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KLeach
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 Posted - 09/08/2012 : 16:01:01
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Do you have and suggestions for reliable search engines, free, or paid sites for obtaining obituaries, death certificates, etc?
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Okay same as in Julia Johnson's marriage to Rodvold when she is listed elsewhere as Julia Kristiansen (Kristiansdatter).
The age difference is also questionable Eidsvold Olaf b. 1864 and Todd County Olaf born 1868, 1869, 1870 in various census records.
The remedy is to get every record possible to see the name transformation. Or look for an obit for Julia Rodvold to see if her siblings are mentioned and their locations.
There was another Olaf in some of the later censuses and there are plenty of Ole throughout the records but he was the only Olaf Buness found in 1905. Sorry,there are 2 Olaf Bunes / Buness --the Olaf already mentioned and one born abt 1879 who came to US about 1890--his parents are Nils and Thea and they live in Otter Tail County, Minnesota. The Olaf first mentioned lives in Todd County 1895, 1905 and Todd County is the county that Julia Johnson marries John Rodvold.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 09/08/2012 : 16:54:31
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Actual death certificates index for Minnesota searchable at www.mnhs.org. Dates in the database are 1908-2001. You can order them there and they cost (at least the last time I ordered --0 $9/each.
At www.familysearch.org in the Minnesota Deaths and Burials database which is where Julia Rodvold's death record was found, appears to be a county level record. Handybook says death records from Todd are available back to 1867. So likely familysearch got the record from someone harvesting the records at the county courthouse. And it would be wise to see if you have a local LDS Family History Center. You may be able to order microfilm of the records if the Salt Lake main library in the system. On www.familysearch.org click on 'catalog" and input in place search.
Searchable online Minnesota papers are found in several places. If you google "Chronicling America" that will bring the Library of Congress & National Endowment for the Arts site which has the most comprehensive list of US newspapers. Several Minnesota papers are acrtually mounted on it are the Warren Sheaf, the Bemidji Pioneer, the Princeton _____ are small local weekly papers and there are also a couple of Minneapolis and St. Paul dailies as well. Dates vary but none more recent than 1922. The list might prove to be most useful to you since you could look up which papers might be available for Todd County (or whatever county you require) just to see what's available. There is a feature on the list which will tell you who holds the paper --likeliest in this case is the Minnesota State Historical Society. If the paper isn't mounted its most likely going to be available on microfilm which you can get through InterLibrary Loan program. (Not sure how that works internationally.) Chronicling is free.
For pay sites are www.genealogybank.com which has only a handful of Minnesota papers, none of which are from Todd County. The snippet views are usually generous enough that you can see what the article is about and dates can cover the whole spectrum from 1690-1970s. If you did find something they also offer a trial subscription 30 days for $10 bucks or so.
Another for pay site is newspaperarchive which I'm not familiar with, but Google often finds things in it and sometimes "guest" uses of the newspapers are allowed (2 per one session) |
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KLeach
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Posted - 12/08/2012 : 01:43:38
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Where else can I go to get information on Olga?
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Originally posted by jkmarler
I would be a little suspicious about the birthdate for Olga in the census as 1876--that would mean Olga would have been born when Julia was only 14 or so--physically possible but a bit unlikely. In some parishes the pastor gets really hissy about an unconfirmed girl having babies or getting married.
Here is Julia's confirmation #11:
Source information: Akershus county, Langset in Eidsvoll, Parish register copy nr. II 2 (1877-1897), Confirmation records 1877, page 82.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2924&idx_id=2924&uid=ny&idx_side=-83
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jkmarler
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KLeach
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Posted - 14/08/2012 : 17:20:33
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Is there any difference in the quality of information between a Parish Register official and a Parish Register copy?
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Originally posted by jkmarler
If Julie lived in Oslo in 1885 there is a census of the city of Oslo in that year:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebMeta.exe?slag=vismeny&fylkenr=&knr=&katnr=1&aar=&dagens=&emnenr=11
You could look at parish registers in Drammen to see if Olga was actually born there in about 1876 or search for a confirmation record for the Olga in the household in 1900. Olga may be a child of Julia's first husband but not of hers.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_fylke=6&idx_kilde=Alle&idx_periode=&idx_textsearch=&js=j
(Bragernes, Konnerud, Stromsø, Stromsodbygda are the churches that I know of for Drammen)
Look for the faddernes for all of Karl's children to see if any relative's names emerge--i.e. Olga
Look for a marriage for Olga or a death record after 1900 in Drammen for her.
Look in the 1910 census for any Olga born 1876 in Drammen (because her last name may have changed) residing any place in Norway.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/08/2012 : 18:53:06
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| Well they're supposed to be virtually identical but sometimes a pastor makes additional notes which might be useful on the parish register copy that aren't on the officiall. Always wise to check both items. |
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KLeach
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Posted - 15/08/2012 : 01:58:59
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Is it possible that this could be the same family?
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/25850656/person/1850819870
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Originally posted by jwiborg
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Bunæs--is that the questionable name on the head of household in the Gjørdis' 1900?
Yes, master baker Carl Bunæs is her older brother.
Jan Peter
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jkmarler
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Posted - 15/08/2012 : 02:45:01
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KLeach
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Posted - 24/08/2012 : 08:29:28
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Could you tell me what columns 9, 10, 11 and 14 refer to in the marriage register you referred to for Carl and Gurine?
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Originally posted by eibache
Carl Christiansen, Bunæs and Gurine Berg were married July 7 1901, see #.
Gurine was born June 1 1877, see #105. Her parents were Lars P Berg and Karen M Fredriksdatter, living in Raadhusgaden.
Gurine, her parents and siblings in 1900.
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eibache
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Posted - 24/08/2012 : 09:57:23
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9 - name and position of the fathers of the groom and the bride
10 - name of the witnesses
11 - date for the annoncement of the intention to marry
14 - notes - here is informed that the marriage took place in Grønland church, Christiania.
See record #91.
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AntonH
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Posted - 24/08/2012 : 17:12:36
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Is it possible that this could be the same family?
I would be careful with the data from Ancestry.com on family trees. For the family you have provided a link to, there is very little data provided. The family descends from a John Christian Buness b 1830 and his wife Oiiva Bunness,b 1837 no sources or data provided. Several sons and daughters are listed also without sources and data. The only family member well documented is Anton Carl Buness Johnson listed as.
Anton Carl Buness Johnson
Birth 28 Aug 1858 in Trondhjem, Norway
Death 19 Feb 1935 in Rice, Minnesota, United States
Sources are 1900 US Census and Passport Application.
Most of the data on your family listed above has Akerhus Fylke for location not Trondheim. While the data on this Anton Carl Buness Johnson seems to be accurate and to have sources the rest of the family tree seems very weak.
1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Anton Johnson
Age: 44
Birth Date: May 1856
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1900: Kandota, Todd, Minnesota
[Todd]
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1882
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Lara A Johnson
Marriage Year: 1883
Years Married: 17
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925
Name: Anton C Johnson
Birth Date: 28 Aug 1858
Birth Place: Trondhjem, Norway
Age: 65
Residence: Pierpont, So Dak
Passport Issue Date: 2 May 1924
Father Name: John Johnson
Father's Birth Location: Norway
Father's Residence: Deceased
Passport Includes a Photo: Yes
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/08/2012 : 21:03:31
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Actually digging further into the above data on Anton C Johnson, it appears as if there are two Anton C Johnsons, One living in Todd County Minnesota and found in the 1900 US Census and married to a Laura and a Anton C Johnson living in Day County South Dakota married to a Christiania and found in the Passport Application. Thus the Family Tree on Ancestry.com has likely merged the two different people leaving any of the data from that Family Tree suspect. as to its accuracy.
1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Anton C Johnson
Age in 1910: 52
Birth Year: 1858
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1910: Lynn, Day, South Dakota
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1882
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Christina F Johnson
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
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KLeach
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Posted - 01/10/2012 : 00:47:22
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I found out recently that Hjordis (b. 8 Feb 1899 in Drammen/Olso), had an aunt by the name of Anne Kristine Johnson. But, I've hit a wall. There is a reference to a funeral bulletin that contained the following information:
Anne Kristine Johnson was born to Anne and Christian Johnson on Sept.25, 1870 at Drammen, Norway and died Dec.19, 1961. She came to this country at age 18 and spent her entire life in the Gordon Community. She was united in marriage to John O. Johnson on October 26, 1896. To this union were born nine children: eight of whom survive her passing. Olga, Clara, Lara, Freda, Millie, Carl of Longview, Wash., Clifford of Lebanon, Ore., Bryan of Alexandria; one son William passed away on Dec.11, 1959. Mr. Johnson preceded his wife Aug.4, 1939.
Service Dec.22, 1961, Salem Lutheran Church, Osakis, MN.
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The problem is the last name Johnson. Hjordis' grandparents' names were Kristian Jenssen (b.abt 1825) and Olea Kristensdatter (b. abt 1824). There is an Anne K Kristensdatter listed as one of her mother's sisters (Julia Kristensdatter/Bunaes) who was born in Eidsvoll, Akershus, Norway in 1869. I have looked to census info in Drammen for the period of 1870, but not all the information has been archived yet. Julia's other siblings are: Anton (b. abt.1855 in Eidsvoll), Karl (b. 30 Aug 1860 in Eidsvoll), and Olaf Bunaes (b. 8 Apr 1864 in Bunaes).
Julia, Hjordis, and this mystery aunt settled in the Osakis, MN area.
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Originally posted by KLeach
The reason for Julia and Hjordis coming to Osakis is not clear.
The reason for their emigration is quite obvious.
Julia was a cleaner in the Norwegian 1900-census, and as a widow with a young child, her finances must have been quite low.
Her brother in Osakis, MN probably sent her letters about the life he lived over there, and that there were good paid jobs for her too, most likely as maid or similar.
The economic growth in America was high, and there were jobs for "everyone". The situation in Norway was the opposite. The death-rate decreased, the population increased, and there were not enough jobs for people. Between 1825 - 1930 more than 800000 norwegians emigrated to America.
Oluf also paid for the ticket for her and his niece.
Jan Peter
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/10/2012 : 03:34:46
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Here is the son William Johnson's death index listing at www.mnhs.org. His mother's maiden name is rendered as Johnson.
JOHNSON, WILLIAM
Date of Birth: 25 Sep 1913
Place of Birth: MINNESOTA
Mother Maiden Name: JOHNSON
certid# 1959-MN-018850
Date of Death: 11 Dec 1959
County of Death: TODD
Here is the only Ann, Anne, Anna Johnson who died in December 1961:
JOHNSON, ANNA MARIE
Date of Birth: 16 Apr 1867
Place of Birth: OUT OF STATE
Mother Maiden Name: KNUTTSDATTER
certid# 1961-MN-007805
Date of Death: 11 Dec 1961
County of Death: HUBBARD
And this death record is just right:
JOHNSON, KRISTINE
Date of Birth: 25 Sep 1870
Place of Birth: OUT OF STATE
Mother Maiden Name: UNKNOWN
certid# 1961-MN-019084
Date of Death: 19 Dec 1961
County of Death: TODD
Here is a marriage from 1896 in Todd County for John O. Johnson and Christine Johnson at MOMS:
TODD ME-069 10/26/1896 JOHNSON, JOHN O JOHNSON, CHRISTINE
Here is the Minnesota Birth Index for Bryan Johnson in Todd County:
Johnson, Bryan Arnel
Date of Birth: 05 May 1907
Mother Maiden Name: Burnes
certid# 1907-27878
County of Birth: Todd
And probably the smoking gun:
Johnson, Frida
Date of Birth: 17 Dec 1901
Mother Maiden Name: Buness
certid# 1901-25741
County of Birth: Todd
Here is the transcription of the John O. Johnson family at Gordon, Todd County, Minnesota in 1910. This family has both a Freda and a Bryan of approximately the correct ages:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M2PT-892
As for the birthdate in Drammen--that's easy enough to check in the parish registers--basically looking for an Anne Christine or Anne Marie Johnsdatter or Jensdatter born on that date.
Rather curious as most of the records here name her as Kristine/ Christina rather than Ann, Anna or Anne.
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KLeach
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Posted - 01/10/2012 : 04:38:48
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Makes me wonder if she was listed in the records as Kristine Johnson instead.
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Here is the son William Johnson's death index listing at www.mnhs.org. His mother's maiden name is rendered as Johnson.
JOHNSON, WILLIAM
Date of Birth: 25 Sep 1913
Place of Birth: MINNESOTA
Mother Maiden Name: JOHNSON
certid# 1959-MN-018850
Date of Death: 11 Dec 1959
County of Death: TODD
Here is the only Ann, Anne, Anna Johnson who died in December 1961:
JOHNSON, ANNA MARIE
Date of Birth: 16 Apr 1867
Place of Birth: OUT OF STATE
Mother Maiden Name: KNUTTSDATTER
certid# 1961-MN-007805
Date of Death: 11 Dec 1961
County of Death: HUBBARD
Here is a marriage from 1896 in Todd County for John O. Johnson and Christine Johnson at MOMS:
TODD ME-069 10/26/1896 JOHNSON, JOHN O JOHNSON, CHRISTINE
Here is the Minnesota Birth Index for Bryan Johnson in Todd County:
Johnson, Bryan Arnel
Date of Birth: 05 May 1907
Mother Maiden Name: Burnes
certid# 1907-27878
County of Birth: Todd
And probably the smoking gun:
Johnson, Frida
Date of Birth: 17 Dec 1901
Mother Maiden Name: Buness
certid# 1901-25741
County of Birth: Todd
Here is the transcription of the John O. Johnson family at Gordon, Todd County, Minnesota in 1910. This family has both a Freda and a Bryan of approximately the correct ages:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M2PT-892
As for the birthdate in Drammen--that's easy enough to check in the parish registers--basically looking for an Anne Christine or Anne Marie Johnsdatter or Jensdatter born on that date.
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