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rontappen
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 Posted - 30/04/2012 : 04:21:33
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Hello, I am posting here in hopes of some help in building my family tree. My grandfather's name is Roy Peter Johnsen, he was born in the U.S. in 1937. I am trying to find info on his father. He emigrated to the U.S. from Norway in 1921 but after hours and hours of searching the Ellis Island records, Arkivverket records, and using Ancestry.com I was only able to find limited information on him. What I know for sure is after emigrating his name was Egil Johnsen and he married Lilly (Olsen) Johnsen who was also born in Norway. I have found the deed to their house at 1955 East 37th Street , Brooklyn NY. He was born in 1903 and died in 1942, and the deed was past to his wife Lilly. Lilly was born in 1904 and died in 1984, the deed was then past to my grandfather Roy. I found a 1930 U.S. Census that lists this same address and lists Egil Johnson , Lily Johnson , and child Gert Johnson. Also the census spells their last name Johnson, it is a mis-spelling because the deeds and any other info I've found spell it Johnsen. Also I am sure that Lilly is spelt with three L's, not two. (in fact I have named my two year old child after her, Lilly)
Information I am unsure of, Roy's daughter (my mom) has told me was that his name was changed after coming to the U.S. Egil is correct for his first name but his last name was Johannesen or Johansen. My mom has some paperwork that belonged to him but only as Egil Johnsen. My mom also told me that Egil and Lilly's first child was named Christian and died from a car accident at age 5. She was unsure of the child's birthplace. Although Lilly and Egil came to the U.S. at different times my mom believed their families ( Olsen and Johannesen/Johansen ) knew each other, perhaps lived in the same area.
Well that is about all the info I have, if anyone can provide me with any additional info or where I should continue my search PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let me know. Thank you very much for your time.
Ronald D. Tappen II |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 30/04/2012 : 04:58:37
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As a starting point here is the data from the 1930 US Census that you mention in your posting.
1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Egil Johnson
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1902
Birthplace: Norway
Race: White
Home in 1930: Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Marital Status: Married
Immigration Year: 1921
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Lily Johnson
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Household Members:
Name Age
Egil Johnson 28
Lily Johnson 25
Gert Johnson 5 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/04/2012 : 05:16:22
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How sure are you on Egil's dates?
Here are 2 deaths of Egil Johnson in New York from the Italian Gen Site:
Surname Given Name Age Month Day Year Certificate
Number County Soundex
Johnson Egil 40 y Oct 16 1943 21204 Kings J525
Johnson Egilf 38 y Nov 1 1938 21986 Manhattan J525
Here is Egil's marriage to Lillie from the same web page:
Surname Given Name Month
of Marriage Day
of Marriage Year
of Marriage County Certificate
Number Soundex Link to Brides
Johansen Egil J Feb 13 1924 Kings 2335 J525
Still going by Johansen then! |
Edited by - jkmarler on 30/04/2012 05:20:08 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 30/04/2012 : 06:11:54
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I know that the 1930 Census lists Lilly as immigrating in 1924. But since she was married in Feb of 1924 perhaps she arrived in 1923? Here is a candidate from 1923. She is going to Brooklyn New York. Her father is listed as Aksel Olsen of Bergen.
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Lilly P Olsen
Arrival Date: 25 Mar 1923
Birth Year: abt 1905
Birth Location: Nrw
Birth Location Other: Bergen
Age: 18
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Bergen
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Stavangerfjord |
Edited by - AntonH on 30/04/2012 06:24:14 |
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AntonH
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AntonH
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jkmarler
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Posted - 30/04/2012 : 06:46:17
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Here is the son Gert Johnsen dying 1935, from the Italian Gen site:
Johnsen Gert J 10 y Aug 18 1935 17200 Kings J525 |
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jkmarler
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eibache
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Posted - 30/04/2012 : 08:12:19
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The confirmation record for Lilly Petrine is #26. She was born in Bergen, her baptismal record is #84.
The confirmation record for Anna Margeda is #31. She was born out of wedlock at Alstadhaug and her parents were Iver Tønder and Margrethe Mathilde Pedersen. The bapt. record is #23. it says that Margrethe Mathilde got attestation to go to Trondhjem right afterwards.
The baptismal record for Agnes Margit is #127.
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Edited by - eibache on 01/05/2012 06:53:20 |
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eibache
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Posted - 30/04/2012 : 12:56:34
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Lillys mother, Margrethe Mathelie, was born Ørland (not Sørlandet as said in the 1910 census) April 12 1872, see bapt record #45.
Her parents were Peter Olaus Petersen, Sivertsvig and Edrika Anna Andersdatter.
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jkmarler
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jwiborg
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Posted - 30/04/2012 : 20:03:13
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Lilly P. Olsen's destination in 1923 was cousin Mrs. Aslaug Archer in 211 Warren St. Brooklyn, N.Y. Aslaug's husband is listed as Erling B. Archer.
Not important for this case, but I believe Aslaug is this one:
Aslaug Glimme, born 05 Feb 1899, emigrating from Bergen on 04 Sep 1919.
Father: Nils Glimme born 05 Sep 1864, Voss, Hordaland
Aslaug G Archer
Spouse: Erlin
Birth: 05 Feb 1899, Bergen, Norway
Death: 1993, Middlesex, Connecticut
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 30/04/2012 20:22:59 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 30/04/2012 : 22:55:01
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By 1930 Aslaug lived in Queens, NY with her brother-in-law and called herself Audrey.
1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Audrey Archer
[Audley Archer]
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1899
Birthplace: Norway
Race: White
Home in 1930: Queens, Queens, New York
Marital Status: Married
Immigration Year: 1919
Relation to Head of House: Sister-in-law
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Household Members:
Name Age
Thorleif F Archer31
Elma Q Archer 32
Thorlief Archer 5
Erling Archer 26
Audrey Archer 31 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 00:10:59
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Ron,
Do you have any evidence that Egil was a seaman. Here is an arrival, maybe, into New York. He is listed on the manifest but with a line drawn through his name. He is listed as a cabin boy ? hard to read.
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Johannes Egil E??
Arrival Date: 4 May 1921
Birth Year: abt 1904
Age: 17
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Oscar Ii |
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AntonH
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 00:17:57
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I wonder if this is not Egil Grønner mentioned above born in Bergen and perhaps the same Egil Johannes also mentioned above. This Egil is working as a sailor and is mentioned for arrival several times.
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Egil Gròner
Arrival Date: 21 May 1923
Birth Year: abt 1903
Age: 20
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Christobal
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Huftero
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