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hp011b5562_2
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 Posted - 11/05/2012 : 12:59:21
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| i have been searching for my families company , it was a timber buisiness in Onso, but i am led to believe that when Fredrickstad was expanding there was an amalgamation of the timber companies , ours being one of them , could there be some sort of record of this , i would then be able to find it , they were Graesvig dampsag and hovleri |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/05/2012 : 13:30:04
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Your reference to picture of Fredrikstad Dampsag og Høvleri,
and head of the Pedersen family Hans Peter foreman at the saw mill.
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Edited by - eibache on 11/05/2012 20:08:12 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 11/05/2012 : 23:07:30
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and head of the Pedersen family Hans Peter foreman at the saw mill.
Living on farm Græsvig* in 1865.
I believe he worked for merchant, shipowner and sawmill owner Julius (Nicolai) Jacobsen.
Jacobsen bought land of farm Græsvig in Onsø and build two "Dampsag" Steam powered sawmills there in 1857 and a "Damphøvleri" Steam powererd planner in 1863 and build several more later.
"Grosserer" Merchant Julius Jacobsen lived in Glemmen at Fredrikstad in 1865
Fredrikstad is still called "Plankebyen" Wooden town.
Græsvig is todays Gressvik
Onso/Onsø is todays Onsøy
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Edited by - Kåarto on 12/05/2012 10:09:51 |
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hp011b5562_2
Junior member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/05/2012 : 14:18:42
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| Thank you , Thank you Kare, i have been looking for them for years, my family here in Scotland will be delighted i will tell them all, Harold Pederson |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 13/05/2012 : 19:23:37
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You are welcome.
Onsøy 1875
Your family on farm Græsvig (J.Jacobsen and Co´s workers housing). Children two sons and 4 daughters, youngest daughter Laura b. 1871.
Last paragraph. Note: Farmowner Forman Pedersen, link
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Kåarto
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Posted - 13/05/2012 : 20:04:15
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Græsvik 1900.
Hans Petter Pedersen still foreman at the saw mill living on farm Græsvik.
Also his wife Karoline lived, see here
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hp011b5562_2
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Posted - 17/05/2012 : 15:37:11
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| I traced my family in Norway with the help of the Ostfold society,and they sent me the list of the pedersons all living in frederickstad, and the names in the family can all be found in our family to-day , but you always have a small doubt if its the right family or not , my grandfathers name is Olaf and in the census 1865 the Olaf is the right DOB, but in his marriage certificate its written that his mother was Karoline Hegglan, i am assuming that it was a miss spelling due to the translation, his father was also described as a commision agent , now could that be considered as a sawmill foreman , i would suppose so as he would be selling something , any ideas |
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eibache
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Posted - 17/05/2012 : 21:03:40
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my grandfathers name is Olaf and in the census 1865 the Olaf is the right DOB
- if your reference is the Olaf Pedersen listed as 9 years old in the 1865 census for the farm Græsvig in Onsøy parish I see some discrepancies.
Olaf was born Febr 17 1857 in Fredrikshald (= Halden) and baptized Olaf Alexander Thorvaldsen on March 1 1857, #13. His parents are listed as Hans Petter Thorvaldsen and Caroline Elisabeth née Heggeland.
He was confirmated March 26 1871, see #1 - here he is listed as Olaf Alexander Pedersen, Græsvig and his parents are Hans Pedersen and Karoline Elisabet Hægland. His date of birth, baptismal date and being born in Fredrikshald is confirmed.
His parents, Hans Petter Thorvaldsen and Caroline Elisabeth Heggeland were married Oct 15 1849, see #42.
Olafs siblings, Petronelle Kirstine and Axel Thomas were born May 26 1850 and May 29 1852 respectively, see #50 and #58.
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eibache
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Posted - 17/05/2012 : 22:28:06
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Hans Peter Pedersen was born Oct 22 1823, see #2. He was born out of wedlock, his mother being Ellen Rasmusdatter from Fredrikstad and the father was Peder Torgaldsen (in the confirmation record the fathers last name is given as Thorvaldsen).
Peder Torvaldsen (32 years old) and Ellen Rasmusdatter (22 years old) were married June 28 1825, see #18.
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eibache
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Posted - 17/05/2012 : 22:40:11
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Caroline Elisabeth (Olsdatter) Heggeland was born May 25 1827, see #1 on right page. Her parents were shoemaker Ole Heggeland and Ellen Eriksdatter, Torsnæsbakken.
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hp011b5562_2
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Posted - 18/05/2012 : 16:32:56
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When i started looking for my ancestors , i knew they came from Fredrickstad and we had communication with our Norwegian family all through the war and up until the 1950s through a relation called John Johansen, who was brought up by my Great grandfather Hans peder pederson , we were told they had a timber merchants , i also have my grandfathers wedding certificate , thats where i got his age and both his parents names
but my doubt about the family that i have was that Caroline was Hegglan and not Heggland, but as i say i thought it would be a translation mistake , and when the Ostfold society could not find a Hegglan they came up with the family that i thought was mine , all the names Harald, Peter, Hans , Olaf are all names of my brothers, even a brother Alexander, my great grandfather is indeed Hans Peder Pederson, now i am confused if its the correct family or not, can you help |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 18/05/2012 : 23:30:32
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Hi.
I think Einar is right.
Hegglan in Norway was to my knowledge Hægland, Heggeland.
Hegg means Bird cherry, Heggeland ( Bird cherry land)
I doubt a farmname ended on ....lan in Norway but the ending ....land was common
I think the name was changed to Hegglan in UK.
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eibache
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Posted - 19/05/2012 : 00:04:46
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my great grandfather is indeed Hans Peder Pederson, now i am confused if its the correct family or not, can you help
- working on the proof, it will take some time to find when and why the change from Thorvaldsen to Pedersen. I think we will succeed in proving that you have the right family here, i. e. Hans Peder Pederson = Hans Petter Pedersen/Hans Petter Thorvaldsen and Karoline Hegglan = Caroline Elisabeth Heggeland. |
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eibache
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eibache
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Posted - 19/05/2012 : 15:04:46
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Hans Peter Pedersen (Thorvaldsen) had a brother
Torvald Torvaldsen, born March 7 1826, see #40.
Their father was now a tailor.
Hans Peters brother Niels was the 4th child, born Oct 8 1830, see #22.
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hp011b5562_2
Junior member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28/05/2012 : 11:17:23
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| my grandfather Olaf became a Master shipman in the merchant service , is there some way of tracing him at this point , he was married in Edinburgh Scotland when he was 31, the year 1888, maybe they will have records to tell me exactly his full name , parents etc. |
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