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stevehogseth
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 Posted - 01/05/2013 : 07:33:49
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| I thought it best to make a new posting for this item. Peter Hogseth, born January 30, 1880. (I assume he was born in Norway.) He died, likely in Minnesota, USA, on February, 1964. His wife's name was Emilie. He had a daughter named Ragna Sylvie Hogseth, born in Minnesota 5/1/1909, died 3/27/2010. I need help in finding if Peter (likely Peder in Norway?) was indeed born in Norway, and his parents and grandparents on the Hogseth side. Specifically I am wondering if he might be a nephew of my grandfather, Martin P. Hogseth? Thanks much! |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/05/2013 : 10:27:28
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#23 Peder
Born 30 Jan 1880
Chr 29 Mar 1880, Elverum, Hedmark
Parents: Carpenter Johan Pedersen Hougset b. 1851 & Martea Pedersdr b.1858
Source: Hedmark county, Elverum, Parish register (official) nr. 13 (1880-1890), Birth and baptism records 1880, page 3.
#27 Marriage 21 Sep 1879, Elverum, Hedmark
Carpenter Johan Pedersen Hougset b. 1851 & girl Martea Pedersdr Holen b. 1858
His father: Peder Johnsen
Her father: Peder Pedersen
Source: Hedmark county, Elverum, Parish register (official) nr. 11 (1869-1879), Marriage records 1879, page 272.
Peter Hogseth's father is an older brother to Martin, see Census-1865. So yes, he was a nephew of your grandfather Martin P. Hogseth.
Census-1910 for Minneapolis Ward 3, Hennepin, Minnesota
Peter Hochstedt, b. 1883, Norway. Immigration: 1905
Amelia Hochstedt, b. 1879, Norway. Immigration: 1907. (Emilie Syversen)
Rangna Hochstedt, b. 1909, Minnesota
Peder Johansen Hogset (26), emigration from Oslo on 22 JUN 1906
Peder Hayseth (26) arrived Boston, MA on 05 JUL 1906.
PEDER HOGSETH & EMELIE SYVERSEN
Marriage 14 Nov 1908, Hennepin, Minnesota
RAGNA SALVEIG HOGSETH
Date of Birth: 01 MAY 1909
Mother Maiden Name: SYVERSON
CERTID# 1909-41277
County of Birth: HENNEPIN
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stevehogseth
Junior member
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Posted - 02/05/2013 : 19:29:37
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| Thanks for this info Jan Peter. With what you gave me I was able to make further confirmations here in the USA. --Steve |
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stevehogseth
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Posted - 14/05/2013 : 21:45:52
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| By the immigration records, it shows Peder traveling with a Ruth Hogseth (spelled Hogset), arriving Boston MA, USA July 22, 1906. I assume she was his sister of Peder; can somebody help me verify if she was his sister and if she stayed permanently in the USA, or went back to Norway? I know Peder went to Minneapolis, Minnesota, but Ruth's trail is unknown. Thank you! |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 14/05/2013 : 22:21:51
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Ruth Agneta Hogset is listed as his wife.
ancestry.com also have this record:
U.S. Naturalization Records Indexes, 1794-1995
Immigration & Travel
NAME: Peter Hogseth
SPOUSE: Ruth A
BIRTH: date - location
CIVIL: Massachusetts
Census-1910 for Lynn Ward 7, Essex, Massachusetts
SELF Peter Hogseth M 30y Norway
WIFE Ruth Hogseth F 26y Sweden
SON William N Hogseth M y 6m Massachusetts
Census-1940 for Saugus Town, Essex, Massachusetts, United States.
Head Peter P Hogseth M 60 Norway
Wife Ruth A Hogseth F 56 Sweden
Son Clifford L Hogseth M 24 Massachusetts
Daughter-in-law Mabel M Hogseth F 24 Massachusetts
Niece Carol A Hogseth F 1 Massachusetts
Son Willy N Hogseth M 30 Massachusetts
Brother-in-law Oscar C Johnson M 54 Sweden
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stevehogseth
Junior member
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Posted - 15/05/2013 : 03:10:04
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| Hi Jan Peter, Looking at your reply, there seems to be a contradiction between the information you provided on May 1, and the information on this May 14 posting. The May 1 posting listed Peder Johan Hogset, and there you mentioned he was a nephew of Martin Hogseth, and that he married Emilie Syverson in 1908 in Hennipin County, Minnesota, and further they had a daughter Ragna Salveig Hogseth. This information is correct, and it helped me find the daughter of Ragna, and I have since had phone calls and email exchanges with her. Unfortunately she knows very little of Hogseth family history; she had never heard of me or any of my siblings, parents, or grandparents until I called her. Further, the immigration ship log shows both Peder and Ruth coming from Elverum, Norway. As such, Peder could not have been married to Ruth, and lived with her in Massachusetts in 1910 and 1940, with him being in Minnesota all those years. It would seem that either there are two Peder Hogseth's or the records are wrong. Might there be another Norwegian census that would show the family with Johan Pedersen Hougset (aka Hogset, or Hogseth) with his children, of whom Pedr (Peter) would be one. One other son was named John. Perhaps a Ruth is listed there? I very much appreciate your help in this request. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/05/2013 : 15:21:36
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Going back to the first response, yes, there were 2 entries of migrants named Peder Hogseth given to you. Jan Peter gave you both along with other identifying information. It's not a conflict which he should resolve but part of what your genealogical analysis is about, figuring out who is the "right" one.
There is another census the 1891 which is browseable but doesn't yet have a search engine. It is found at the digitalarkivet site. Each person is on their own page, so you must let your fingers do the walking. Searches in it are therefore labor-intensive. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/05/2013 : 15:51:33
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Originally posted by stevehogseth
I thought it best to make a new posting for this item. Peter Hogseth, born January 30, 1880. (I assume he was born in Norway.) He died, likely in Minnesota, USA, on February, 1964. Specifically I am wondering if he might be a nephew of my grandfather, Martin P. Hogseth? Thanks much!
Where did you get the birth information and then where did you get the death information?
Here is the baptismal record for the Massachusetts Peder, #23:
Source information: Hedmark county, Elverum, Parish register (official) nr. 13 (1880-1890), Birth and baptism records 1880, page 3.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6047&idx_id=6047&uid=ny&idx_side=-6
The Peder in Massachusetts was in the old man draft registration in the early 1940s and he gives his birth date as 30 Jan 1880.
The Peder Hogseth in the SSDI that died in 1964 was the Massachusetts Peder:
18.Peter Hogseth
Born: 1880 Died: 1964
State of last residence: Massachusetts
State issued: Massachusetts |
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jkmarler
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stevehogseth
Junior member
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Posted - 17/05/2013 : 01:47:31
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| I appreciate the feedback, and I have received some supporting info from a relative. I talked with Peter's great-granddaughter in the past day, and she had some old family notes that said Peter was born September 14, 1985, and died August 18, 1960. But she really knew nothing of Peter's heritage or his Norway-based family, other than sketchy information. I doubt the accuracy of her noted 1885 birth year. That she gave me the September 14 date was huge, in that the same month and day jkmarler just provided adds credibility. Also, I know Ole Pedersen was a brother of Martin Hogseth (my grandfather), so I believe the info is now accurate. Thank you all! --Steve |
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stevehogseth
Junior member
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Posted - 17/05/2013 : 05:23:36
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| I have further reviewed all this information, and while I initially found the information rather confusing, I now believe that BOTH Johan Pedersen Hogseth and his brother Ole Pedersen Hogseth may each have had sons named Peder. Johan's son Peder born Jan 30, 1880 and Ole's son, Peder born Sept 14, 1883. It looks as though the elder Peder was already married (to Ruth) and immigrated to Massachussetts June 22, 1906 and the younger Peder immigrated in 1905, settling in Minnesota. With the two Peder Hogseth's can somebody help me confirm that BOTH had fathers Johan and Ole Hogseth, both from Elverum? It seems that might be the case?? Thanks much! --Steve |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/05/2013 : 05:35:55
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Yes. There are two similar Peter Hogseths - Massachusetts Peter (1880-1964) and Minnesota Peter (1883-1960). Yours is Minnesota Peter.
Both Peters are born in Elverum.
Massachusetts Peter's parents are Johan Pederson Hougset and Marte as stated above.
Minnesota Peter's parents are Ole Pederson Hougset and Berte Olsdatr. (if I read the record correctly)
If the fathers (Ole and Johan) are brothers was not discussed.
A confusion came from the wrong opening data. Good example of why each fact should have a source attached.
Some more just for the heck of it....
World War I draft registration
Minneapolis, Hennepin, Minnesota
Peter Olson Hogseth
Born 14 Sep 1883 <---------------------------------------------------------
Occupation: car carpenter, Omaha NW Ry Co [ a railroad company?]
nearest relative: Amelia S. Hogseth, wife
Address 245 21st Ave N ? [hard to read]
1920
Minneapolis, Hennepin, Minnesota
Peter Hogseth 36, born about 1884 in Norway, laborer plumbing, USA 1905
Emila Hogseth, 39, born about 1881 in Norway, to USA 1907
"Kadne" born about 1910 in Minnesota [original handwriting says Ragna]
1930
Minneapolis, Hennepin, Minnesota
Peter O Hogseth 46, born about 1884 in Norway, age when married 24, carpenter for the railroad, to USA 1905
Amelia Hogseth 51, b Norway, age when married 29, to USA 1907
Ragna S Hogseth 20 b Minnesota
Helen L Hanson 20 lodger
wierd 1940 census:
1940
Minneapolis, Hennepin, Minnesota
Address: 4730 Girard Avenue
Pedro Hogseth 66, born about 1874 in Norway, naturalized, laborer, railroad yards - - - as indexed. Original clearly says Peder. Age should say 56.
Amillie Hogseth 60, born about 1880 in Norway
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stevehogseth
Junior member
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Posted - 17/05/2013 : 05:57:59
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| Yes, this gets confusing. My whole search started by looking for a Ragna Hogseth, as she and my father (Walter) knew each other in their younger years. The search for her was a success, as I have recently talked with her daughter. We both go back to Peder Johnsen Hogseth (b.1821) and his wife Marte Olds (b.1822). They had seven children: Johan, Jens, Ole, Peder, Martin (my grandfather), Juline and Amelia. I am not sure of the WWI records, but since his father was Ole, the name Peter Olson Hogseth seems logical. The one in Massachussetts may also be related to me in the very same lineage. I am quite certain the Minnesota married Emilie Syverson. The Massachussetts Peder is a new discovery for me, and now I believe he might be equally related. So while the one in Minnesota might be "mine," the one in Massachussetts might also be "mine." |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/05/2013 : 06:04:22
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True. I guessed it might be so.
There is a Hans Hogseth born 1879 in Norway in Saint Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota - wife Emma. See census records and MnHs and Find a Grave.
Access many relevant records on Family Search. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/05/2013 : 22:40:47
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I added the information from the World War I draft registration, above - Peter Olson Hogseth in Minneapolis was born 14 September 1883, so the correct Peter was identified in Norway by the marvelous Norway researchers. :D
California Death Index [archived on Ancestry.com]
Peter O Hogseth
Social Security #:
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 14 Sep 1884 <---------------------------
Death Date: 15 Aug 1960
Death Place: San Bernardino
Mother's Maiden Name: Solberg
California Death Index
Emelie S Hogseth
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 29 Sep 1876
Death Date: 19 Aug 1961
Death Place: San Bernardino
Mother's Maiden Name: Olsrud
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/05/2013 : 22:53:21
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Here is the old man draft in World War II USA that was mentioned previously, for Massachusetts Peter:
Peter Hogseth
Birth Date: 30 Jan 1880
Birth Place: Elverum, Norway
Residence: 6 Hemingway Road, Saugus, Essex, Massachusetts
Person who will always know your address: Mrs. Ruth A Hogseth
Occupation: works for General Electric, Western Aven, Linn, Massachusetts
For "Middle Name" this Peter specifically puts "None"
World War I draft registration for Massachusetts Peter:
Name: Peter Hogseth
Stoneham, Middlesex, Massachusetts
Birth Date: 30 Jan 1880
Social Security Death Index
Name: Peter Hogseth
SSN:
Last Residence: Massachusetts
Born: 30 Jan 1880
Died: Feb 1964
1930 US Census
Saugus, Essex, Massachusetts
Peter Hagseth 50 b Norway to USA 1903, pattern maker, electric xxxx [hard to read]
Ruth Hagseth 46
Willie N Hagseth 20
Clifford Hagseth 14
1940 census posted above, Peter is still a patternmaker, still at 6 Hemingway Road in Saugus
MARRIAGE
Name: Willy N Hogseth
Gender: Male
Residence: E Saugus, Massachusetts
Spouse's Name: Georgia M Young
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Residence: Swampscott, MA
Marriage Date: 6 Jul 1940
Marriage Place: Maine, USA
Massachusetts Death Index
Name: Willy N Hogseth
Certificate: 024824
Death Place: Saugus
Death Date: 11 Mar 1985
Birth Place: Massachusetts
Birth Date: 20 Oct 1909
all of the above from Ancestry.com |
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