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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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 Posted - 15/10/2012 : 22:24:05
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Originally posted by JustiBlak
1880 in Michigan? Yes I have found him there...
In what city/county?
Another possibility: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MWST-W6Z
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 15/10/2012 22:43:13 |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 15/10/2012 : 22:49:37
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The 1900 US census listed his occupation as 'sailor'. What if he didn't come to a US or Canacian port as a passenger -- he could easily have worked his way across as a crewman.
I'm unfamiliar with Michigan geography and history -- was Louis/Lewis/Louis a sailor/seaman for most of his working life? |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 15/10/2012 : 23:01:04
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Originally posted by Hopkins
The 1900 US census listed his occupation as 'sailor'.
Then it should be him in Pierport, MI, census-1880.
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JustiBlak
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 15/10/2012 : 23:48:27
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My Grandfather (Louis's Grandson) and all of his brothers all worked on boats. But they worked on the Great Lakes in Michigan and Wisconsin, If Louis worked on the boats in this area he could of worked on the Great Lakes.... but he could of very well came to MI/ WI via the St Lawarnce Seaway. That is something to think about..
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You Just Cant Have Enough Family in your life.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 16/10/2012 : 04:00:10
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Here is a long shot. His name is Lauritz Emil Johnson born in 1848. A reason for singling him out of the many is his middle name of Emil. I noticed that one of your Louis Johnson's son was named Emil. (sometimes written as Emil and sometimes as Amiel in other records). A problem is that he is listed as a bricklayer in the 1865 Norwegian Census not a sailor.
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JustiBlak
Starting member
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Posted - 16/10/2012 : 04:50:44
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| After looking at the information, it would be interested to learn more as there are other names on there that ended up being either sons or grandsons of his... Julius, Emil, Carl... which gives me flags.... I just am not understanding all of the farms, cities, husbands, wifes, sons, daughters... I had never heard that he was a sailor, but I know that his grandsons all were. Thanks it has been a very interesting day... I really would like to know of parents and siblings of Louis Johnson..... It is a work in progress,,,, thanks |
You Just Cant Have Enough Family in your life.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 16/10/2012 : 10:10:27
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Genealogy takes time, somtimes a loooong time.
Christiania / Oslo has many parishs`s.
Louis Johnson online from 2004, changed to Lewis Johnson, and his descendants.
Same info on him here, born March 7. 1843 in Oslo, link
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 16/10/2012 : 11:05:15
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Christian Ludvig Johnsen maybe a good candidate, see 1865.
He was born Dec 25 1846, bapt record #98 ref the marriage record for birth year.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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JustiBlak
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 16/10/2012 : 13:16:07
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| Karto-Yes that is my grandfather that you sent the link too. I have all of that history which I have been search for years for. I now want to go to NOrway and see if I can find the norway history: Lewis Johnson's Parents and silblings. But it is the name change from one country to another that is so hard and I just have to learn how to search your records as it is hard because of the translation. But that is my grandfather... from America... He emigrated here in 1869, as a single man. Married Minnie here in MI. All of his children were born here in either MI or WI. There has always been this family rumor that was pasted down that he somehow changed his name, And took over someone elses idenity when he came across the ship. The other person having died in route to america somehow... there has never been any record of any of this... just a family rumor.... |
You Just Cant Have Enough Family in your life.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 16/10/2012 : 13:27:45
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Here is another long shot from the 1865 Norwegian census Joh. Lauritz Johnsen age 23 b. Christiania, student at a seminary:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=4&filnamn=f60220&gardpostnr=1004&personpostnr=6412&merk=6412#ovre
Justine, it's not that the search is impossible or anything of the sort. Also search in the basic Norwegian records is better done here in US online than on the ground in Norway, not mentioning, of course, that a search on the ground in Norway keeps you out of the beautiful country sights and sounds.
In spite of the firmness of your dates and places, there appears to be some variations in the records on this fellow, for instance did he migrate in 1869 or was it 1875 or was he born 7 Mar 1843 or March 1845 or born 1846? Part of the process is to "try on" as many candidates and see who fits what you know. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 16/10/2012 : 14:36:24
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Justine -- Have you actually looked at the US censuses and other documents where Louis/Lewis Johnson appears yourself? Occupation and other information will be written there. You don't have to purchase a subscription to an online 'ancestry' service. Visit your local public library that has Internet service for the users or look for the nearest LDS Family History Center -- those locations will allow you access to the actual images of the US censuses and probably print the images. Study each of them carefully and exhaust each for details about the family members listed.
What actually was your source for the birthdate and location for Louis/Lewis? Was that an actual document that would be considered reliable or just second hand information? What is the source of the story about taking an alias or stealing an identity? Is that actually reliable or just a family legend?
Have you researched to find and examine his actual death certificate? newspaper obituary? church records where he and his family were members in Manistee County?? Was he mentioned in any history of the area or church? Did being a sailor in Manistee Co. involve any registration with a maritime office where his background may have been noted? You have to concentrate your research efforts in US sources FIRST!
When you have enough accurate information (or MORE accurate) about Louis/Lewis' origins in Norway you do NOT have to go to Norway to look for records. The Norwegian censuses and church records are available ONLINE. You can do perfectly good research sitting in your living room easy chair with a laptop and a good Internet connection... but you have to have somewhere to start. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 16/10/2012 : 17:42:25
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Here is another Lauritz Emil Osmundsen/Johannessen.
And this person is actually a seaman.
He is born in Christiansand, Vest Agder, not Christiania (Oslo).
The marriage record for Lewis Johnson in Manistee, Michigan reads place of birth: Christina Norway, occupation: farmer.
Is it possible that "Christina" could be Christiansand, not Christiania? Are there other records linking him to a city of origin?
Census-1865
Unfortunately, he is born 24 Dec 1844, which is not a perfect match...
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Edited by - jwiborg on 16/10/2012 18:16:17 |
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JustiBlak
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 16/10/2012 : 18:38:28
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Hopkins: Yes i actually have copies of obit, Declaration of Intention of becoming a US Citizen in 1888, I have copies of and read lots my self of census where he has lived. I have most records of his children and his childrens childrens.... and so on. None of these records state any parents names, they are always blank. As far as the story of the the name change it is just a second or third hand story that has been filtered down though the generations. No proof one way or another...Louis was always been listed as a farmer, as was most of his sons. I live very close to the town where he lived as well as a lot of the family. It has been noted on the obits and paper that he was from Christiania, Oslo, Norway, born 7 mar 1843.
His childrens names are: Edward, Amiel Julius, August, Anna,Minnie, Eunice, Grace, Emma. His wife is Wilhelminia "Minnie" Birkholz, she was born in Prussia. My Great Grandfather was Edward, and my Grandfather was John. I have been tracing the family since 1980, on and off as I was married in 1989 and had a family. But no one has found any info on Louis Johnson born in Norway! He was never a sailor in Manistee Co. Although his grandsons were Lake Michigan sailors , working on the Rail Road Ferries between MI and WI. They lived in the Area where that could be done. The towns where Louie and his family settle was right on Lake Michigan, Louie having a home right on the beach of Lake Michigan in Pierport , MI.
As you can see I have concentrated my US Search for Louis and now I want to see if I can find some Kind of info on the family he left in Norway. I have not been able to understand or make any sence of your census or church records in Norway, as the name thing is just way confusing... this is the first time I have ventured searching online into another country. So any Help I will surely take.... AGain Thanks to all of you for your info.... it is greatly appreicated. |
You Just Cant Have Enough Family in your life.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 16/10/2012 : 19:48:55
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Okay, what's in his declaration of intention to become a citizen and when & where did he file?
If it is like most declarations in the 1880s it will include something like the month and year of landing in the US and the name of the US port that he came through. With the approximate date of landing the data could be compared to the out-migrating lists from the Norwegian ports which are transcribed and are searchable online at the Norwegian digital archives. |
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