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Robyn Hand
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 Posted - 30/04/2012 : 16:18:22
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| My Great Great Grand Father Karl (Carl or Charles) Frederick Hansen/Son B 1850 Norway to Hans & Merte Catherine Olsen Karl married Isabella Graham on the 20.7.1881 Sydney NSW they had 7 children one being my Great Grand Father William Hansen I would like to find where he was born in Norway and if he had siblings I did have a look on the Norwegian web site but it was to confusing any help would be gratful Thank You Robyn |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/04/2012 : 17:06:34
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A very difficult search without knowing at least the general area within Norway where Karl Fred Hansen was from. The mothers name Merte is unusual and at first glance might be useful, however using the NHDC website to search the 1865 Norwegian Census turns up only one person. Unfortunately she is only 15 years old in 1865 so not a very good candidate. However if you click on the link below you can explore the 1865 Norwegian Census and see for yourself how very many candidates you have for Karl Fred Hansen. The site is partially in English so you might find it somewhat easier to use than your first experience.
Any further information you can provide about where he may have left from in Norway would be a big help.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/folketellinger_e.aspx |
Edited by - AntonH on 30/04/2012 17:08:04 |
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jkmarler
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Robyn Hand
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Robyn Hand
Junior member
Australia
35 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2012 : 08:07:29
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Thank you I have seen this when I went looking a while ago but I can't understand any of the language. I had a virus which ate all I had saved including this what you just sent me I couldn't remember were I found it I lost all my saved topics, All I have on Karl is what was is on his marriage cerificate which could be wrong with the names it looks like Merte but could be Marte even Isabella's mothers name was Hester and should have been Esther so there could be spelling mistakes I wish I could work out how to send you the marriage cert you might be able to see it for youself.I don' t know how he got here the certificate states his Occupation as I think Mariner all I can see is ???ner he could of been on any ship age 31 in 1881
I have looked here on what records that are available but no luck I have a photo of Karl and another two men the family say its the three brothers but I can't tell them apart as he died in 1927 its a long time ago and William my great grand father died on Lord Howe Island in 1972 and I didn't even know he was alive the family never talked about anything. I have been looking for Karl's family for years my Stepfather was Thor Gauslaa he was from Oslo and he started me thinking about looking for Karl and what part of Norway he came from so all I have to go on is his name on the marriages cert. I would love to make a contact in Norway shorely his desendants would like to know what happened to him.
Do you know what this says Nordre Odalens Prgj.? it would help to understand what is is saying. Would you know where I could get help to find the family of Karl Frederick Hansen.
Thank you Robyn
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jkmarler
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 09:34:38
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There is a blue bar at the bottom of the page that allows the selection of English or Norwegian. I've "redone" in English:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5&filnamn=f60418&gardpostnr=368&personpostnr=2567&merk=2567#ovre
Since it tells you where Karl is born, you can then search for the records for that place and find his baptism. See the blue bar running across the top of the page, click on digitized parish records and it will take you to a search engine to find the register. Select English at bar at top. Because the names of the parishes can be altered through time, input the county, in this case Hedmark and find the closest name to Nordre Odal in the list to the right of the search engine, selecting the ones which appear to have the correct year date. Click on that one. The next window opens and gives an exact list of the records. Basically you want to look at baptism/births for 1850. Click the year you want and the images of the handwritten registers appear. You may enlarge the size and click thru until you find Karl's baptism. The images are only in Norwegian.
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Robyn Hand
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 09:55:20
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| Robin, the column headings in the second post are in English! |
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Kċarto
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 12:48:18
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A possibility from Oslo:
#67, Carl Frederik Hansen
Birth: 08 Jan 1850
Christening: 09 Jun 1850, Garnison Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Parents: National soldier Hans Thoresen & Marthe Cathrine Olsdr
Source: Oslo county, Garnisonsmenigheten, Parish register (official) nr. 8 (1842-1859), Birth and baptism records 1850, page 140.
Siblings:
Ole Theodor Hansen
Birth: 07 Jun 1845
Christening: 13 Jul 1845, Garnison Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Parents: Hans Thoresen & Marthe Cathrine Olsdr
Hansine Bernhardine Hansdatter
Birth: 11 May 1848
Christening: 09 Jul 1848, Garnison Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Parents: Hans Thoresen & Marthe Cathrine Olsdr
Hilda Marie Hansdatter
Birth: 22 Sep 1852
Christening: 28 Mar 1853, Garnison Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Parents: Hans Thoresen & Marthe Cathrine Olsdr
Peter Bernhard Hansen
Birth: 08 Nov 1857
Christening: 10 Jan 1858, Garnison Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Parents: Hans Thoresen & Marthe Cathrine Olsdr
Marricage record #56:
Groom's Name: Hans Thoresen
Groom's Age: 27
Birthplace: Ullensager
Bride's Name: Marthe Cathrine Olsdr
Bride's Age: 26
Birthplace: Eidsvold
Marriage Date: 01 Nov 1844
Marriage Place: Garnison Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Groom's Father's Name: Thorer Nielsen
Bride's Father's Name: Ole Pedersen
Source: Oslo county, Garnisonsmenigheten, Parish register (official) nr. 8 (1842-1859), Marriage records 1844, page 338.
Census-1865
Hans Thoresen lumper married 50 m Ullensager
Mathea Thoresen wife married 49 f Eidsvold
Carl Frederik Thoresen son 16 m Christiania
Hildur Thoresen daughter 14 f Christiania
Petter Thoresen son 9 m Christiania
Hakon Carl Hansen fosterchild 5 m Christiania
Census-1875
Hans Thoresen m worker 1817 Ullensaker
Marthe Thoresen f wife 1818 Eidsvold
Petter Bernhard Hansen m son sailor 1857 Kristiania
Carl Hakon Hansen m son single 1860 Kristiania
Interesting that the brother Peter is a sailor...
Jan Peter |
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Hopkins
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Robyn Hand
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 14:18:07
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My god this is great I had no idea you could do this Really is this my 2xgreat grand father and family because this is fantastic I had given up for ever finding him I put it into the too hard basket. Why is his fathers name not Hansen? Thanks to the internet, what can I do now to find out where they lived and if there is any family tracing their tree. Kind regards Robyn
Birth: 08 Jan 1850
Christening: 09 Jun 1850, Garnison Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Parents: National soldier Hans Thoresen & Marthe Cathrine Olsdr
Source: Oslo county, Garnisonsmenigheten, Parish register (official) nr. 8 (1842-1859), Birth and baptism records 1850, page 140.
Siblings:
Ole Theodor Hansen
Birth: 07 Jun 1845
Christening: 13 Jul 1845, Garnison Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Parents: Hans Thoresen & Marthe Cathrine Olsdr
Hansine Bernhardine Hansdatter
Birth: 11 May 1848
Christening: 09 Jul 1848, Garnison Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Parents: Hans Thoresen & Marthe Cathrine Olsdr
Hilda Marie Hansdatter
Birth: 22 Sep 1852
Christening: 28 Mar 1853, Garnison Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Parents: Hans Thoresen & Marthe Cathrine Olsdr
Peter Bernhard Hansen
Birth: 08 Nov 1857
Christening: 10 Jan 1858, Garnison Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Parents: Hans Thoresen & Marthe Cathrine Olsdr
Marricage record #56:
Groom's Name: Hans Thoresen
Groom's Age: 27
Birthplace: Ullensager
Bride's Name: Marthe Cathrine Olsdr
Bride's Age: 26
Birthplace: Eidsvold
Marriage Date: 01 Nov 1844
Marriage Place: Garnison Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Groom's Father's Name: Thorer Nielsen
Bride's Father's Name: Ole Pedersen
Source: Oslo county, Garnisonsmenigheten, Parish register (official) nr. 8 (1842-1859), Marriage records 1844, page 338.
Census-1865
Hans Thoresen lumper married 50 m Ullensager
Mathea Thoresen wife married 49 f Eidsvold
Carl Frederik Thoresen son 16 m Christiania
Hildur Thoresen daughter 14 f Christiania
Petter Thoresen son 9 m Christiania
Hakon Carl Hansen fosterchild 5 m Christiania
Census-1875
Hans Thoresen m worker 1817 Ullensaker
Marthe Thoresen f wife 1818 Eidsvold
Petter Bernhard Hansen m son sailor 1857 Kristiania
Carl Hakon Hansen m son single 1860 Kristiania
Interesting that the brother Peter is a sailor...
Jan Peter
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Robyn Hand
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 14:53:01
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Thank you very much I could never have worked this out but that eliminates him Carl Frederick Hansen was his name on the mariage cert
Regards Robyn
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Originally posted by Kċarto
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Originally posted by Robyn Hand
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Just quickly looking for those whose given name starts with Karl, whose last name begins with Hans and who were born in 1850 (no +/- years, exact year) found 14 candidates all over Norway. This one looks the most reasonable, but would need to be thoroughly vetted:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=10&filnamn=f60418&gardpostnr=368&personpostnr=2567&merk=2567#ovre
This Karl/Carl b. Feb. 10. 1850 was bap.Carl August , see on top page #30
Do you know when ca Carl Frederic em.?
Kċre
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jwiborg
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 15:19:54
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I haven't found his emigration record, but there is a good chance that Carl Frederik Hansen, born 08 Jan 1850 in Oslo, Norway is your GGGF.
His parents lived in Strandgata 14, Oslo in census-1875. This is in the heart of Oslo city centre, next to the new Oslo Opera Building.
Census-1900 says that the house has burned down, and that there is a (different) family living in the back yard.
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Robyn Hand
Junior member
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 15:44:22
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My goodness this is fantastic you are very kind to do all this not, in my worldless dreams would have thought that I would know where they lived I can't wait to tell my cousin she has been looking for years and had given up trying to find out, are you sure that this is Karl and his family.
I would like to find the emigration for him but his father was a mariner and I believe that Karl was too, but he ended up in a business in Riverstone NSW selling timber for the Railway I can only track him down in 1879 over a fist fight in a hotel in Riverstone he was charged with stabbing a man he did get of the charge though so he must of been here about 1878 and before. Regards Robyn
I haven't found his emigration record, but there is a good chance that Carl Frederik Hansen, born 08 Jan 1850 in Oslo, Norway is your GGGF.
His parents lived in Strandgata 14, Oslo in census-1875. This is in the heart of Oslo city centre, next to the new Oslo Opera Building.
Census-1900 says that the house has burned down, and that there is a (different) family living in the back yard.
Jan Peter
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jwiborg
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 16:12:40
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You had a question why his fathers name was not Hansen. This story about Norwegian naming practices should give you the answer.
And yes, there are many clues that indicate that this is the right person, but there are still a slight chance that he is not your guy...
 His name is Carl Frederik Hansen
He is born in 1850
His father's first name is Hans
His mother's full name is Marthe Cathrine Olsdr (ie Olsdatter / Olsen)
He have two brothers; Ole Theodor born 1845 and Peter Bernhard born 1857.
His brother Peter is a sailor. (Profession are often repeated within the family)
There are no names of his brothers from the photo?
What was the names of his 7 children? One was William. Maybe some of them were named from his family back home?
Carl Frederik had the following siblings:
Ole Theodor
Hansine Bernhardine
Hilda Marie
Peter Bernhard
Carl Hakon (adopted)
Hans Toresen
Birth: 26 Sep 1817
Christening: 05 Oct 1817, Ullensaker, Akershus, Norway
Parents: Thorer Nielsen & Inge Hansdr
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Edited by - jwiborg on 01/05/2012 16:26:31 |
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