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livtjern
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 Posted - 02/04/2012 : 23:59:37
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I've written to David Scollard kids but have'nt get answer.
About Bertha Wang, I dont think she is the right person, but I've written to a newspaper in Williston, ND, and I hope I can get any respons from there, and I hope you can help me more, too! |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/04/2012 : 00:17:01
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Bertha Wang entered the discussion because she was named as the mother of the Ahlson who married Denzil Scollard. So the Scollards might not be related to you?
Here is what the record says:
Name: E. Denzil Scollard
Titles & Terms:
Event: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Dec 1941
Event Place: Sidney, Richland, Montana
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: 1911
Father: David G. Scollard
Mother: Agnes Cowden
Spouse: Audrey Ahlsen
Spouse's Age: 23
Spouse's Estimated Birth Year: 1918
Spouse's Father: Anton Ahlsen
Spouse's Mother: Bertha Wang
Volume/Page/Certificate Number: item 2 cn 3812
Film Number: 1905316
Digital Folder Number: 4351326
Image Number: 536
Source Citation
"Montana, County Marriages, 1865-1950," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F37P-PLX : accessed 2 April 2012), Anton Ahlsen in entry for E. Denzil Scollard and Audrey Ahlsen and null (1941).
You might also want to try contacting the Ancestry database holder...
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Edited by - jkmarler on 03/04/2012 00:35:16 |
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livtjern
Medium member
Norway
102 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2012 : 22:04:36
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(Hans) Anton Ahlsen is right person, but Bertha's last name "Wang" is not right, I dont know where Wang is coming from. Mabe it was 2 Anton Ahlsen and 2 Bertha, I'm not sure, but I will wait and look if I can get som answer from the newspaper in Williston. Many peoples changed theire names, too!
In the census 1900 in Norway it's 1 Hans Anton Ahlsen. |
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livtjern
Medium member
Norway
102 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2012 : 22:43:29
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I saw that it's standing (first name) Christine and (last name) Engerberg as mother to Bertha in the census 1920 and she was a widow, but the mothers name is (first name) Engerberg (Ingeborg) and (last name) Christiansen. She was marry to Christian Andersen and the kids she had with him used Christiansen.
I would like to get email adress to David Scollard, but I can't find it, just tlf.nr., (but I think its difficult to speak english in the telephone). It's not sure his kids know about theire relatives or not have interest.
I hope Audrey Ahlsen is the right person, and I hope to get contact with D. Scollard. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/04/2012 : 22:55:47
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Hi,
Technically, the relationships given in the census records are the person's relationship to the head of the household. In this case Anton Ahlsen is the head--so Christine might be his mother rather than Bertha's mother. However I just checked at www.familysearch.org and Christine Engerberg is transcribed as mother-in-law, rather than mother.)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MCD9-K8T
The 1940 census is now out it would be interesting to see if Amalie had become Audrey in that census. No searchable index yet for it.
http://1940census.archives.gov/
These are all the E.D. numbers for Williston. There are apt to be a lot of pages to load and look through--for instance 53-64A has 20 pages:
53-64A
53-64B
53-65A
53-65B
53-66A
53-66B
53-67A
53-67B
53-68A
53-68B
53-69
There are not so many people of the last name Ahlsen in North Dakota. The death index listings for Bertha and Anton given earlier are the only of those first names in the database.
Williston in Williams County is the on the western edge of North Dakota bordering Montana...
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Edited by - jkmarler on 05/04/2012 23:58:28 |
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livtjern
Medium member
Norway
102 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2012 : 23:46:29
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I've now signed in to the Ancestry and have more to look at.
I just found David Scollard at facebook as friend to Darikka and Winston Scollard. I've written to him and is waiting for a answer, interesting!
I belive Engerberg (Ingeborg) was Bertha's mam, because Bertha's mam was born 1846. (She could be H.A. mam, too). |
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livtjern
Medium member
Norway
102 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2012 : 00:15:29
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I found the bapt. Hans Anton Ahlsen. He was born 9. September 1873, bapt. 12. October 1873 in Sandar, Vestfold, (vest from Oslo), Norway.
His parents were (seaman) Johannes Ahlsen and Amalie Hansdt., and they lived at a farm (?) named Store (big) Bergan.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2012 : 00:16:31
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Based on her name in the 1920 census as a misread of Ingeborg Christianson. Here is a death record from the North Dakota Public Death Index for Ingeborg:
CHRISTIANSON, INGEBORG
died 03/21/1926 Williams
FEMALE 80 Years
born 01/17/1845
North Dakota Williams
Ingeborg, in the actual census schedule for 1920 gives 1909 as her migration date to the US. Likely she and Bertha came together since Bertha's migration date is also given as 1909.
Census taker was having a rough go the day this family's info was taken. The daughter Borgheld is listed as "son" but also f for female! |
Edited by - jkmarler on 06/04/2012 00:30:55 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2012 : 00:52:29
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Here are the only Ahlsen entries in the North Dakota Naturalization Records Database:
Lastname Firstname Country Papers Date County Volume Page Comments
Ahlsen Anton Norway 1st April 09, 1918 Williams D-8 488
Ahlsen Anton Norway 2nd September 28, 1920 Williams P-19 154
Ahlsen Hans Anton Norway 1st January 07, 1905 Grand Forks D-11 402
Ahlsen Oivind E Norway 1st October 20, 1931 Grand Forks D-18 1839
Ahlsen Oivind Erling Norway 2nd August 29, 1938 Williams P-23 036
Hans' date of migration in the 1920 census was given as 1904 so entirely possible that the 1905 filing is his, and forgotten or etc.
Here is the patent of Hans Anton Ahlsen's homestead in Ward County, N.D.:
http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/details/patent/default.aspx?accession=44082&docClass=SER&sid=rc2zgmme.sl1#patentDetailsTabIndex=1
Accession Nr: 44082 Document Type: Serial Patent State: North Dakota Issue Date: 1/28/1909 Cancelled: No
Names On Document Miscellaneous Information
PatenteeAHLSEN, HANS ANTON
Land Office: Minot
US Reservations: Yes
Mineral Reservations: No
Tribe: ---
Militia: ---
State In Favor Of: ---
Military Rank: --- Authority: April 24, 1820: Sale-Cash Entry (3 Stat. 566)
Document Numbers Survey Information
Document Nr: 072 Total Acres: 159.22
Misc. Doc. Nr: --- Survey Date: ---
BLM Serial Nr: NDMIN 0000072 Geographic Name: ---
Indian Allot. Nr: --- Metes/Bounds: No
Land Descriptions
State Meridian Twp - Rng Aliquots Section Survey # County
ND 5th PM 153N - 087W S½NE¼ 5 Ward
ND 5th PM 153N - 087W Lot/Trct 1 5 Ward
remarks: lot 1 or nene quarter
ND 5th PM 153N - 087W Lot/Trct 2 5 Ward
remarks: lot 2 or nwne quarter
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2012 : 22:36:28
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You asked long ago for marriage information on Bertha and I believe this is her marriage to Hans from www.mncounty.com:
HENNEPIN 01810308
2/26/1915
AHLSEN, HANS
WARY, BIRTHA
The original record of this is probably handwritten which interpretation of the bride's last name might lead to something like "Wang"
And here is the image of their marriage application at www.familysearch.org, her age given as 26 and his as 41:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17876-65258-94?cc=1803974 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 06/04/2012 22:41:51 |
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livtjern
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Norway
102 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2012 : 23:17:04
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I think it's theire marriage, but I can't understand where "Wang" came from, but to else is theire name and older right. I have'nt heard from Scollard yet, I'm waiting.....
You works hard for me, thank you! |
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jkmarler
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livtjern
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Posted - 07/04/2012 : 00:38:51
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I've look at this family too, but they are another, not my relatives.
It's curious that 2 families with mam and dad with same names.
Ahlsen-names is a sell name in Norway, I've seen it most in Fredrikstad/Halden in Østfold co, Norway.
I most have focus at Ahlsen in Williston, they are the right.
It had been fun to find the birthday for Amelie / Audrey, maybe she was born in Hennepin? |
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jkmarler
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livtjern
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Posted - 09/04/2012 : 14:38:29
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Hello Jackie!
You are SUPER and I will give you a BIG STAR!!! Now, I will try to get contact with them "over there"!
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Bertha Erlandsen and Hans A. Ahlsen, W in ND
