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eibache
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 Posted - 16/03/2012 : 16:45:11
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Torkel Hansen, b. Dec 14 1805 and Margith Olsdatter, b. Jan 25 1801 and the daughter Margith, b. Dec 13 1839 leaving Hjartdal, see #57, 58 and 59.
Torkels bapt record 4th on left page.
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Hopkins
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Posted - 16/03/2012 : 18:42:23
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Does the book Hjartdalsoga has anything on Hans Olsen Dalen?
Kåre
There are quite a number of Dalen named farms and sub-farms (and similar spellings) in the four books of the Hjartdalsoga. I've looked through quickly and cannot say there is any obvious match.
We have very very little info about Hans Olssen Dalen. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 16/03/2012 : 20:05:25
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You are right, we have very little info on his father; a bachelor from Dalen (Valley) in Hjartdal.
Ole, Olsen and Olsdatter were the most common names in Norway at that time, also among the emigrants.
I wonder if perhaps Harald Hansens mother Margit Olsdatter was from another parish?
There were some with that name born in the neighbor municipalities. Pehaps if her death record was found.
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jkmarler
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Kåarto
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Posted - 16/03/2012 : 22:10:39
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1865 censuses above.
- Margit Olsdr. age 83 was a poor pauper.
- Margit Olsdr. age 63, widow, she was from Kaasa in Hjartdal, when she married Ole Nilsen Teigen Dec. 11. 1828. two daughters and a son, youngest dau. Aslaug b. Dec. 22. 1844
- Margit Olsdr. age 72, widow and lodger
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jkmarler
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Posted - 17/03/2012 : 03:39:59
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The Hjartdal in Hjartdal parish register contains a small number of pages, so I took the liberty to look. There were 4 Margit Olsdatters marrying in that parish between 1820 and 1843.
1.Margit Olsdtr marriage age 19 in 1827 #4 right Hjartdal:
Source information: Telemark county, Hjartdal in Hjartdal, Parish register copy nr. I 1 (1815-1842), Marriage records 1825-1827, page 195.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7954&idx_id=7954&uid=ny&idx_side=-117
2. & 3.Margit Olsdtr #2, Margit Olsdtr #3 right Hjartdal same page:
Source information: Telemark county, Hjartdal in Hjartdal, Parish register copy nr. I 1 (1815-1842), Marriage records 1828-1829, page 196.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7954&idx_id=7954&uid=ny&idx_side=-118
4. Margit Olsdtr marriage #9:
Source information: Telemark county, Hjartdal in Hjartdal, Parish register (official) nr. I 7 (1815-1843), Marriage records 1830, page 200.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7959&idx_id=7959&uid=ny&idx_side=-137
Two of these women are eliminated from consideration to be Harold Hanson's widowed mother because their husbands were still alive and counted in the 1865 census or were not found to have died by the 23 Mar 1846. But two husbands were dead by that time thus making 2 Margit Olsdatter's widows.
The men who died are:
Ole Thorbjornson Haugen 80 years death #5:
Source information: Telemark county, Hjartdal in Hjartdal, Parish register copy nr. I 1 (1815-1842), Death and burial records 1839, page 112.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7954&idx_id=7954&uid=ny&idx_side=-107
A Soren Haraldson age 38 on Haugen death #8 1836:
Source information: Telemark county, Hjartdal in Hjartdal, Parish register copy nr. I 1 (1815-1842), Death and burial records 1835-1837, page 110.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7954&idx_id=7954&uid=ny&idx_side=-105
Further looking should be done to see if either or both women remained unmarried (or were widowed again) by 23 Mar 1846. I guess the 1. Margit is likeliest to be Harold's mother for age reasons--Margit #3 was 39 years old in 1828 when she married so would be difficult to think of her having her last child 18 years later...In both of these women's cases, if Harold is her son he would have had 1/2 siblings. |
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jkmarler
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Kåarto
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Posted - 17/03/2012 : 11:06:15
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Originally posted by jkmarler
It might be a coincidence but there is an Anne Sorensdatter living on Midbø in the 1865 census:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=23&filnamn=f60827&gardpostnr=184&personpostnr=820&merk=820#ovre
Here is Soren Haraldson's and Margit Olsdatter's daughter Anne's baptism:
Anne Sorensdtr #24:
Source information: Telemark county, Hjartdal in Hjartdal, Parish register copy nr. I 1 (1815-1842), Birth and baptism records 1831, page 42.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7954&idx_id=7954&uid=ny&idx_side=-44
You have been busy Jackie.
This Soren Haraldsen Haugen married to Margit Olsdatter is an interesting couple since we are looking for Harald Hansen Midbø´s mother.
Why he was bap. Harald confuse me a bit since his fathers father was Ole (father Hans Olsen).
It was tradition that the first born son was named after his fathers father, if this coulpe would have a son he would probably have been named Harald Sorensen after Sorens Haraldsen Haugen´s father Harald.
Interesting couple, espesially since an Anne Sorensdatter (a possible half sister to Harald?) lived on Midbø in 1865 and Harald was born on Midbø.
But is also might be a coincidence.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 17/03/2012 : 11:20:19
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Søren Haraldsen Haugen died Oct. 9. 1836, see #8 so we do have a Margit Olsdatter widowed 1836.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 17/03/2012 : 12:33:03
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Anne Sørensdatter Midbø in the 1865 census, her father was Søren Sørensen.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 17/03/2012 : 14:28:19
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Originally posted by Kåarto
You have been busy Jackie.
...r.
Why he was bap. Harald confuse me a bit since his fathers father was Ole (father Hans Olsen).
It was tradition that the first born son was named after his fathers father, if this coulpe would have a son he would probably have been named Harald Sorensen after Sorens Haraldsen Haugen´s father Harald.
But is also might be a coincidence.
Kåre
Well, you folks do this kind of work in the records for most everybody.
About the name, it is a bit strange but she had already had an Ole, Harald, and a Soren with Soren:
Harald Sorenson #4
Source information: Telemark county, Hjartdal in Hjartdal, Parish register copy nr. I 1 (1815-1842), Birth and baptism records 1828, page 33.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7954&idx_id=7954&uid=ny&idx_side=-35
Ole Sorenson #12:
Source information: Telemark county, Hjartdal in Hjartdal, Parish register copy nr. I 1 (1815-1842), Birth and baptism records 1829, page 38.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7954&idx_id=7954&uid=ny&idx_side=-40
Anne Sorensdtr #24:
Source information: Telemark county, Hjartdal in Hjartdal, Parish register copy nr. I 1 (1815-1842), Birth and baptism records 1831, page 42.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7954&idx_id=7954&uid=ny&idx_side=-44
Halvor Sorenson #15:
Source information: Telemark county, Hjartdal in Hjartdal, Parish register copy nr. I 1 (1815-1842), Birth and baptism records 1832, page 48.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7954&idx_id=7954&uid=ny&idx_side=-51
Soren Sorenson #2:
Source information: Telemark county, Hjartdal in Hjartdal, Parish register copy nr. I 1 (1815-1842), Birth and baptism records 1834, page 54.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7954&idx_id=7954&uid=ny&idx_side=-57
I think the son Soren died age 25, but I don't know about the son Harald Sorenson. If he had died and she liked the name or she liked her father-in-law and wanted to keep his memory in the names??? Reasons are pure speculation.
Perhaps Hopkins can look in the bygdebøker for Berge (Margit's residence in 1827) of Haugen for Soren Haroldson?
Please?
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Kåarto
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Posted - 17/03/2012 : 17:16:18
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There was a 1. born son Harald as expected.
He married Dec. 6. 1850 and lived on farm Bagsjurt in 1865.
There is not inconceivable that she, if this is the right Margit Olsdatter, could have a 2. son Harald.
Normally (no rules without exeption), it should be a reason why she chose to baptize him Harald.
On Hem in Sauherad 1800 there were 4 Hans Hansen, in the same family (2 of them were half-brothers).
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Hopkins
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Posted - 17/03/2012 : 20:59:42
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Margit Olsdtr (1808-1848) wife of Søren Haraldson Haugan (1800-1836) had 8 children which are listed in "Hjartdalsoga Gard og Ætt Hjartdal Gvammen, Band III B", pages 67-68 within the pages for Nedre-Haugan gnr. 30.3 Bruksnamnet er Nedre-Haugan.
Margit and Søren had 7 children - Harald (1827-1886), Ola (1829-1873), Anne (1830-1885), Halvor (1832- ), Søren (1833-1858), Margit (1835-1893), Søren (1837 after his father had died-1888).
Margit is also shown with one additional child -- Ragnhild (1839- ) daughter of Kjetil Gunleikson Gjerjordet. Margit Olsdatter is indicated "Eigar 1838-42" on Nedre-Haugan.
There is no mention of a Harald Hanson or Harald Haraldson Hanson.
There are MANY farms and sub-farms in Hjartdal with names or parts of their names like Haugan or Haugen. Only LUCK helped me find the above entry. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 17/03/2012 : 23:44:48
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Hopkins, thanks for this extra special help!
I suppose that it took luck because the books are not indexed.
But I don't think the widow can be eliminated from consideration yet.
She was still on Haugen when the child Ragnhild was born and if the books are set up that way, children born on other farms might be only be recorded on those other places instead. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 17/03/2012 : 23:51:03
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Originally posted by dickfuhs
His father was Harold Hanson Midboen and was born in 1820 in Norway. Any assistance would be most appreciated.
Okay, how about this Hans Olsen birth and baptism #10:
Source information: Telemark county, Hjartdal in Hjartdal, Parish register copy nr. I 1 (1815-1842), Birth and baptism records 1821, page 11.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7954&idx_id=7954&uid=ny&idx_side=-13
His parents are Ole Hansen and Ranghild Olsdtr on Dalen ____ (something) _____ (something Midboen. The index says 1821 but the handwriting at the top of the page says "1820"
A Hans Olsen Dalen b. 11 Sept 1820 leaves Hjartdal in April 1846 for _____?, #186:
Source information: Telemark county, Hjartdal, Parish register (official) nr. I 8 (1844-1859), Migration records 1847-1852, page 331.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7799&idx_id=7799&uid=ny&idx_side=-280
Here is the same Hans Olsen Dalen inflytting to Kviteseid, #25:
Source information: Telemark county, Kviteseid, Parish register (official) nr. I 6 (1836-1858), Migration records 1843-1849, page 603.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1381&idx_id=1381&uid=ny&idx_side=-611
This may be the Hans Olsen marrying in Kviteseid, #19:
Source information: Telemark county, Kviteseid, Parish register (official) nr. I 6 (1836-1858), Marriage records 1849, page 409.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1381&idx_id=1381&uid=ny&idx_side=-420
And here is a baptism for a son Ole born to Hans Olsen and Marthe Gunnesdater, #12:
Source information: Telemark county, Kviteseid, Parish register (official) nr. I 6 (1836-1858), Birth and baptism records 1849, page 150.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1381&idx_id=1381&uid=ny&idx_side=-154
Here is Hans Olsen Bokkhuus and his wife Marthe Gunnesdtr leaving Kviteseid for America, #43-44, no kids with though:
Source information: Telemark county, Kviteseid, Parish register (official) nr. I 6 (1836-1858), Migration records 1851, page 572.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1381&idx_id=1381&uid=ny&idx_side=-578
Don't know for sure if these folks relate to Hans Olsen Dalen (suspect so) but leaving Hjartdal for America in 1848 Ole Hansen and Ragnhild + children #50-56:
Source information: Telemark county, Hjartdal, Parish register (official) nr. I 8 (1844-1859), Migration records 1848, page 332.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7799&idx_id=7799&uid=ny&idx_side=-281
Naeseth Volume III of Norwegian Immigrants to United States, page 189 identifies them as arriving New York 14 Aug 1848 from Larvik Norway on Lollard. This is the same vessel, same voyage that the future father-in-law of Harald Hanson (identified in the database linked to earlier in this topic) also came on. Nearly all the people on this voyage were from Telemark and a large proportion of these were from Hjartdal.
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Harold Haroldson Hanson (Midboen)
