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Kimberly Robinson
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 Posted - 04/04/2013 : 23:53:32
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Hi, I am looking for my ggg grandfather, his name is John Torgerson, all I know is he was born in Norway, married to Christine and has a child named Gunder Johnson born 7-24-1860 in Norway and Gunder had moved to Minnesota and died 3-27-1948. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks. Kim |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2013 : 00:06:44
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It might be this Gunder Johnsen who is shown as born in Sigdal, Buskerud, Norway on 23 July 1860 -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N481-MPT
You'll need more info to verify -- when did your Gunder leave Norway? where did he settle after he emigrated? do you have names and vital dates for any other family members? |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2013 : 00:23:39
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| If Gunder appears with his family in Clearwater Co. MN for the 1905 MN census and 1910 US census then he is probably the Gunder above born in Sigdal. |
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Kimberly Robinson
Starting member
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Posted - 05/04/2013 : 04:55:12
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Hello,
Gunder and his wife and family came to America in 1900, in 1903 he homesteaded in Sinclair Township, Clearwater County, he had ten children (I have those names). No info. on Gunder's siblings. |
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Kimberly Robinson
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Posted - 05/04/2013 : 05:07:31
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| His mother was Christine, on the Family Search it has the name Xstie Nielsdr, sounds like that would be it. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 05/04/2013 : 08:54:51
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If Gunder Johnsen was married to Maren Eriksdatter they both emigrated in 1900.
The one from Sigdal is your Gunder then. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2013 : 10:21:16
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Kimberly -- You have to have more information about 'John Torgerson' before you can research him. His son Gunder with a birthdate and both parents names was the best possible chance to find out the WHERE in Norway the family was from.
The 1865 Norwegian census shows over 100 men who could match the meager information you had about 'John Torgerson' -- but Gunder was luckily found using the free databases of familysearch.org -- his birth year and parents names reinforcing the search.
So now you are interested in 'John Torgerson' known to be married to woman with a name like Kristi or Christine and living in Sigdal, Buskerud when he had a son named Gunder (or similar variation).
The 1865 census shows the family living in Sigdal (the date for Gunder is wrong but censuses anywhere are prone to such simple errors).
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0621&kenr=003&bnr=0058&lnr=000
So now you know WHERE in Norway to research and at least approximately when John Torgersen was born and where. You know he wasn't a land owner and you have names and dates of other children he had that can be researched and added to your stores of family information.
http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/files/word.htm
The detail available in the extensive parish church records is a marvelous gift from Norway. The Digitalarkivet web site has been adding scanned images of the original Norwegian parish church records for anyone with Internet access since November 2005. To be able to use the parish records you must first know WHERE in Norway you want to search for this documentation.
The Digitalarkivet web site - (http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebFront.exe?slag=vis&tekst=meldingar)
An English option is available by clicking on that word from either the left hand column or the blue link bar along the bottom of the homepage.
The scanned images are available from the homepage link "Skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Digitised parish records" [English version] which is listed along the left hand column and from the blue banner of links along the top section of the homepage.
When you click on that link another page will present a short list of choices - choose "Read the digitized parish registers"[English version]/"Lesa skanna kykrebøker" [Norwegian version].
After you've clicked on that link and a new main page has presented on the screen be sure and read the instructions that are available from the Digitalarkivet for navigating the scanned records. The instructions are available in Bokmål (official Norwegian), Nyorsk (Norwegian), Davvisámegiella (Saami), and English.
Recommended basic reading are the "Startsiden" [Norwegian version]/"Main page" [English version], "Brukerveiledning" [Norwegian version]/"User's guide" [English version] and "Om tjenesten" [Norwegian version]/"About this service" [English version].
Good information about translating the formats of Norwegian parish church records during various time periods, many of the basic terms used and understanding how to use the information should be studied at this web site -
(http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html)
Are you already familiar with the other resources in Norway and online about researching your Norwegian ancestors?
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2013 : 10:33:45
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An example of using the Sigdal parish church records to find actual documentation about a member of that family --
The youngest child shown in the 1865 census was the daughter, Thora, born circa 1865 in Sigdal.
The actual church record of her birth and baptism lists her birth as 21 April 1865, parents Jon Torgersen and Christi Nielsdatter living on a Sigdal farm I cannot read the name of.
You've now seen additional name spelling variations and can add them to your collection of 'names of interest'. Spelling was NOT an exact science and if it sounded the same - it probably was the same. Also make note that European date formats are recorded in DD/MM/YYYY order -- don't use the American date format.
I hope you have quick success in using the parish records yourself and ENJOY! |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 05/04/2013 : 15:32:53
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You have the names of Gunder Johnsens 10 children.
Was Gunder Johnsen married to Marie born Eriksdatter ? (from Krødsherad)
Three of the oldest childen were;
Elen b. 1889, Gunhild b. 1891 and Kristian b. 1892 ?
This family em from Bø-eiet in Sigdal August 15. 1900.
If this info correspond with yours its the right Gunder Johnsen mentioed above.
Kåre Torgersen.
Not a relative but my lastname comes from Torger Torkildsen 1854-1916 in Sigdal
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Edited by - Kåarto on 05/04/2013 16:01:13 |
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Kimberly Robinson
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Posted - 05/04/2013 : 18:13:06
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Thank you everyone for the information. I have been looking under the last name Johnson and not Johnsen,( I guess I am new at doing this) I just had found under Family Search website a marriage between Gunder Johnsen and Marie Eriksdatter, marriage was 4/15/1883, Father for Gunder was John Torgerson and Marie's father is Erik Knudsen. Marriage took place in Sigdal, Buskerud, Norway.
My great grandfather was born in Norway his name was John Gunder Johnson born in 1885, there was a Christian born 1892, I don't see a Elen or a Gunhild though, I have the 1910 census and it lists Christ, Martin, Ragna, Gathred born all before 1900.
Kim |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 05/04/2013 : 18:43:33
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Your John was born Nov. 29. 1884, bap. Johan Gunnarsen Feb. 2. 1885.
His father was now rec. as "Inderst" Gunnar Jonsen Ramstad-eie, a sub farm under Ramstad, #8
"Inderst" means they lived on the farm and that one of them was related to the owners.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 05/04/2013 18:51:07 |
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Hopkins
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 05/04/2013 : 20:06:22
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The 1865 census for Sigdal where you can find John Torgersen and his family.
Start with few letters and use contains or starts with, you will find them in less than a minute.
If you want help with the scanned records, we are here to help you.
Good luck
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Edited by - Kåarto on 05/04/2013 20:36:32 |
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Kimberly Robinson
Starting member
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Posted - 06/04/2013 : 07:14:30
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| Thank you again! |
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lcpond
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Posted - 07/06/2014 : 03:02:32
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quote:
Originally posted by Kimberly Robinson
Hi, I am looking for my ggg grandfather, his name is John Torgerson, all I know is he was born in Norway, married to Christine and has a child named Gunder Johnson born 7-24-1860 in Norway and Gunder had moved to Minnesota and died 3-27-1948. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks. Kim
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lcpond
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Posted - 07/06/2014 : 03:05:19
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| The Gunder Johnson you are looking for is my great Grandpa. Unfortunately I know nothing about his parents. I would love any information that you may have. Gunder had a son named Fred, my grandpa, and Fred had a son named Gerhard. My dad. Gunder and his wife Mary are buried here in Clearwater county. I would love to hear from you. |
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