsk (Norwegian), Davvisámegiella (Saami), and English.
Recommended basic reading are the "Startsiden" [Norwegian version]/"Main page" [English version], "Brukerveiledning" [Norwegian version]/"User's guide" [English version] and "Om tjenesten" [Norwegian version]/"About this service" [English version].
Good information about translating the formats of Norwegian parish church records during various time periods, many of the basic terms used and understanding how to use the information should be studied at this web site -
(http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html)
Norway has a tradition of publishing history and genealogy books for many rural districts of the country called 'bygdebøker'. You might be lucky enough to have had ancestors from one of the areas which has one or more good 'bygdebøker' published about it.
Learn about 'bygdebøker' (http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/bygdebok.html)
Bygdebøker and Ættarbøker can be helpful but are definitely secondary sources of information -- any research done in them should be verified in the primary sources such as the parish church records.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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7790 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2012 : 21:59:04
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Hi,
Yes Olsen is common and there may be 2 Norwegian ships named Collector, if you look in the database at the Norsk Maritime museum..
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peder
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2012 : 22:13:22
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This Master's theses in History from 2011 "Rederiene og avgjørelsesprosessene : for utvalgte rederier i Nedenes amt i perioden 1850-1918", says that Chr. Olsen was a captain of the Collector in 1879.
The theses examines how the shipping companies in Aust-Agder (Nedenes County) acted to the changing times
in the shipping industry in the period 1850-1918, and what was the basis for the choices that were made.
The period was characterized by cyclical fluctuations, both internationally, nationally and regionally.
The Navigation Act initiated in 1850 a recovery period that was followed of decline from the end of the 1870s,
a decline that was exacerbated by the local banking crash in Arendal in 1886.
Then the market remained at a lower level until a new boom came with World War I (1914 - 1918).
Collector
Bark 464 tonn. Build at Natvig farm, Øyestad by Paul Kittelsen 1865. Registered in i Tvedestrand in 1877.
Captains: N. Olsen 1865-74, Chr. Olsen 1879
Shipping company: O. P. Olsen 1865-78, Niels Olsen 1879.
In the document it says: Only on one of the ships build at the Natvig farm (the Collector), was one of the brothers captain. Nils Milberg was a captain on this ship until 1874.
But in the same document under "Collector" it says: Førere: N. Olsen 1865-74, Chr. Olsen 1879
N. Olsen is Nils Milberg (1831-1918). Brother Christoffer Olsen looks to have been a captain in 1879.
It also says that at the end of the 1870's, only one of the brothers was still working as a Captain, Christoffer. He died in 1883.
Captain and shipowner from Askerøya in Dypvåg parish, Niels Olsen (1781-1872), came to the Natvig farm in Øyestad in 1824. He was married to Ester Pedersdr.
Niels was from a shipping family, and shipping had from the beginning of the 1800's been his main source of income, both as a part owner and captain.
The proximity to the maritime city of Arendal and its location at the end of the river Nidelva, led to his establishment of a small repair shop for ships on the farm.
Niels Olsen's 6 sons all had a career in shipping. All of them took the captain exam and sailed for some years as captains, before heading the sea and establishing themselves on land. The family came to power shipping business until 1914.
Sons:
1) Niels Olsen's oldest son, Ole Peder Olsen (1819-1905), took over the farm in 1854 and expanded the ship repair yard located on the farm into a modern shipyard.
2) Even Peder Olsen (1821-1893) sailed as captain until 1874, when he moved to Gothenburg with the family, and established himself as a lawyer.
3) Christopher (1826-1886) sailed as captain until 1877, when he went ashore and continued as part owner of ships.
4) Nils Milberg (1831-1918) sailed as captain until 1875. He got the job as a ship surveyor for the Norwegian Veritas in 1876.
5-6) Also the sons Gunder (1829-1918) and Gjeruld (1824-1910) established themselves as shipowners in the maritime city of Arendal.
Niels Olsen Natvig (1781-1872)
Son Ole Peder Olsen (1819-1905)
Son Gunder Olsen (1829-1918)
Son Nils Olsen Milberg (1831-1918)
Bark Peabody 462 tonn. Build at Natvig in 1869 by the Olsen family.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 06/01/2012 : 01:56:37
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Originally posted by tinaamundson
My grandfathers (George H Amundson 1920-2002) dad was Arthur G. Amundson (1894- 1947), born in Minnesota. His parents were Ole Amundson (1866- ?) and Mina Schoyen (1892-1975), Mina was born in Minnesota but I believe Ole was born in Norway. Ole was married to Marie Rosendahl (1871 -?).
Hi Tina,
There are lots of willing helpers on this forum. The information on the ship is wonderful and should help you get to your goal of understanding the connection between the painting and your family.
Since you are already familiar with www.familysearch.org you may want to take a look at the Ole Amundson family in the 1895 Minnesota State census at that site, if you haven't already:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M9S9-HP3
In particular look at the man named Amund Amundson age 27 born Minnesota. Who do you think he is?
Jackie M. |
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