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soa
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 Posted - 08/03/2013 : 14:03:17
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My family has for a long time been looking for my great grandfather Hans Larsson (or Larsen or Larson) Holm, he was born in Begnadalen, Oppland, Norway 1877.
He worked for the railway Bergensbanen at least from 1906-1907, we don't know the exact time.
He had a daughter (my grandmother) in 1907 with Anne Pålsdotter from Hol in Hallingdal, Buskerud Norway.
After my grandmother was born we know nothing about him. He was recommended to leave the vally Hallingdalen or to be put in jail, he liked to fight a lot and was called "Villvaldresingen".
Does anyone out there have any information, suggestions on how to track Mr. Holm please let me know? |
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jkmarler
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soa
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Posted - 08/03/2013 : 17:33:27
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| Well, at least that's the rumor, but we don't know the truth, of course. Thank you for you reply! |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 08/03/2013 : 17:51:54
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Can´t find any Hans born 1877 in Søndre Aurdal in the 1910 census for Norway.
Born on Tronsehaugen?
Was Holm the last known place he worked at.
Valdrisen was known as a fighter.
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soa
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Posted - 08/03/2013 : 18:03:00
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| Not sure if Holm was a farmer or if it was a place he worked at. Tronsehaugen is a good suggestion, thank you. Don't think Hans lived in Søndre Aurdal when the 1910 census happened, think he lived near or in Norderhov then, but that's another rumor. Yet another rumor is that he had one more daughter in Hallingdal, but that's all the rumor says... |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 08/03/2013 : 20:48:18
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Hei.
Have you looked into Bygdebok C about Begnadalen.
The book is available on Statsarkivet Hamar, not for rent.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 08/03/2013 20:50:39 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 08/03/2013 : 23:50:30
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Dordei, your gran's baptism record #17 . Hans is identified there as Hans Larsen Holm also born 1877 even though he wasn't the Hans born in 1877 in Begnadalen:
Source information: Buskerud county, Hol, Parish register (official) nr. I 3 (1887-1918), Birth and baptism records 1907, page 86.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=4173&idx_id=4173&uid=ny&idx_side=-89
Curious about the memory of Norderhov in connection with Hans.... |
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soa
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Posted - 08/03/2013 : 23:50:54
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| Thank you for information, no have not even heard about that book, but will for sure do! |
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soa
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Posted - 08/03/2013 : 23:58:39
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| Yes, i know about the Buskerud county, Hol, Parish register (official) nr. I 3 (1887-1918), Birth and baptism records 1907, page 86., but that's the only record we can find with Hans L. Holm's name. Thank you! Yes, some family members heard that he probably moved to or ended up at Norderhov, but can't find anything listet there either. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 09/03/2013 : 00:08:26
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The old man Lars Larsen on Trondsehaugen in Begnadalen came from Simensrud (I think) in Aadahl & in his death record its called Ringeriget so perhaps Hans was in Ringerike because of relatives?
Lars Larsen death #4:
Source information: Oppland county, Begndal in Sør-Aurdal, Parish register copy nr. 8 (1894-1921), Death and burial records 1910-1911, page 81.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5072&idx_id=5072&uid=ny&idx_side=-93
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soa
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Posted - 09/03/2013 : 00:13:00
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| Mmm, yes you might be right about that. Good observation, thank you! |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 09/03/2013 : 16:01:46
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Here are 2 siblings of Hans b 1875 found in the 1910 census, Lars Larsen and Inger Larsdatter:
Inger Larsdatter #13 b 27 May 1865
Source information: Oppland county, Begnadalen in Sør-Aurdal, Parish register copy nr. 3 (1862-1893), Birth and baptism records 1865, page 10.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9377&idx_id=9377&uid=ny&idx_side=-13
sister Inger Larsdatter in 1910:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036451004188
Lars Larsen b. 6 Jan 1869 #4:
Source information: Oppland county, Begnadalen in Sør-Aurdal, Parish register copy nr. 3 (1862-1893), Birth and baptism records 1869, page 16.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9377&idx_id=9377&uid=ny&idx_side=-19
Lars Larsen Grimsrud and Sofie Sigurdsdatter marriage #1:
Source information: Buskerud county, Ytre Ådal (Hval) in Ådal, Parish register (official) nr. II 1 (1884-1897), Marriage records 1892, page 89.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5913&idx_id=5913&uid=ny&idx_side=-94
brother Lars Larsen in 1910:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036476003583
brother Lars Larsen in 1900:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f00627&gardpostnr=363&personpostnr=2433&merk=2433#ovre
Haven't found Hans nor a connection to a place named Holm or that contains Holm but brother Lars lived in Aadahl!
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soa
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Posted - 09/03/2013 : 17:03:34
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| Thank for all the information, there's a lot which is very interesting but i'm also uncertian because there is nothing directly confirmed to Hans, but for all i know this could be his family or at least relatives. Could he have taken the name Holm when he came to Hallingdal to work for the railway on the Bergensbanen tracks? Forever greatful for all your work and help! |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 09/03/2013 : 18:22:43
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Of course, ties are what's lacking or any real evidence of his existance other than his name in the Hol parish register.
The records in Begnadalen are bit spotty--no confirmation nor marriage records that I could see up til 1894, etc. I did look through all the death / funeral records and Hans Larsen did not die in Begnadalen from 1875-1921.
Other things that might obscure finding Hans is how his birthplace might be listed in the 1900 & 1910 censuses. It could be Sør Aurdal, Begnadalen, Bægnadalen, Valders or something completely different. And since the only Hans Larsen birth in Begnadalen was actually in 1875, was the 1877 information in the register an accidental mistake or a purposeful misrepresentation or even a lack of care on his own part which might also be represented in other records in other places about himself?
Usually family stories contain a kernel of truth, the parish registers of the Hallingdal parishes could be checked for other uægte children fathered by a Hans Larsen during the time the train was constructed. Who told the tale? Finding and checking for a similar or disimilar tale among Anne Palsdatter's sister's descendants might turn up an additional clue--maybe. When you can't generate the obvious things (like the census listings) you have to resort to the more out of mainstream things.
It's worth pursuit. Hans was somebody's boy and without him your entire story would be different. |
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soa
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Posted - 09/03/2013 : 18:35:40
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You are so right; he was somebody's boy and my history would be completely different without him.
Thank you for good advise. I'm talking to my oldest uncle, and will go deeper, ask him if he knows older people than him that might remember something/anything.
I believe that Hans didn't tell the whole truth about himself, and that he was born in 1875 and not 1877 is absolutely at good lead, so i have put 1877 more away now. The tale about Hans probably came through my grandmother's relatives and her husband i guess, she didn't talk about her father, we know that she once got some information but she didn't want to pursuit it, and i think the information was thrown away (no one living now has seen it), sadly. But how could she know that we would be so interested in her past. And as you say family stories a kernel of truth.
Your help is great, thanks again!
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