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AntonH
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marilynjones
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 Posted - 05/02/2014 : 09:47:01
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/02/2014 : 09:55:28
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Early on you mentioned that Goldman Petterson's occupation was rope maker and that Bergen was a rope making center. Here are the people with repslager occupation in 1865 census. (Reipslager is apparently a more modern spelling):
Name Date of birth Place of birth Family position, marital status and occupation Residence Source
Ole Eriksen 1794* Fredriksald ug Reppeslager Berg: Kjølerbakken søndere Folketelling 1865 for 0116P Berg prestegjeld
Peder Nielsen 1826* Sverige g Repslager Østre Aker: Kampen Folketelling 1865 for 0218bP Østre Aker prestegjeld
Jørgen Pedersen 1833* Halmøe Sverge hf g Repeslagersven Tønsberg: Møllebakken 211e Folketelling 1865 for 0705P Tønsberg prestegjeld
Bartin ...min Jan Olsen 1821* Bergen u Repe Slagar Svend Bergen: 3-46 Folketelling 1865 for 1301 Bergen kjøpstad
Johan B Widing 1824* Bergen g Repeslagersven Bergen: 10-66b Folketelling 1865 for 1301 Bergen kjøpstad
Lars S Vidding 1849* Bergen u Repeslagerdreng Bergen: 10-66b Folketelling 1865 for 1301 Bergen kjøpstad
Ole Johan Helland 1851* Bergen u Repeslager Dreng Bergen: 11-175 Folketelling 1865 for 1301 Bergen kjøpstad
Hendryk Tommesen 1830* Bergen g Repeslager Sven Bergen: 11-175 Folketelling 1865 for 1301 Bergen kjøpstad
Johan Anton Noch 1850* Christiansund Søn ug Repslager lærling Christiansund: Christiebakken Folketelling 1865 for 1503B Kristiansund prestegjeld, Kristiansund kjøpstad
Johan Andersen 1842* Kvernes Prgj. Deres Søn ug Repslagersven Christiansund: Søgaden Folketelling 1865 for 1503B Kristiansund prestegjeld, Kristiansund kjøpstad
Johan Johanesen 1850* Christiania Søn ug* repslagerdreng Christiania: Telthusgaden Folketelling 1865 for 0301 Kristiania kjøpstad
No Gudmundson / Guldmanson but one Pederson who is from Sweden. Bergen parishes baptisms have been transcribed and indexed at the Digitalarkivet in two databases one with dates of 1815 to 1894. |
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marilynjones
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Posted - 05/02/2014 : 11:25:09
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Thanks very much for going to this trouble for me. I'll certainly follow up all leads and examine the Bergen parish baptisms. I've only once been to Norway, on a cruise, and what a beautiful country it is. We visited Oslo, Bergen and a few other locations, but only got as far north as Flam. In Bergen we saw the former rope manufactory and I was told then that Bergen was a rope making centre. However, as far as I know there could have been very many throughout the country! It does look as though the Gudmundson/Guldmanson surname crops up in the Sor Trondelag and Nor Trondelag areas. I realise this maybe a foolish question, but would you think a ropemaker would be making a living in these areas? I don't know enough yet about the sort of trades that people were mainly following there, but presumably where there's a fishing or seafaring industry (JMP was a mariner) there would be need for rope makers? Or were these areas mainly for farming and agriculture I wonder? I do appreciate I'm asking questions where there may be no definitive answer, but this is what's going through my head!
I would very much like to visit Norway again, but next time to visit the areas likely to have a family connection with me, if they can be established.
Thanks again. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 05/02/2014 : 11:48:00
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Another spelling of the occupation as "rebslager" finds a great many more people plying the trade --into the couple of hundreds. The greatest need for rope in the 1800s would have been sailing vessels so it would be expected that coastal areas would be where someone would be to follow the occupation.
Yes, Norway is incredibly beautiful, it makes you fall in love with it. It must have been very hard to leave such loveliness but a person must eat also. |
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marilynjones
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Posted - 05/02/2014 : 17:56:30
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Thanks very much!
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Kåarto
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Posted - 05/02/2014 : 20:26:34
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Jens Martin b. ca 1828 should have been "easy" to find in FamilySearch.
The problem is that to many are not recorded.
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marilynjones
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Posted - 05/02/2014 : 22:24:59
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Thanks - I'm going through all the leads kindly provided at the moment. Although It's proving difficult, I'm really learning a lot along the way. Reading the hand-written church records is a challenge I'll take a very long time to grasp though, if ever!
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AntonH
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Posted - 08/02/2014 : 00:02:06
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The Ancestry.com record for John Gudmundsen born in Hedmark.
Name: John Gudmundsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 24 jan 1828
Baptism Date: 16 mar 1828
Baptism Place: , Aamot, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Gudmund Pedersen
Mother: Mariane Gudmundsdr
FHL Film Number: 124278
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 08/02/2014 : 04:22:43
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Trying long shots now. Here is a brother for John Gudmudsen from Aamot Hedmark. The thought behind this is that Helge becomes Henry Pedersen in England???
Name: Helge Gudmundsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 11 apr 1825
Baptism Date: 5 jun 1825
Baptism Place: , Aamot, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Gudmund Pedersen
Mother: Mariane Gundersdr
FHL Film Number: 124278
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AntonH
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JaneC
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Posted - 08/02/2014 : 04:45:33
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So John and Helge parents Gudmund Pedersen and Mariane Gundersdr
from Family Search, a Pedigree Resource File submitted 2011 for
Jon and Helge:
Siblings
Peder Andolf Gudmundsen b 1819
Gunder Albinus Gudmundsen b 1821
Kirstine Gudmundsen b 1823
Anne Gudmundsen b 1831
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Jon Gudmundsen
birth: 24 January 1828
Nygården, Åmot, Østerdalen, Hedmark, Norway
same parents
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SY7K-RRZ
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Helge Gudmundsen
birth: 11 April 1825
Nygården, Åmot, Østerdalen, Hedmark, Norway
same parents (same person)
also from Family Search
"Wales, Glamorganshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912"
Name: Henry Petterson
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Aug 1848
Event Place: Swansea, St James, Glamorganshire, Wales
Spouse's Name: Margaret Phillips
Image of the above is available at findmypast.co.uk
"Wales Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907"
Name: Margaret Ann Peterson
Christening Date: 26 Jul 1854
Christening Place: SAINT MARY,SWANSEA,GLAMORGAN,WALES
Birth Date: 21 Jun 1850
Birthplace:
Father's Name: Henry Peterson
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Margaret
Name: Henry George Peterson
Christening Date: 26 Jul 1854
Christening Place: SAINT MARY,SWANSEA,GLAMORGAN,WALES
Birth Date: 14 Sep 1851
Father's Name: Henry Peterson
Mother's Name: Margaret
Names of Margaret Peterson and Elizabeth Peterson both appear in census Family Search database "England and Wales Census, 1861"
in Swansea, sub-district 3 - Family search doesn't have the whole family unit, just the individuals, in the transcription I'm viewing. |
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marilynjones
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Posted - 08/02/2014 : 22:45:06
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Thank you so much for your continued help - it's very much appreciated! I feel that we're getting somewhere and that this elusive man, always a shadowy person, is at last taking shape!
I do think it possible that Helge could become Henry over here. It would make life easier for him as people would be familiar with the name Henry, but not Helge, which may have sounded feminine to those not familiar with Norwegian names (just like me) and he'd probably have to repeat himself a lot. I sometimes help people with their family history as part of my job (librarian) and know that you have to keep a very open mind with research and that spellings of names, place names, ages etc are frequently not consistent from census to census and within birth, marriage and death records. Add to that the potential for a mis-transcribed record in the digitisation and ancestors can easily "get lost" in the system. Norwegian research is a first for me and the advice and support from the Forum is invaluable. I think this may well be the John we've been looking for - I'm a bit puzzled where the name "Martin" enters the story? I don't know enough about Norwegian culture and religion, but do you think Martin could possibly be a confirmation name which he then continued to include when naming his children? His first born was named John Lewis Petterson - Lewis was his wife Elizabeth's maiden name. Her father's name was John too. His other two sons were David Martin P and Paul Martin P, my ancestor, so I guess that the name was important to him for a reason. I know that Catholics here take names of Saints at confirmation, so wondered if that's a possibility? This has only just occurred to me and perhaps I'm totally wrong, but it's just one possible explanation for adding it to his name John when it doesn't appear in his baptism record.
i believe that some years ago I got Henry Petterson's marriage certificate from the Registrar's office here and that his father wasn't shown as Goldman/Gudmund or the like, but I'm going to double-check that amongst the documents I have.
I'm so pleased that, with your help, the link with Norway moves a lot closer to being confirmed.
Thanks again and best wishes.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/02/2014 : 00:51:52
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Well, I may have rained on our little parade. Here in 1865 Norwegian Census. is Anne Gudmundsdatter born 1831 in Aamodts and Helge Gudmundsen born 1825 in Aamodts now living in Nordland. That would likely mean the Helge cannot have become Henry.
NHDC 1865
And Helge probably in 1900 Census.
NHDC 1900 |
Edited by - AntonH on 09/02/2014 02:07:21 |
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