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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 06/08/2012 : 05:50:39
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I would be a little suspicious about the birthdate for Olga in the census as 1876--that would mean Olga would have been born when Julia was only 14 or so--physically possible but a bit unlikely. In some parishes the pastor gets really hissy about an unconfirmed girl having babies or getting married.
Here is Julia's confirmation #11:
Source information: Akershus county, Langset in Eidsvoll, Parish register copy nr. II 2 (1877-1897), Confirmation records 1877, page 82.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2924&idx_id=2924&uid=ny&idx_side=-83
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KLeach
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Posted - 06/08/2012 : 07:17:38
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The reason for Julia and Hjordis coming to Osakis is not clear. Hjordis was allegedly born out of wedlock, and Olga's father is an unknown as well at this point. The typical response to questions is usually, "We never discussed those things."
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Originally posted by jkmarler
I would be a little suspicious about the birthdate for Olga in the census as 1876--that would mean Olga would have been born when Julia was only 14 or so--physically possible but a bit unlikely. In some parishes the pastor gets really hissy about an unconfirmed girl having babies or getting married.
Here is Julia's confirmation #11:
Source information: Akershus county, Langset in Eidsvoll, Parish register copy nr. II 2 (1877-1897), Confirmation records 1877, page 82.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2924&idx_id=2924&uid=ny&idx_side=-83
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 06/08/2012 : 10:56:54
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Originally posted by KLeach
The reason for Julia and Hjordis coming to Osakis is not clear.
The reason for their emigration is quite obvious.
Julia was a cleaner in the Norwegian 1900-census, and as a widow with a young child, her finances must have been quite low.
Her brother in Osakis, MN probably sent her letters about the life he lived over there, and that there were good paid jobs for her too, most likely as maid or similar.
The economic growth in America was high, and there were jobs for "everyone". The situation in Norway was the opposite. The death-rate decreased, the population increased, and there were not enough jobs for people. Between 1825 - 1930 more than 800000 norwegians emigrated to America.
Oluf also paid for the ticket for her and his niece.
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eibache
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Posted - 06/08/2012 : 15:41:05
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Jens Hansens parents were married Oct 26 1843, see #14 - bachelor and farmer Hans Jensen, nordre Smedstad married maiden Christine Maria Nilsdatter, Gjerdrum-eie.
Hans Jensen was born April 11 1811, his parents were farmer Jens Thoresen (deceased when Hans was married) and Berthe Thorsdatter, see #4.
Christine Maria Nilsdatter was born Dec 13 1819, her parents were cottager Niels Olsen Hoel (deceased when Christine Maria was married) and Anne Christophersdatter, see #1. |
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KLeach
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Posted - 06/08/2012 : 17:36:28
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Where were you able to find out that Olaf paid for her ticket? I am amazed (and thankful) for the volume of information people on this site have provided, especially after encountering road blocks elsewhere. Many thanks to everyone.
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Originally posted by jwiborg
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Originally posted by KLeach
The reason for Julia and Hjordis coming to Osakis is not clear.
The reason for their emigration is quite obvious.
Julia was a cleaner in the Norwegian 1900-census, and as a widow with a young child, her finances must have been quite low.
Her brother in Osakis, MN probably sent her letters about the life he lived over there, and that there were good paid jobs for her too, most likely as maid or similar.
The economic growth in America was high, and there were jobs for "everyone". The situation in Norway was the opposite. The death-rate decreased, the population increased, and there were not enough jobs for people. Between 1825 - 1930 more than 800000 norwegians emigrated to America.
Oluf also paid for the ticket for her and his niece.
Jan Peter
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 06/08/2012 : 18:56:31
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Originally posted by KLeach
Where were you able to find out that Olaf paid for her ticket?
It's stated at the Ellis Island arrival.
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KLeach
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Posted - 07/08/2012 : 06:38:38
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My next question is, how should I record Julia's name in the family tree file? Should it be Julia Kristiansen, Julia Kristiansen Bunæs, or Julia Christiansen Buness as it is listed in the document from Ellis Island? What is the correct procedure for deciding on which name to use?
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Originally posted by jwiborg
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Originally posted by KLeach
Where were you able to find out that Olaf paid for her ticket?
It's stated at the Ellis Island arrival.
Jan Peter
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KLeach
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Posted - 07/08/2012 : 08:16:26
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Where did you find that Jens and Niels were deceased?
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Originally posted by eibache
Jens Hansens parents were married Oct 26 1843, see #14 - bachelor and farmer Hans Jensen, nordre Smedstad married maiden Christine Maria Nilsdatter, Gjerdrum-eie.
Hans Jensen was born April 11 1811, his parents were farmer Jens Thoresen (deceased when Hans was married) and Berthe Thorsdatter, see #4.
Christine Maria Nilsdatter was born Dec 13 1819, her parents were cottager Niels Olsen Hoel (deceased when Christine Maria was married) and Anne Christophersdatter, see #1.
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KLeach
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/08/2012 : 09:20:27
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Originally posted by KLeach
Where did you find that Jens and Niels were deceased?
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Originally posted by eibache
Jens Hansens parents were married Oct 26 1843, see #14 - bachelor and farmer Hans Jensen, nordre Smedstad married maiden Christine Maria Nilsdatter, Gjerdrum-eie.
Hans Jensen was born April 11 1811, his parents were farmer Jens Thoresen (deceased when Hans was married) and Berthe Thorsdatter, see #4.
Christine Maria Nilsdatter was born Dec 13 1819, her parents were cottager Niels Olsen Hoel (deceased when Christine Maria was married) and Anne Christophersdatter, see #1.
When Hjørdis was born, Julia was listed as "enke" meaning widow. In the 1900 census Julia is listed as "g" meaning gifte / married (rather than "e" for widow). When they left for America Julia is listed as "e" for enke. The assumption is that she and Jens married sometime between Hjørdis' baptism and the 1900 census taking date.
If you look at the marriage record for Christne, both the groom's and the bride's fathers are listed: groom's "afdøde gaardb Jens Thoresen Smedstad" and bride's "afdode huusmand Niels Olsen Hoel eller Gjerdrum-eie"
Afdøde is deceased so the deceased farm owner Jens Thorsen Smedstad and the deceased husman Niels Olsen on Hoel or Gjerdrum" Husman status is a cotter or sharecropper. |
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jkmarler
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KLeach
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Posted - 07/08/2012 : 19:15:49
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I searched the Norwegian archives in Drammen for Gurine in 1900 and 1885, but could find no trace of her. The 1910 census with Karl lists her birthdate as Jun 1 1879 in Drammen. It appears that she and Karl must have married prior to 1903.
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Here is the brother Karl Bunæs in the 1910 census, married and a father:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036458003814
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/08/2012 : 20:08:46
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Carl Christiansen, Bunæs and Gurine Berg were married July 7 1901, see #.
Gurine was born June 1 1877, see #105. Her parents were Lars P Berg and Karen M Fredriksdatter, living in Raadhusgaden.
Gurine, her parents and siblings in 1900.
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KLeach
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Posted - 09/08/2012 : 02:03:31
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My question here would be that he is listed as Olaf J Buness born 1868, but the one I am seeking is Olaf Kristiansen Buness born 1864.
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Kevin,
If your research in US indicates that your Olaf (or Ole) Buness is the same man as the one I'm posting of findings in the 1905 and 1895 Minnesota state censuses, I know of a family in Canada (descendants of this Olaf) who would probably like some contact, if you are interested in that:
Olaf J. Buness 1905 Minnesota census:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-159388-129096-80?cc=1503056
Olaf Buness 1895 Minnesota census:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MQDK-235
Jackie
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/08/2012 : 02:57:11
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Okay same as in Julia Johnson's marriage to Rodvold when she is listed elsewhere as Julia Kristiansen (Kristiansdatter).
The age difference is also questionable Eidsvold Olaf b. 1864 and Todd County Olaf born 1868, 1869, 1870 in various census records.
The remedy is to get every record possible to see the name transformation. Or look for an obit for Julia Rodvold to see if her siblings are mentioned and their locations.
There was another Olaf in some of the later censuses and there are plenty of Ole throughout the records but he was the only Olaf Buness found in 1905. Sorry,there are 2 Olaf Bunes / Buness --the Olaf already mentioned and one born abt 1879 who came to US about 1890--his parents are Nils and Thea and they live in Otter Tail County, Minnesota. The Olaf first mentioned lives in Todd County 1895, 1905 and Todd County is the county that Julia Johnson marries John Rodvold. |
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