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ldavison
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Australia
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 Posted - 16/02/2012 : 23:57:12
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This is my first step into researching an ancestor I have just recently discovered is from Norway.
So where do I start ??
The only information I have is from his daughter's baptism in Berwick-upon-Tweed, England in 1810
Martha GEORGINSON b. April 2 1st daughter of James GEORGINSON mariner native of Norway wife Elizabeth ANDERSON (native this parish)
I am wondering if his name has been completely anglicised. Without his birth place I am sure I am at a dead end but thought it worth seeing if someone on this forum can give me some suggestions.
Thanks
Lea-Anne |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/02/2012 : 00:24:52
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This can be a tough one...
James Georginson could be Johannes Jørgensen in Norway.
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ldavison
Starting member
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Posted - 17/02/2012 : 00:36:07
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Thank you Jan Peter
It seems like a common name, but without a birth place I don't know where to start. Any suggestions. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/02/2012 : 00:41:04
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It's a very common name. Without any other information, it will be difficult, No age or anything? Names of his other children?
Some J. Jørgensen sailors in the Norwegian 1801-census:
Amt Prestegjeld Sokn Gate Gard/hus Nytt hushald Førenamn Etternamn Hushaldstill. Alder Sivilstand Yrke Kjønn
48435 Smaalehnene Friderichshald Friderichshald Saug Banken No. 466 Jens Jørgensen Deres søn 17 Ugift Matros
48450 Smaalehnene Friderichshald Friderichshald Saug Banken No. 468 * John Jørgensen Huusbonde 22 Begge i første ægteskab Matros
392012 Bratsberg Porsgrund Porsgrund 12 * Johannes Jørgensen Mand, logerende 28 Begge i 1ste ægteskab Søefarende
400224 Nedenæs Østre Moeland Tromøe Hafstad Jens Jørgensen Deres børn 19 Matros
400315 Nedenæs Østre Moeland Tromøe Songe Jørgen Jørgensen Hans søn 19 Ugift I kongl. tieneste som matros
401096 Nedenæs Østre Moeland Tromøe Krøgenæs Jens Jørgensen Deres børn 27 Ugift Udcommanderet i kongl. tieneste til søes
406364 Nedenæs Øyestad Fiære Grømstad * Jørgen Christian Jørgensen Mand 47 Gift 1ste gang Søefarende
438737 Lister Og Mandal Walle Spangereld Goxem Jørgen Jørgensen Hendes søn 21 Ugivt Enroul. matros
453875 Lister Og Mandal Herods Spinds Reisvaag Jørgen Jørgensen Inderst 21 Ugift Enroul. matros
453875 Lister Og Mandal Herods Spinds Reisvaag Jørgen Jørgensen Inderst 21 Ugift Enroul. matros
463872 Lister Og Mandal Flechefiord Hitterøe Fiddje Østre Johannes Jørgensen Deres børn 20 Ugivt Matros
514730 Søndre Bergenhuus Findaas Sveens Hinderlie Johannes Jørgensen Hendes stif-børn 21 Ugifte Matros i kongens tieneste
569172 Søndre Bergenhuus Bergen Bergen 70 Jørgen Jørgensen Logeerende 22 Ugift Matroos
677799 Romsdal Qværnæs Bremsnæs Torøen Jon Jørgensen Hendes søn 16 Ugivt Enroul. matros
680111 Romsdal Qværnæs Christiansund No 79 Johannes Jørgensen Mandens sønn 30 Ugift Matros
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Edited by - jwiborg on 17/02/2012 00:43:02 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/02/2012 : 00:42:15
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Were both parents born Norwegian?
I agree with Jan Peter.
Pronunciation of the alphabet in English and Norwegian are quite different.
James is not a Norwegian name, in 1801 17 persons with first name James lived in Norwy.
Neither Georginson is Norwegian, but quite similar pronunciation to the Norwegian lastname Jørgensen.
Kåre |
Edited by - Kåarto on 17/02/2012 09:05:26 |
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ldavison
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 17/02/2012 : 00:53:40
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From the research I have done so far -
James Georgison died in 1844 aged 64 in Gateshead, Durham (birth year 1780)
I am still looking for his marriage to Elizabeth Anderson. She was born in Burton, Northumberland about 1780 as well.
First child born in Berwick-upon-Tweed, Northumberland.
Other children from FamilySearch website -
William Jorgeson, 1819, Hull, York
twin (I think) to Elizabeth Jorgeson, 1819, Hull, York
Ann Jordeson, 1821, Hull, York
James Georgison, 1823, Hull, York
Robert Georgison, 1824, Hull, York
All names spelt as found, so the Jorgeson is a possibility.
Would it be possible to have a translation of the details from the census for all sailor aged about 20-21.
Thanks so much for your help so far.
Lea-Anne
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 17/02/2012 : 03:28:18
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Might be him from 1841 England Census. Would have been nice to have been more explicit than "Foreign Parts"
1841 England Census 1841 England Census
Name: James Georgison
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Gender: Male
Where born: Foreign Parts
Civil parish: Gateshead
Hundred: Chester (East Division)
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Members: Name Age
James Georgison 55
Eliz Georgison 55
Wm Georgison 20
James Georgison 15
Robt Georgison 15
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ldavison
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 17/02/2012 : 03:46:31
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Yes that is him in the 1841 Census. It was the "foreign parts" that started me on this search. It wasn't til I got the details of the baptism of Martha where it said he was a mariner, native of Norway that I knew exactly where to start - sort of.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/02/2012 : 09:46:56
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Died at age 64, born 1780 (estiamated year?)
12 men with firstname starts on J. with last name Jørgensen in the 1801 census.
An interesting candidate.
Johannes Jørgensen, sailor, born on farm Vestre Fidje 1780 on the island Hidra, Flekkefjord town, Vest-Agder County, age 20 in Flekkefjord town in1801.
Parents farmer and reserve pilot Jørgen Nilsen and Marthe Lene Larsdatter.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 17/02/2012 10:21:31 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/02/2012 : 12:12:04
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I know several people who's name was Johannes, and became "James" in the US. Buth John or Johs was also used a lot.
I'm not sure how common it was to anglicise Johannes into James in 1820? What about "Jens"? That could sound like James.
Jørgensen sailors born 1776-1785 in the Norwegian-1801 census:
Firstname, Lastname, age, parish, county
Anders Jørgensen (21) Øyestad, Nedenæs
Anders Jørgensen (22) Øyestad, Nedenæs
Anders Jørgensen (23) Bragernæs, Bragernæs
Anders Jørgensen (25) Westbye, Aggershuus
Andreas Jørgensen (19) Hommedal, Nedenæs
Gunder Jørgensen (23) Tveds, Lister Og Mandal
Hans Jørgensen (19) Sem, Jarlsberg Og Larvik
Hans Jørgensen (20) Brevig, Brevig
Hans Jørgensen (22) Østre Moeland, Nedenæs
Hans Petter Jørgensen (20) Bergen, Søndre Bergenhuus
Ingebrigt Jørgensen (22) Borgen, Romsdal
Iver Jørgensen (23) Friderichsværn, Jarlsberg Og Larvik
Jens Jørgensen (17) Friderichshald, Smaalehnene
Jens Jørgensen (19) Østre Moeland, Nedenæs
Johannes Jørgensen (20) Flechefiord, Lister Og Mandal
Johannes Jørgensen (21) Findaas, Søndre Bergenhuus
Jon Jørgensen (16) Qværnæs, Romsdal
Jørgen Jørgensen (19) Østre Moeland, Nedenæs
Jørgen Jørgensen (21) Herods, Lister Og Mandal
Jørgen Jørgensen (21) Herods, Lister Og Mandal
Jørgen Jørgensen (21) Walle, Lister Og Mandal
Jørgen Jørgensen (22) Bergen, Søndre Bergenhuus
Knud Jørgensen (22) Øyestad, Nedenæs
Lars Jørgensen (17) Holmestrand, Holmestrands
Lars Jørgensen (22) Bragernæs, Bragernæs
Niels Jørgensen (19) Friderichshald, Smaalehnene
Niels Jørgensen (24) Friderichshald, Smaalehnene
Niels Jørgensen Fuglesang (20) Aas, Aggershuus
Ole Gross Jørgensen (20) Hommedal, Nedenæs
Ole Jørgensen (17) Christiansand, Lister Og Mandal
Ole Jørgenssen (23) Davig, Nordre Bergenhuus
Peder Jørgens (17) Tronhiem, Tronhiem
Peder Jørgensen (16) Øyestad, Nedenæs
Petter Jørgensen (21) Christiania, Christiania
Simon Jørgensen (24) Øyestad, Nedenæs
Søren Jørgensen (19) Østre Moeland, Nedenæs
Terje Jørgensen (22) Øyestad, Nedenæs
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Edited by - jwiborg on 17/02/2012 12:29:09 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/02/2012 : 12:17:13
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About his son James Georgison, born 1823: Have you ever seen his name spelled in a different way? I would guess he is named after his father.
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ldavison
Starting member
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Posted - 17/02/2012 : 12:35:34
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Thank you everyone for your suggestions. Its all a little daunting for me. Kare - why is your Johannes Jørgensen an interesting candidate. I can see the significance of the father's name. I can't see him in the list that Jan Peter suggested though.
Jan Peter - is there any way to find out the names of the fathers in your list of candidates in blue.
I have not seen his son James written any other way. What was the next census date in Norway. Is it possible to eliminate any candidates by seeing if they are in the next census.
Are there any records in Norway that show the movements of citizens from their home towns.
I am very appreciative of everyone's help and would greatly appreciate any more suggestions on narrowing down the list.
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David Yaw
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Posted - 17/02/2012 : 13:00:28
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| Lee-Ann, FreeBMD lists James death Q4, 1844 and Elizabeth Georgison, died Gateshead Q3, 1854. This facililty does not cover birth, marriage or death events prior to 1837. Between 1837 and 1850, and later, there are several such events in Gateshead and other neighbouring places in the north-east - maybe other children or grandchildren. If you can't search yourself on the FreeBMD site, let me have your e-mail address and I'll send you the details. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/02/2012 : 13:01:17
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Johannes Jørgensen is in the list above marked blue.
Johannes Jørgensen (20) Flechefiord (Flekkefjord), Lister og Mandal
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/02/2012 : 13:21:32
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Your James settled in England before 1819.
Sailor Johannes Jørgensen born 1780 on farm Fidje I found is only an interesting candidate.
His father Jørgen Nilsen died on Fiddje 1812 and the mother Marthe Lene Larsdatter died on Fidje 1821.
A probateregister will probably give more information reg. their son Johannes Jørgensen b. 1780.
Some probate registers are online, all probateregisters in Norway will be online within a few years.
Still some Jørgensen sailors b.1780 or ca. 1780 to look up.
Kåre
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/02/2012 : 13:31:45
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You can find the fathers name in the free online 1801-census. But I would not focus too much on the father at this time of the search.
The father of a man with a lastname of "Jørgensen" would in most cases have a first name = Jørgen in 1801. If written in England, possibly "Jorgen" or "George"?
The next complete online census is from 1865.
The Norwegian 1801-census can be searched (in english) here.
Amt - County
Prestegjeld - Parish
Sokn - Sub parish
By - City
Bydel - Part of town
Gate - Street
Gard/hus - Farm/house
Merknad - Notes
Prestegjeldnr - Parish number
Førenamn - First name
Etternamn - Last name
Hushaldstill. - Household position
Alder - Age
Sivilstand - Marital status
Yrke - Occupation
Merknad - Notes
Kjønn - Sex
er lik - "is equal"
børjar på - "starts with"
børjar på vis - "starts with - show all"
inneheld - "contain"
inneheld vis - "contain - show all"
This topic could also be useful for others to see.
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 18/02/2012 10:47:06 |
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