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Kåarto
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 Posted - 28/11/2012 : 15:12:41
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Ringsaker 1840, Ole Engebretsen sold a small part in Sæterbakken to Ole Johnsen, owner of Sæterbakengen.
Title (Property) dated June 2. and June 3. 1840 from Ole Engebretsen to Ole Johnsen for 10 Riksdaler.
See on top right page #1Ved#2 Skjøde
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Edited by - Kåarto on 28/11/2012 15:14:21 |
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dwssnell
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Posted - 28/11/2012 : 18:18:35
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dwssnell
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Posted - 28/11/2012 : 18:37:59
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| Thank you again! Wow, I will have to stay in Norway for a long time to see all of these farms! I have a lot of updating to do on my family history notebooks, too. I won't hit you with any more questions today, but I still have lots! |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 28/11/2012 : 22:47:15
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I am attaching this before I close the PC.
Diff. to translate these old Norwegian words.
A brief summary after my best ability if the translater is cooperating 
Matrikkelnr.on Sæterbakken acc. to the 1400s-1838 "matrikkel" was 375
Matrikkelnr on Sæterbakken acc. to the 1838-1886 "matrikkel" was 72
"Gårdsmatrikkel" 1838 for Sæterbakken, Brøttum.
"Matrikkelskyld" or "skyld" was a system to calculate the tax on the farm after a fixed percentage of the annual return on the farm, here estimated to one Daler an four Ort, ca 1.8 Daler.
What is interesting is that Sæterbakken had two owners in 1838, Ole Engebrektsen and Ole Johnsen, link
Within 1865 Ole Engebrektsen and Marte Nilsdatter had sold Sæterbakken and recieved now as former owners "Føderaad" secured by a legal right on free supplies on the farm as long as they lived.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 29/11/2012 : 14:53:45
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Marthe Nilsdatter came to Sæterbakken 1823, same year as she married Ole Engebrektsen Sæterbakken.
- Marthe Nilsdatter Sæterbakken born April 18. 1802 from Afskakelien, Faaberg, last record right page #204
Add. info.
Ole Engebrektsen´s sister Marthe Engebrektsdatter b. Sept. 29. 1807 married to Johannes Olsen left Sæterbakken for Sollien in Faaberg Sept. 21. 1832, right page #43-44
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dwssnell
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Posted - 29/11/2012 : 18:30:41
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| I have never seen that register before, and I can't find some of the words in my dictionary, but I gather that it means moving from one parish or community to another?? She moved to Saeterbakken from Avskakalien in 1823. Born 18-4-1802 and confirmed in Lillehammer 1815? Can you translate the page headings for me? Tilgange Lister? (a register of incoming people?) . Thank you again! |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 29/11/2012 : 18:39:56
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Hi, you are right.
Very old words, do not exist today, that´s why a modern dictionary can´t translate it.
"Tilgangslister" is another word for "Innflyttede", moving into a parish, incoming people.
More common is "innflyttede" incoming
The opposite is "Avgangslister", leaving a parish
More common is "utvandrede" leaving the parish, emigration.
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dwssnell
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Posted - 29/11/2012 : 19:06:37
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| Yes, I have used those registers in the later records to find emigrants to America. I can't believe how much we can learn about these people from so long ago. I am so glad my ancestors were Norwegian! |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 29/11/2012 : 19:17:53
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The Norwegian records are very good and free for everyone to investigate.
Within a few years the probateregisters will (hopefully) be online, still there are millions of records in the archives, based on volunteers to get it published online.
I belive Marthe was confirmated in Faaberg, the record is under Lillehammer.
3. column 4. from bottom;
Marthe Nilsdr Afskakelien, no grades given, see here
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Kåarto
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Posted - 29/11/2012 : 23:41:25
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Avskåkelien (name various) is named after lake Avskoken, see map on page 5.
The first settler on Afskåklien, called Askoken, was Johannes Lillehammer in 1629-30.
The farm was a subfarm until 1793.
- In 1757 the farm was called Avskaakelien when a girl Marit Evensdatter was bap. at home.
- 1767 a girl Anne was bap. at home, parents was your ancestors in the 1801 census on page 5, Nils Jensen and Kjersti/Kirsti Hansdatter, 1770 a son Nils (Nilsen) born and a daughter Martha born 1776.
- 1793 Nils Nilsen b. 1770 bought the farm for 195 Daler.
- 1795 Nils Nilsen married Kari Mortensdatter and takes over the farm against "Føderaad" (Free supplies) for the parents.
Nils Nilsen died 1810 within 1809, probate register, not online, tells the net fortune was 160 Daler, 3 children alive, Ole, Kari and your Marthe.
1820 Afskaklien was two farms, Northern and Southern, your family lived on S. Afskaklien.
2 years later Ole Nilsen Afskaklien married Ragnhild, a son Kristian b. July 17. 1822.
1939 Afskaklien G.nr 47 were 7 small farms.
Info is a summary of page one here, no info on your family on this farm after 1822.
Source; Fåberg and Lillehammer history society.
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dwssnell
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Posted - 30/11/2012 : 02:47:08
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| Thank you very much. What a great summary. I will put it in my book after I translate it. In the new Brøttum bind 11 (2011) this branch of the family is listed under 47.2 Avskåkålien midtre to 1998. They also list 47.1 Avsk. nørdre; 47.2a Kallykkjen/Snurruhaugen to 1900; 47.3 Avsk. søndre to 1981; 47.6 Ivinhullet to 1925; 47.9 Avsk. midtre tun to 1998. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 30/11/2012 : 15:58:00
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The main number was Avs. 47, and as more bought land of the main farm and uesd their own name the numbers were as you described 47.- 47.1 - 47.1a - 47.2 etc.
These farms was very small, up to "10 mål" 2,5 acres, perhaps just enough to feed a cow, some pigs, goats and cheeps and had other work in addition.
47. 1a means it was farm nr 47.1 who gave land to this farm.
These farms are probably only used for vaccation today.
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dwssnell
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Posted - 30/11/2012 : 17:55:14
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| It is amazing how they could survive on a farm that small, especially with the large families most people had back then. It really explains why so many decided to emigrate to a place where they could get 160 acres from the government. However a lot of the immigrants had a very hard life here also. The first time I went to Norway I was so overwhelmed by the beauty everywhere that I couldn't understand why anyone would ever leave there. I still feel like that each time I go, but I can understand why they left. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 30/11/2012 : 19:58:45
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In 1865 S. Avskåkålien was on total 280 acres including pastureland, 7 acres was of good soil and the farm could feed 12 persons, 2 horses, 7 big cattle, 10 cheeps and a pig, so 1/2 barrel of barley, 2 2/3 of mixed korn and 3 barrels of potatoes (8-10 in return?) fishing, hunting and handicraft in addition.
This was a good farm to grew up on.
One reason for the large em. to America (50% of the population) was the vaccination project started ca 1790 and within 2 generations the population doubled but the number of farms did not increase in the same number, it bacame crowdy, many starved, espesially the cottagers and leasholders.
The reason I changed the year Nils Nilsen died from 1810 (1810 was the probate register) to before 1809 is becaus the widow Kari Mortensdatter married Gunner Halvorsen Avelsgaarden on July 14. 1809, angaged Mai 11.
See bottom left column here Bestmen: Lars Suttestad and Peder Nyehuus.
His father Nils Jensen Avskåkålien died as widower Feb. 17. 1814, age 81.
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dwssnell
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Posted - 30/11/2012 : 20:12:41
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Thank you for all the good information. Did you ever read "Giants in the Earth" by Ole Rolvaag? It takes place near where I grew up (Worthington, MN near Sioux Falls, SD) and is a good example of what the immigrants had to contend with in prairie country USA, not at all what they were used to in Norway. I would call it my all-time favorite book. I am starting anew topic later today from the same area, but now I have to go out. This will be Christian Larsen Gjedrud, my g. g. grandfather, who was baptized at Faaberg 1835. His father is the problem. On the birth record he is just listed as "Lars Bruget" from Ringsaker, and that's all I now about him. His mother was from Gjeitrud.
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