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Robyn Hand
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Australia
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 Posted - 01/05/2012 : 16:49:29
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Thank you for this its great, I will read the name change later. I think you have fround Carl for sure. There is no names on the photo but the names that go around the family are Edward and Pet and when you see the names of his siblings Theoder here in Auss is short for Edward and Pet has to be Petter and the middle name of Peter is Bernard will that has convinced me, you see Carl and Isabella's 2nd son was Charles Bernard Hansen B 1887 D 1889 there other Charles Bernard Hanson 2nd one born 1889 D WW1 Villers 1918, Their 2nd daughter Frances Katherine.
William Henry Hanson B 20.5.1882 Redfern Sydney named after Isa side
Frances Hester Hanson B 1883 Syd. middle name after Isabella's mother
Isabella Kathrine Hansen B 1887 Syd. Now I know middle name Carl side
Charles Bernard Hansen named after Carl and his brother
Charles
Matthew Frances Hansen B 6.8.1891 Riverstone
Bethia Francis Woolcott Hansen B 1893 Riverstone
I can't believe you have done all this thank you again. I have a lot to look up and to find on the net, I will have a look on Google Earth and try and build up a story like I have done for Isabella, I have been on rootschat looking and I left a message on there and I now have a 3rd cousin in Momeen Donegal Ireland that lives 8 kilometres from where Isabella was born Bernerdette is her name, thanks to the net I now have found all of Isabella's siblings that have gone to Canada and Wheeling Ohio USA and two girls came here one being my 2xgreat Grand mother Isabella Graham in 1878I would like to find the ship he came over here in now I have a birth date for sure thank you Robyn
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Originally posted by jwiborg
You had a question why his fathers name was not Hansen. This story about Norwegian naming practices should give you the answer.
And yes, there are many clues that indicate that this is the right person, but there are still a slight chance that he is not your guy...
His name is Carl Frederik Hansen
He is born in 1850
His father's first name is Hans
His mother's full name is Marthe Cathrine Olsdr (ie Olsdatter / Olsen)
He have two brothers; Ole Theodor born 1845 and Peter Bernhard born 1857.
His brother Peter is a sailor. (Profession are often repeated within the family)
There are no names of his brothers from the photo?
What was the names of his 7 children? One was William. Maybe some of them were named from his family back home?
Carl Frederik had the following siblings:
Ole Theodor
Hansine Bernhardine
Hilda Marie
Peter Bernhard
Carl Hakon (adopted)
Hans Toresen
Birth: 26 Sep 1817
Christening: 05 Oct 1817, Ullensaker, Akershus, Norway
Parents: Thorer Nielsen & Inge Hansdr
Jan Peter
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jwiborg
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Norway
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 17:05:29
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Bernard is a good clue...
A story about Norsewood, New Zealand:
In 1872 and 1873, the barque "Høvding" ("Chieftain") sailed from Christiania (Oslo) with two shiploads of Norwegian emigrants. Destination was New Zealand.
"When they finally arrived, and saw the wilderness, there were many who cried," wrote travel journalist Ludvig Saxe 40 years later, after his visit to Norsewood.
The wilderness was "Seventy Mile Bush", a virgin forest of great trees that stood in the way for the European settlers in New Zealand.
The country needed workers who could clear the forest and open up for settlement. And where could capable immigrants for such work be found?
The authorities looked towards Scandinavia. Norwegians and other Scandinavians received free travel to New Zealand and a promise for land.
Around 750 Norwegian emigrants joined the "Høvding" on its voyage to the unknown country on the other side of the world.
They had no return ticket, and they were the poorest of the poor. Preferably they would have gone to America, but they could not afford the Ticket...
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 02/05/2012 : 00:23:51
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Trying to track down any of Karl Frederiks family who stayed in Norway. His sister Hilda got married in 1872. Below in her family until 1910. She got atleast 8 children; Thea Marie (1874), Herman F. Charles (1875), Borghild (1882), Dagfin (1885), Hildur (1889), Hans (1891), Arthur (1894) and Helene (1895).
Marriage record #16, 1872:
Groom's Name: Bachelor, sergeant Hans Lauritz Myhre
Groom's Birthplace: Skibtvedt, Østfold.
Groom's Residence: Xania (Oslo)
Groom's Age: 23
Bride's Name: Hilda Marie Thoresen
Bride's Age: 20
Bride's Birthplace: Xania (Oslo)
Marriage Date: 05 Jul 1872
Marriage Place: Garnison Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Groom's Father's Name: Matthis Larsen
Bride's Father's Name: Hans Thoresen
Source: Oslo county, Garnisonsmenigheten, Parish register (official) nr. 11 (1870-1880), Marriage records 1872, page 179.
Census-1875 for Prindsensgade 6, Oslo:
Hans Lauritz Myhre m Sergeant 1849 Skibtvet
Hilda Marie Myhre f wife 1852 Kristiania
Thea Marie Myhre f daughter 03.MAR.1874 Kristiania
Herman Ferdinand Charles Myhre m son 16.NOV.1875 Kristiania
Census-1900, Nordli farm in Bærum, Akershus:
Lauritz Myhre m 1849 Skibtvedt
Hilda Myhre f 1852 Kristiania
Dagfin Myhre m son 1885 Kristiania
Hans Myhre m son 1891 Kristiania
Arthur Myhre m son 1894 Kristiania
Hildur Myhre f daughter 1889 Kristiania
Helene Myhre f daughter 1895 Kristiania
Borghild Myhre f daughter 1882 Kristiania
Aase Øderud f granddaughter (daughter's daughter) 1895 Kristiania
Census-1910, "Blomsterhøi" in Bærum, Akershus:
001 Laurtz!! Myhre 26.APR.1849 Smålenene (Skibtvedt, Østfold)
002 Hilda Myhre 23.SEP.1852 Kristiania, wife
003 Artur Myhre 14.JAN.1894 Kristiania, son, telegraph errand boy
004 Hildur Myhre 28.AUG.1889 Kristiania, daughter, depot-worker
005 Helene Myhre 20.NOV.1895 Kristiania, daughter, schoolgirl
006 Margit Berge 25.JUN.1898 Kristiania, fosterchild
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 02/05/2012 : 11:01:27
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Exellent work Jan Peter.
I spend some time looking after him.
With several first mames and middle names that matc the chance it is the wrong Carl Fredrik is almost zero.
Reg his "lost" em. record:
Perhaps he as other Norwegians jumped off a ship in Australia.
A travel to Australia was costly, in the 1850s a travel to America cost all you could save in 2-3 years of work for a laborer.
Kåre
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Robyn Hand
Junior member
Australia
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Posted - 02/05/2012 : 15:59:00
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I can't thank you enough Jan Peter you have done heaps for me I could not understand he language I cna't believe all these years I have been looking for Carl and in 24 hours you all have found him thank you very much. I would like to ask one more question is it possible to find his brothers Thoedore and Petter inn the census because there is a story that the one brother went to Melbourne and the other went to NZ I now have names to go hunting for them as long as they are over here and not in Norway
What do you mean by this. Reg his "lost" em. record:
thank you I have something to go on. Regards Robyn
Perhaps he as other Norwegians jumped off a ship in Australia.
A travel to Australia was costly, in the 1850s a travel to America cost all you could save in 2-3 years of work for a laborer.
Kåre
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Robyn Hand
Junior member
Australia
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Posted - 02/05/2012 : 16:02:39
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My goodness I didn't expect this its terrific thank you
I have looked at the certificates and thanks for putting it into English it is very hard to read.
Thanks again Robyn
Trying to track down any of Karl Frederiks family who stayed in Norway. His sister Hilda got married in 1872. Below in her family until 1910. She got at least 8 children; Thea Marie (1874), Herman F. Charles (1875), Borghild (1882), Dagfin (1885), Hildur (1889), Hans (1891), Arthur (1894) and Helene (1895).
Marriage record #16, 1872:
Groom's Name: Bachelor, sergeant Hans Lauritz Myhre
Groom's Birthplace: Skibtvedt, Østfold.
Groom's Residence: Xania (Oslo)
Groom's Age: 23
Bride's Name: Hilda Marie Thoresen
Bride's Age: 20
Bride's Birthplace: Xania (Oslo)
Marriage Date: 05 Jul 1872
Marriage Place: Garnison Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Groom's Father's Name: Matthis Larsen
Bride's Father's Name: Hans Thoresen
Source: Oslo county, Garnisonsmenigheten, Parish register (official) nr. 11 (1870-1880), Marriage records 1872, page 179.
Census-1875 for Prindsensgade 6, Oslo:
Hans Lauritz Myhre m Sergeant 1849 Skibtvet
Hilda Marie Myhre f wife 1852 Kristiania
Thea Marie Myhre f daughter 03.MAR.1874 Kristiania
Herman Ferdinand Charles Myhre m son 16.NOV.1875 Kristiania
Census-1900, Nordli farm in Bærum, Akershus:
Lauritz Myhre m 1849 Skibtvedt
Hilda Myhre f 1852 Kristiania
Dagfin Myhre m son 1885 Kristiania
Hans Myhre m son 1891 Kristiania
Arthur Myhre m son 1894 Kristiania
Hildur Myhre f daughter 1889 Kristiania
Helene Myhre f daughter 1895 Kristiania
Borghild Myhre f daughter 1882 Kristiania
Aase Øderud f granddaughter (daughter's daughter) 1895 Kristiania
Census-1910, "Blomsterhøi" in Bærum, Akershus:
001 Laurtz!! Myhre 26.APR.1849 Smålenene (Skibtvedt, Østfold)
002 Hilda Myhre 23.SEP.1852 Kristiania, wife
003 Artur Myhre 14.JAN.1894 Kristiania, son, telegraph errand boy
004 Hildur Myhre 28.AUG.1889 Kristiania, daughter, depot-worker
005 Helene Myhre 20.NOV.1895 Kristiania, daughter, schoolgirl
006 Margit Berge 25.JUN.1898 Kristiania, fosterchild
Jan Peter
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Robyn Hand
Junior member
Australia
35 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2012 : 16:13:57
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This is a great story I will start to look in to it as Carl might have come to Australia from NZ another clue. I need to know about his brothers where did they came here too? or stay in Norway, why would the boys leave Oslo was there no work around 1870-80's I have looked at the photo again and the 3 men are aged about 60-70's so some time they must have been together I do not think that they would have gone all the way back to Oslo so the picture must have been taken here in Austrlia. Now I can name the men in the photo by their age Carl being the eldest then Theo and Petter.
I have seen many years ago a lady in Melbourne was looking on one of the family sites asking for any thing about Merte Catherine Olsen I have lost the info so that is where I'm starting to look.
Regards Robyn
Bernard is a good clue...
A story about Norsewood, New Zealand:
In 1872 and 1873, the barque "Høvding" ("Chieftain") sailed from Christiania (Oslo) with two shiploads of Norwegian emigrants. Destination was New Zealand.
"When they finally arrived, and saw the wilderness, there were many who cried," wrote travel journalist Ludvig Saxe 40 years later, after his visit to Norsewood.
The wilderness was "Seventy Mile Bush", a virgin forest of great trees that stood in the way for the European settlers in New Zealand.
The country needed workers who could clear the forest and open up for settlement. And where could capable immigrants for such work be found?
The authorities looked towards Scandinavia. Norwegians and other Scandinavians received free travel to New Zealand and a promise for land.
Around 750 Norwegian emigrants joined the "Høvding" on its voyage to the unknown country on the other side of the world.
They had no return ticket, and they were the poorest of the poor. Preferably they would have gone to America, but they could not afford the Ticket...
Jan Peter
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/05/2012 : 16:55:07
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Originally posted by Robyn Hand
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What do you mean by this. Reg his "lost" em. record:
No em. record found (so fare) on him leaving Oslo.
Not uncommon, not all were recorded, and Oslo consist of many parish´s, link
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 02/05/2012 : 17:07:33
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Regarding your question about the brothers, Ancestry.com has records of a Peter Hansen working as a sailor on ships traveling from various ports to Sidney. Here is one of about 10 records for the same man.
New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922
Name: Peter Hansen
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Age: 26
Port of Departure: Levuka, Fiji
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 25 May 1883
Vessel Name: Cintra
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 02/05/2012 : 17:58:10
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Thank Kåre! I agree that there are many clues which points towards this person now, the name Bernard being one extra to add to the list.
Also that his brothers was Edward and Pet. Ted, which are short for Edward, could come from Theodor.
I have also been looking for Carl Frederik in the emigration records, with focus on Emigrants from Oslo 1867-1930 old. But haven't found any...
Robyn: Ole Theodor was the oldest, he is born in 1845.
Regarding the picture: Let's say that the youngest is 60 y.o. in the picture. Then it should be like this:
The picture is taken in 1917.
Peter Bernhard Hansen, 60 y.o.
Carl Frederik Hansen, 67 y.o.
Ole Theodor Hansen, 72 y.o.
Is this the topic you were looking for?
One Dianne Bates is looking for an Edward Hanson, born about 1848 in Moss, County Ostfold, Norway.
Not sure where she got the city Moss from, but it looks like this could be Ole Theodor, born 1845?
One Ole Theodor Hansen emigrates from Oslo on April 29th, 1870.
But... and there are maybe too many but's here:
He is not a sailor, but a smith.
He is 22, but should have been 25 in 1870
His residence is Næs, Romerike... Not Oslo (Kristiania)
He is going to Chicago, America. (He could have continued to Australia later though, when he found out that his brothers went to Australia)
1872 Høvding passenger list.
1873 Høvding passenger list.
lyndal40: This Peter Hansen is a good clue!
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jwiborg
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Norway
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Posted - 02/05/2012 : 19:46:27
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Carl Fredrik's nephew; Herman Ferdinand Myhre, 24 (ocupation: Smith) emigrated to Minnesota on July 20th, 1900
I would assume he arrived New York on August 1st (as E. E. Lobeck and others above him did), but haven't found his arrival record. Neither any other trace of him in the US.
EDIT: On second thought, a better candidate for his arrival would be on the ship "LAKE CHAMPLAIN", arriving Quebec, Canada on 04 AUG 1900.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/05/2012 : 22:36:52
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Jan Peter, I think your second thought is probably correct and here is a possibility for Herman Myhre. With allowances for the spelling, this is about the only good candidate on that ship.
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Howam Mylan
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Date of Arrival: 4 Aug 1900
Vessel: Lake Champlain
Search Ship Database:
Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2012 : 22:59:22
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Jan Peter, I think your second thought is probably correct and here is a possibility for Herman Myhre. With allowances for the spelling, this is about the only good candidate on that ship.
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Howam Mylan
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Date of Arrival: 4 Aug 1900
Vessel: Lake Champlain
Search Ship Database:
Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
You're right..., I think it must be this one, going to Minneapolis.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 02/05/2012 : 23:39:34
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Here is another candidate for one of the brothers, Ole Theodore. Interesting that he arrived in 1870 as well.
New South Wales, Australia, Certificates of Naturalization, 1849-1903
Name: Ole Theodor Hansen
Date of Naturalization: 1 Oct 1887
Date of Arrival: 1870
BirthLocation: Christiannia in Norway
Birth Year: abt 1845
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 02/05/2012 : 23:48:07
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Here is an arrival for a Frederick Hansen, age is a little off for arrival in 1870. Also a crewman on this ship.
New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922
Name: Fredrick Hansen
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Age: 23
Port of Departure: Richmond River
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 30 Apr 1870
Vessel Name: Jessie Kelly
Origin Location: Norway |
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Norway Karl Fred Hansen & Merte Catherine Olsen
