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oih2
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Posted - 04/06/2012 :  21:59:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In the death protocols concerning his wife Martha in Norway it says that she leave behind a husband in the US, Olaf Olsen, he is a photograph.

She was named Olava Emilie Olsen, have also seen Christiansdtr., so the Jacobson woman seems very interesting.

Yes, I have a pretty good picture of the families in Pennsylvania.

Ragna died in 1920 in Punxsutawney, she is buried at the Circle Hill cem. ,she was married to Benjamin Christofferson, they ha no children. For Ragna i have the obituary.
Mina was married to Axel Christofferson, they had 7 children. Later she married Olaf Houg and lived in Pittsburg. I do not have day of death for Mina or her daughter Sigrid, both died in the 30ies.
The men worked in the mines I think, Axel was a driller.

This women are sisters to my ggmother



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AntonH
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Posted - 04/06/2012 :  22:32:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In the NDSU listing of marriages, one does pop out to me. The spelling of her name is not exact but it does come close. And the date is interesting in combination with the 1880 Census listing.

Jacob Nilson Gord Olevia Olson August 9, 1884 A00349

http://library.ndsu.edu/db/marriage/results

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AntonH
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Posted - 04/06/2012 :  22:47:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Probably can eliminate the above marriage. In the 1900 Census are Jacob Gaard and Olive Gaard. The data of birth and immigration would elimanate Olive Gaard nee Olsen.

1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Olive Gaard
Age: 38
Birth Date: Oct 1861
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1900: Fargo Ward 6, Cass, North Dakota
[Cass]
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1880
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Jacob Gaard
Marriage Year: 1885
Years Married: 15
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jkmarler
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Posted - 04/06/2012 :  23:00:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Olava Amalia Olson Jacobson was born 26 Jan 1854 in Haugesund and she died in Devils Lake, North Dakota in June 1909. She is buried in the Norway Lutheran church cemetery in Pelican Township, Ramsey County, North Dakota. Her husband's name is B. Theodore Gustav Jacobson and he was born in1848 and died in 1907.

In order to be included in the Federation club pioneer mothers record base--this Olava had to be in North Dakota before statehood (2 Nov 1889) and had to be married or a Mom.

So her birthdate in records here is not an excellent match to your gal.

Edited by - jkmarler on 04/06/2012 23:13:27
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jkmarler
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Posted - 04/06/2012 :  23:10:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by oih2

In the death protocols concerning his wife Martha in Norway it says that she leave behind a husband in the US, Olaf Olsen, he is a photograph....

Ragna died in 1920 in Punxsutawney, she is buried at the Circle Hill cem. ,she was married to Benjamin Christofferson, they ha no children. For Ragna i have the obituary.



1. So Christian also may be known as Olaf Olsen and he was a photographer? And when did Marthe die?

2. Who were named as Ragna's survivors in her obituary? Is there a funeral home mentioned?

Edited by - jkmarler on 05/06/2012 01:41:50
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oih2
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Posted - 05/06/2012 :  05:35:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, it is possible that he could have used Olaf, although I have never seen other than Christian in use. Marthe died in 1893.
When a daughter babtize a child in 1890 Marthe is a widow, so obviously the provider of information at her death did not have her history correct.

The obits for Minas husband and a child they lost at the age of 12 does not have any funeral home either.

Besides her husband a sister in Church street is mentioned, that would be Vilhelmine ( Mina ) and a sister in Christiania, that must be Anna as my g grandmother lived in Trondheim and the 3 other sisters lived in the US.
There are also 2 brothers not mentioned.

No funeral home mentioned.


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jkmarler
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Posted - 05/06/2012 :  06:08:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I suppose you've already found these folks at www.findagrave.com. But here is Mina and daughter Sophie is there also. Some unfortunate disinformation is the proposed marriage between Ragna and her nephew who had the same name as her husband.:

www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=christofferson&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=40&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=58140842&df=all&" target="_blank">http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=christofferson&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=40&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=58140842&df=all&

In Ragna's listing is the obit and depending on whether or not the paper was published daily, there is likely an updated obit for her telling about the service information so that people would be informed who wanted to go. If the paper was a weekly there still might be a story about the service, name of the church and funeral home--each place with more or the same information.

If there is a sexton (record keeper or caretaker) for the cemetery you might be able to get exact dates of death or burial for the others who only have years listed.

Did the Kristoffersen brothers have 2 other brothers named Edward and Karl who lived in Minnesota? I only ask as there is an Olava Olson who married Edward in the Minnesota county marriage database at www.familysearch.org. Karl was a witness. It would be funny if all the girls stateside were married to Kristoffersens!

If Kristian was a photographer you might want to search the 1880 Norwegians in America census transcriptions at the Digitalarkivet. Searching occupation in this database is much easier and more effective than in other database of 1880 census listings:

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=8&filnamn=MINN1880&medbilete=&sokpostnr=31#a0

Kristian could be dead by 1890 or still alive in 1893, doesn't really narrow the choices down much.

Edited by - jkmarler on 05/06/2012 22:52:35
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oih2
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Posted - 05/06/2012 :  11:12:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
United States Census, 1930 for Olaf Haug

Name: Olaf Haug
Event: Census
Event Date: 1930
Event Place: Pittsburgh (Districts 251-488), Allegheny, Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Age: 54
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Birthplace: Norway
Estimated Birth Year: 1876
Immigration Year: 1900
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Enumeration District Number: 0372
Family Number: 144
Sheet Number and Letter: 13A
Line Number: 39
NARA Publication: T626, roll 1989
Film Number: 2341723
Digital Folder Number: 4661285
Image Number: 00275
Household Gender Age
Olaf Haug M 54
Spouse Teena Haug F 59
Segred Christofferson F 27
Ben Christofferson M 75

This is Mina in the 1930-census. Olaf Haug being her husband, Sigrid her daughter and Ben, Ragnas husband.
A couple of years back I wrote a letter to the Circle Hill cem. asking for information, I never got an answer.
One of the brothers Carl, ended up in Sweden and later he moved to Trondheim to. The other one Olaf Christian I have as confirmed in 1877 in Oslo, after that I have no idea.
Yes, I have been looking in to the 1880 census from time to time over the years looking for Olava and her father without any result.


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jkmarler
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Posted - 05/06/2012 :  14:05:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Olaf Haug is probably the lodger with Ragna and Ben in the 1920 census. Name is spelled a little weird --Olaf Haugh. The "family" occupation was diamond driller and so it was Olaf's, too.

Ragna's obit says that she travelled to Norway 14 times--she should show up more in the departure registers than she does.

Are Martha's estate papers viewable online yet?
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oih2
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Posted - 05/06/2012 :  20:47:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, it is the same guy.
I have 4 of Ragnas trips to Norway, 1891,1892, 1902,1904,1908, the first one being the emigration. In 1904 she picked up a brother to my grandfather, that lived with them for many years.
Martha died as a poor woman, so it says nothing about who got this or that only that she had 2 adult children, although she had 6.
Her funeral was paid for by the city/ state because she was poor.


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jkmarler
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Posted - 05/06/2012 :  21:16:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If Ragna had an estate, there might be some paperwork that would be of interest. Typically, in America if someone dies, who has a will, the terms of the will are followed. If there is wording like "equally to my heirs at law", in the will then research has to be done to find those people who are considered heirs by the laws of the state.

If a person dies without a will, the estate gets divided according to the defaults in place in the state. Generally, the default in most places, although I don't know laws in Pennsylvania, is 1/3 to the surviving spouse, and 2/3 to divided equally by surviving children. But since Ragna had no children, most likely there would have been some research necessary to find her surviving parents & siblings and surviving children from the siblings to get their share to them.

What about Kristian Olson's siblings and parents--did they have any contact with him or did they have estates to which he might have been heir?
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oih2
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Posted - 05/06/2012 :  23:36:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If Kristian had any siblings I do not know. He had no 100% siblings, but his mother was married to a rich businessman for many years, so I assume there will be half siblings although I have not found them yet.
I have not found the death of his mother either, when I do I might be able to track down her will. Here it will be more estate I suspect.

Do you know how long it took to travel from New York to La Crosse ? The 1870 census was done after they arrived for the most part it seems, so they could be in that census. What do you think ?








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AntonH
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Posted - 06/06/2012 :  00:02:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looking at the 1870 Census for La Crosse County, it appears as if the Census was taken from early June to late July. So It is possible that they would have been a part of it since they arrived in New York on June 9, 1870. But I have not found either of them.

Edited by - AntonH on 06/06/2012 00:07:57
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jkmarler
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Posted - 06/06/2012 :  00:02:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My ancestors landed in 1882 in New York on 6 June and were to their home in Lind Township, Grand Forks County, Dakota by the 22 June. So yes Kristian and Olava could have been counted in the 1870 census.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 06/06/2012 :  00:51:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Kristian is #62:

Source information: Oslo county, Oslo Hospital / Gamlebyen, Parish register (official) nr. 3 (1829-1849), Birth and baptism records 1836, page 55.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7704&idx_id=7704&uid=ny&idx_side=-58
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