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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 22/04/2013 : 17:57:07
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Hi all you wonderful researchers,
I'm trying to help someone trace the family history of her ancestor Maren Janette Larson.
She was called "Nettie" and born about 1857- 1863 in Norway. Her father was Lars Olson Gilbeck.
She immigrated as a youngster ca 1870-1878 and is first found in USA in Dunn County, Wisconsin.
We've found the following USA records for Nettie that fit her family's oral history.
I've added records of a Norwegian family that might be Nettie's family. I based this on a burial in Wisconsin of a Lars Olson Gjelbekk.
The discussion of Nettie started on an Ancestry message board; I've transferred the findings here.
Your advice, additional information, and illumination are much appreciated!
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ABOUT NETTIE
Nettie Larsen married Ole Andreas Olson,
next married Oscar Olson.
Montana Death Index
Jenneattie Olson
Death Date: 12 Jan 1930
Death Place: Roosevelt County, Montana, USA
Age at time of death: 67 years old, 6 months, 7 days
Spouse Oscar Olson, informant
Father Lars Olson Gilbeck
Death record puts her birth at about 05 July 1863?
In the 1910 census Nettie is younger than in 1900, but family oral history says both records are correct.
1910
School District 17, Valley, Montana
Oscar Olson 29 head born about 1881 in Minnesota
Nettie Olson 40, wife, born about 1870 in Norway to USA 1870
Owen Olson 15, son, born about 1895 in North Dakota
David B Smith 45 lodger
1900 US Census
Township 151?, (Oberon), Benson County, North Dakota
Ole A. Olson 42 born Feb 1858? Norway, farmer, to USA 1862, 38 years in the US, naturalized
Mattie G.(?) Olson 42 wife born June 1858 in Norway, housework, to USA 1878
Bennie b 1880 in Wisconsin
Lenard P b 1882 in Wisconsin
Joseph M 16 born March 1884 in Wisconsin
Owens M b 1894 in North Dakota
BOARDERS
Louis Larsen 29
Ole Larsen 38 - both b Norway to USA 1878
Nettie's family identifies these boarders as her brothers; family oral history includes brothers of those names.
1880 US Census
Grant, Dunn, Wisconsin
Ole A. Olsen 22 born in Norway
Netta Olsen 23 born about 1857 in Norway
Bernhard Olsen age 0 born in Wisconsin, USA
Wisconsin Birth Record
Josef Mellen Olsen born 05 March 1883Christening Place: Faith Lutheran Church of Running Valley, Colfax, Dunn, Wisconsin
Father: Ole Andreas Olsen
Mother: Maren Janetta Olsen <--------------------
MARRIAGE RECORD
Ole Andreas Olsen
Nette Larsen
Date: 12 Oct 1879
Place: Faith Lutheran Church Of Running Valley, Colfax, Dunn, Wisconsin
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The HYPOTHETICAL FAMILY IN NORWAY
(records from Family Search)
MARRIAGE
Hurdal, Akershus, Norway
15 apr 1857
Lars Olsen, age 23, b abt 1834, father Ole Jochumsen
marries
Marie Poulsdr age 20, b abt 1837, father Poul Christiansen
BIRTH
02 June 1857
Baptism 14 Jun 1857
Maren Jonette Larsdatter
Feiring, Akershus, Norway
Father: Lars Olsen
Mother: Marie Poulsdr
More births in Feiring also listed with parents Lars Olsen and Marie Poulsdr:
26 Dec 1858 - Ole Larsen
01 Nov 1860 - Agathon Larsen
26 Jul 1863 - Laurids Larsen
29 Sep 1864 - Jorgine Caroline Larsdatter
08 Jan 1868 - Johannes Larsen
24 Jun 1870 - Christian Olsen
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HYPOTHETICAL FAMILY GOES TO AMERICA
Norwegian Emigration Database
Name: Lars Olsen Gillebak*
Age: 38
Sex: m
Passenger on: Bark Edda 1872, from Christiania Apr. 24 to Quebec May 28 Source: NAC C-4527 list 25 - Transcribed by Ann Osmundson Berrie - 2002
EMIGRATION
Departed Christiania 26 April 1873 on the ship Edda
Arrived Quebec 04 June 1873
Last residence Hurdal
Destination Sparta [probably = Sparta, Monroe, Wisconsin]
Marie Paulsdatter 36 Farmers wife
Maren Janette Larsdatter, 11½ daughter
Ole Larsen 10 son
Agaton Larsen 8½ son
Laurits Larsen 7 son
Jørgine Larsdatter 5 daughter
Johannes Larsen 3½ son
Christian Larsen infant son
IMMIGRATION
I've found the corresponding record for Lars arriving in Quebec. Ditto for Marie and children:
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Marie Paulsdatter
Gender: Female
Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Date of Arrival: 30 May 1873
Vessel: Edda
Port of Departure: Christiania, Norway
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LARS OLSON FAMILY IN AMERICA
The following 1880 US census lists the children of this family as Olson, but I think that's a mistake stemming from their father's name of Olson. I'd appreciate your comment on that.
1880 US Census
Portland, Monroe, Wisconsin
Lars Olson 46 born about 1834 in Norway
Maria Olson 41 born about 1839 in Norway
Agerton Olson 19
Louis Olson 16
Jany Olson 15 [maybe = Jorgine Caroline]
Christian Olson 9 born in Norway
Lina Olson 6 born in Wisconsin
Thilla Olson 2 Born in Wisconsin
Find a Grave lists the following burials that I believe may be for the above couple:
Lars Olson Gjelbekk 1833-1917
Marie Paulsdatter Roise Gjelbekk 1837-1882
burial Skogdalen Cemetery, Vernon County, Wisconsin
The name Marie Bramerud is also on the grave marker of this couple, with no dates (a daughter? a second wife for Lars?)
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LARS OLSON DAUGHTER "LINA"
I include the following info for Lina because here the name "Gelbeck" pops up.
MARRIAGE
03 January 1895
Westby, Vernon, Wisconsin
Lina Larson, born Portland, Monroe, Wisconsin
Father: Lars Olson
marries
Mathias Fremstad, born Coon Valley, Vernon, Wisconsin, parents Torger Fremstad, Marthe Fremstad
1900 US CensusPortland, Monroe, Wisconsin
Mathias Fremslad 41
Lina Fremslad 26 born April 1874 in Wisconsin
children Milton T age 5, Lorenda M age 2, Ruben A and Ruth A, twins, 1 month
1920 US Census
Portland, Monroe, Wisconsin
Matt Fremstad 60 born about 1860 in Wisconsin
Lena Fremstad 45 born about 1875 in Wisconsin
Melton S age 24, Loranda M 22, Ruben A 19, Ruth I. 19, Edgar N 13
Still in Portland, Monroe, Wisconsin in 1930 and 1940 census.
from Find a Grave:
Lena Gelbeck Fremstad born 1874 died 1947 <---------------------
Burial: Moen Cemetery, Cashton, Monroe County, Wisconsin
Also buried at Moen Cemetery is Mathiew Fremstad 1859-1940 and four of the Fremstad children with names and birth years that match the census
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Again, we are seeking the correct Norwegian family for Maren Janette "Nettie" Larson (married name Olson) - whoever they may be.
Thanks so much.
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Edited by - JaneC on 22/04/2013 18:18:45 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/04/2013 : 21:18:57
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Immediately comes to mind that there are several printed records & county records which might assist you.
History of Coon Valley published about 1927 or so.
Centennial History of Oberon, North Dakota
Obits for siblings (Rowberg file or some other)
Estate settlement for Lars Olson Gjelbekk
The radical reduction in age is a bit of a puzzle but perhaps explained to "close" the gap in ages between Nettie and husband #2. Otherwise it might be some kind of census taker error either in the original or in the transcription / interpretation. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/04/2013 : 21:25:12
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Passenger list 1873 - bark Edda.
Departure Christiania April 26th, 1873
Arrival: Quebec June 4th, 1873
Marie Paulsdatter 36 Farmers wife - Residence Hurdal - Destination Sparta
Maren Janette Larsdatter 11½ daughter - Residence Hurdal - Destination Sparta
Ole Larsen 10 son - Residence Hurdal - Destination Sparta
Agaton Larsen 8½ son - Residence Hurdal - Destination Sparta
Laurits Larsen 7 son - Residence Hurdal - Destination Sparta
Jørgine Larsdatter 5 daughter - Residence Hurdal - Destination Sparta
Johannes Larsen 3½ son - Residence Hurdal - Destination Sparta
Christian Larsen infant son - Residence Hurdal - Destination Sparta
I think you have found the correct family, coming from Hurdal in Akershus county.
Marie Paulsdatter was named Røise, and there is a Røise farm in Hurdal.
I'm not sure where Lars Olsen got the name Gilbeck from?
Different spellings of the farmname:
Gelbeck
Gilbeck
Gillebak
Gjelbekk
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/04/2013 : 23:07:13
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quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
The radical reduction in age is a bit of a puzzle but perhaps explained to "close" the gap in ages between Nettie and husband #2. Otherwise it might be some kind of census taker error either in the original or in the transcription / interpretation.
Thank you so much for the ideas for further research. Definitely worth pursuing!
About the radical reduction in age, yes Nettie could be deliberately misstating her age. Certainly the earlier records are more credible re. her date of birth. Oscar (#2 husband) was brother to one of Nettie's son's wife. Not sure if this makes it more - or less - likely she would lie.
Have you thoughts on the discrepancy between the date of birth given on the death certificate versus the date of birth in Norway for the "candidate" Nettie?
I have had no luck tracing the other Larson siblings (aka Olson in 1880). If I had found them, they might provide a clue.
Thanks again for the info and for commenting! |
Edited by - JaneC on 22/04/2013 23:25:17 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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3020 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2013 : 23:14:47
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quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg
I think you have found the correct family, coming from Hurdal in Akershus county.
Marie Paulsdatter was named Røise, and there is a Røise farm in Hurdal.
I'm not sure where Lars Olsen got the name Gilbeck from?
Different spellings of the farmname:
Gelbeck
Gilbeck
Gillebak
Gjelbekk
Jan Peter
Thank you for the research, and also thanks for the comment/advice! My confidence in this Wisconsin-Norway connection is much increased by the fact that you find it credible.
I had not found Røise farm, so yes that is additional evidence that the family in Wisconsin is the family from Hurdal. That hint also definitely helps link the grave marker to the family in the census.
Do you think as I do, that the 1880 census shows a bunch of "Olson" children who grew up and used the surname "Larson"?
In the marriage record for Lina Larson, her father's name is listed as Lars Olson. (though Lina Larson could be a name from a first marriage.)
The bevy of siblings in the 1880 census are unknown to Nettie's family. Plus the surname in the 1880 census is wrong, Plus I'm saying Lars Olson in the census also has the name Gjelbekk, which is not shown in the census. Plus Nettie's surname is Larson. It's a lot of discrepancies for an American descendant to swallow. 
I too am wondering about that name Gilbeck. That is the tie between Nettie (who dies in Montana), and the couple buried in Wisconsin, and the family in Norway. I posted an emigration record for Lars Olsen Gilbeck - I see the name Gilbeck in the transcription but not in the original document.
The name Gilbeck does not appear in the immigration record, arriving Quebec. The voyage date and name of the ship make it apparent which immigration record is correct.
Do I understand you, that there is no Gjelbekk, Gelbeck, Gilbeck farm where Lars might come from?
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Edited by - JaneC on 22/04/2013 23:28:52 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/04/2013 : 23:31:53
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The family in census 1865.
Røyse and Brosshaug (modern spelling) are neighbouring farms in Feiring, Hurdal, Akershus.
There are no farm named Gilbeck or similar nearby, They must have lived on such a farm before Lars' emigration in 1872.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/04/2013 : 23:44:46
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Lars Olsen and Marie Poulsdatter were married April 15 1857, #2.
Maren Jonette was born June 2 1857,
Ole was born Oct 31 1858,
Agathon was born Nov 1 1860,
Laurits was born July 26 1863.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/04/2013 : 23:47:24
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Lars Olsens parents and siblings in 1865.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/04/2013 : 23:49:58
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Marie Poulsdatters parents in 1865.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/04/2013 : 23:55:30
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There is a farm named Glabak just north of Feiring, in Eidsvoll, Akershus.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/04/2013 : 23:56:02
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quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg
The family in census 1865.
Røyse and Brosshaug (modern spelling) are neighbouring farms in Feiring, Hurdal, Akershus.
There are no farm named Gilbeck or similar nearby, They must have lived on such a farm before Lars' emigration in 1872.
Jan Peter
Thank you! So delicious to see the family in the census that way!
About the farm Røyse: That does it - I am now convinced 100% that the 1880 census in Wisconsin is correct. The first names of all people in the family corresponds to the family in Norway, along with ages, plus the immigration record lists the family traveling to the nearest large town in Wisconsin. The "Olson" siblings in 1880 used the surname Larson as adults - or at least Nettie and Lina did, and likely Louis/Laurits and Ole.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/04/2013 : 00:00:04
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Wow - thank you everyone - it is affirming to see the Norwegian census!!!!
> "There is a farm named Glabak just north of Feiring, in Eidsvoll, Akershus. -- Jan Peter" <
Sold! I'll take it!
1865 Census in Hurdalen (as posted for us; Marie Poulsdatter's parents)
everyone in family born in Hurdalen
Poul Christenson, Huusfader, Gaardbr. and Selveier, married, age 63, born in Hurdalen, ..?..?...?
Marthe Jorgensdatter, his wife, age 68, born in Hurdalen
Christian Poulson, their son, age 34, hjelper Faderen med Gaardsbruget (helps his dad on the farm) (?)
Another family also listed in another household - wife is Inger Poulsdatter, could be sister to Marie Poulsdatter. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/04/2013 : 00:03:19
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Re the Olson vs Larson dustup:
As they acclimated to Yankee styles a family might gradually or abruptly change their name usage. In Norway they were all Lars sons/ datters. Over here someone asks your father's last name and the assumption is that it will be the same as his (if you are male or an unmarried female) He was an Olson therefore your father's son must be Olson, too. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/04/2013 : 00:07:51
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quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
Re the Olson vs Larson dustup:
As they acclimated to Yankee styles a family might gradually or abruptly change their name usage. In Norway they were all Lars sons/ datters. Over here someone asks your father's last name and the assumption is that it will be the same as his (if you are male or an unmarried female) He was an Olson therefore your father's son must be Olson, too.
Yes - applause - thank you for explaining the Norwegian way! That was my sense of it, but it's a hard sell, when I'm saying I'm no expert...
Also thanks for the enjoyable use of the word "dustup." 
I'll continue to transcribe, if you all don't mind, as that will help the person I am trying to help.
1865 in Hurdalen on Braadshaug farm
Lars Olson, age 32, huusfader, Husmand med Jord (he owns land), born in Hurdalen
Maria Paulsdatter, his wife, age 29, born in Hurdalen
Nella Larsdatter, age 9, born in Hurdalen <-------------------
Agathon Larson, age 5, born in Hurdalen
Ole Larson, age 4, their son
Laurits Larson, age 3, born in Hurdalen
Tina Larsdatter, age 2, their daughter, born in Hurdalen
NELLA LARSDATTER!
Love it. Thank you! 
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/04/2013 : 00:27:37
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I am searching the internet for the research resources suggested. (Some will not be online of course.) An example of excellent background material, here, re settlement of Norwegians in Coon Valley:
LINK:
http://www.naha.stolaf.edu/pubs/nas/volume18new/vol18_5.htm
I have the place names noted wrong or not noted in transcriptions, need to fix.
1865 census for Lars's parents
nordre Feiring, Hurdalen, on Rømerudeie farm
Ole Jokomson, age 66, Husfader, Husmand med Jord (farmer and he owns his land?), born in Hurdalens Prgj (= Hurdalens Prestegjeld?)
Maria Haakonsdatter, age 61, his wife, born in Hurdalens Prgj
Ole Olson, age 22, their son, Jordarb. born in Hurdalens Prgj
Martin Olson, age 15, their son, born in Hurdalens Prgj
Ole K. Jonson, age 2, their daughter's son, born in Hurdalens Prgj
Karen Olsdatter, age 28, their daughter, born in Hurdalens Prgj
Inger M. Olsdatter, age 25, their daughter, born in Hurdalens Prgj |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/04/2013 : 00:45:17
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quote:
Originally posted by JaneC
, Husmand med Jord (farmer and he owns his land?),
Husmand = cotter or like US sharecropper
med jord = with land means the farmer owner lets him have a small piece with which to grow vegetables, grain, hay or such |
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Maren Janette Larson b 1857-1863 imm to Wisconsin
