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tedwinter
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Posted - 06/05/2013 :  00:50:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Two Dale brothers were Mathias (Matt) and Engle.
Matt Johannsen Dale was born June 1876, came to America in 1898 and married Bertha Anderson and lived in Minneapolis, MN and died after 1940.
Engle Dale was born May 1880/81, came to America in 1903 and married Marie J. Valaker and lived in Minneapolis, MN and died 1934
Need to know their parents' names. So far. Gloppen, Sogn og Fjordane. I did not find anything in www.arkivverkt.no.

Mary J. Valaker (Nov. 1878) I caught her birth place, Indiviken. Where?.

Need help. Thanks, Ted for Sam Dale who lives in Kansas.
Ted Winter

AntonH
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Posted - 06/05/2013 :  02:32:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Would this be the family. I have left out the children.

920 United States Federal Census
Name: Engle Dale
Age: 40
Birth Year: abt 1880
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1920: Minneapolis Ward 12, Hennepin, Minnesota
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1903
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Marie E Dale
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/05/2013 :  03:08:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Might be a good birth date for hm.

U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: Engle Dale
City: Minneapolis
County: Hennepin
State: Minnesota
Birth Date: 2 May 1880
Race: White
Draft Board: 12
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JaneC
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Posted - 06/05/2013 :  03:08:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It may be you can find the names of the parents in a marriage or death record - or perhaps you've tried that?

MATHIAS Mathias Dale married Bertha Anderson 03 September 1908 in Hennepin Avenue - Minnesota marriage certificate # 01300047

Per Minnesota death index at Minnesota Historical Society, Mathew and Bertha died on the same day.

DALE, MATHEW J.
Date of Birth: 26 JUN 1878
Place of Birth: OUT OF STATE
Mother Maiden Name:
CERTID# 1961-MN-025655
Date of Death: 13 SEP 1961
County of Death: HENNEPIN

DALE, BERTHA
Date of Birth: 15 AUG 1879
Place of Birth: OUT OF STATE
Mother Maiden Name:
CERTID# 1961-MN-007038
Date of Death: 13 SEP 1961
County of Death: HENNEPIN


1940
Minneapolis, Hennepin, Minnesota
Matthew S Dale 60 b abt 1880 Norway, tile setter
Bertha Dale 55
William J Dale 30 b Minnesota
Arthur R Dale 28 b Minnesota
George E Dale 22 b Minnesota
Kenneth N Dale 16 b Minnesota
Gordon S Dale 12 b Minnesota

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Engell M Dale married Marie J Walsker 04 May 1907 in Hennepin County, Minnesota, Minnesota marriage certificate # 01200395

Minnesota death index
DALE, ENGLE A.
Date of Birth: NA
Place of Birth: NA
Mother Maiden Name: NA
CERTID# 1934-MN-023395
Date of Death: 31 DEC 1934
County of Death: HENNEPIN

Minnesota marriage records can be ordered at www.mncounty.com
Minnesota death records can be ordered at www.mnhs.org
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/05/2013 :  03:31:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There is a Family Tree on Ancestry.com that lists the father and mother as Halvor Jonsson Dale and Agathe Olsdtr Bruvik. That would likely be this family from the 1900 Norwegian Census. I do not see a Engle Dale in this family in this census.

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1900&knr=1251&kenr=006&bnr=0029&lnr=00
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/05/2013 :  04:23:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Perhaps Mathias leaving Norway

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=26&filnamn=EMIBERG&gardpostnr=38638&merk=38638#ovre
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/05/2013 :  04:31:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a candidate for Mathias. See #16

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6851&idx_id=6851&uid=ny&idx_side=-23

I would view the Family Tree I reference earlier as somewhat suspect.
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/05/2013 :  04:52:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A candidate for Engle, See #32.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6851&idx_id=6851&uid=ny&idx_side=-29

Same father and mother as the Mathias above. However the birth date is not May or June but October.
Edited by - AntonH on 06/05/2013 06:28:34
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/05/2013 :  06:13:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Perhaps this is Mathias arriving in the United States. One reason for thinking so is that Anton and Alfred Fotland are next to him as they are also in the Emigrant from Bergen posted above. His destination is Wasburn Wisconsin.

Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1954
Name: Martinus Johansen
Arrival Date: 18 Apr 1898
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Ship Name: Numidian
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Residence Place: Bjornar
Age: 20
Birth Date: abt 1878
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: Norwegian
Record Type: Manifests
Line Number: 24
Edited by - AntonH on 06/05/2013 06:43:40
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Kċarto
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Posted - 06/05/2013 :  14:44:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tedwinter


Mary J. Valaker (Nov. 1878) I caught her birth place, Indiviken. Where?.

Indviken was Innvik

(Eline) Marie born Nov. 4. bap. Nov. 10. 1878 to Jacob Andersen (36) and Birthe Lassdatter (39) Valager, #16

Valaker 1900
Jacob Andersen and Brite/Birthe Larsdatter and Marie b. 1878


Servant maid Eline Marie Jacobsdatter Valaker em to Minneapolis, Minnesota via Bergen town July 24. 1906 link

I believe Anne Jacobsdatter b. 1866 married to Bertel Martinussen Valaker with 4 childre with lastname Bertelsen is Maries older sister

Kċre
Edited by - Kċarto on 06/05/2013 23:50:24
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JaneC
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Posted - 06/05/2013 :  21:17:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Another family tree on Ancestry.com lists
Haldor Jonsson Dale
Birth 1837 in Dale, Vaksdal, Hordaland
Death 1926 in Dale, Vaksdal, Hordaland

wife
Agate Olsdtr.Bruvik b 1844

Children listed are John Haldorsson Dale b 1865 and Johan Haldorsson Dale b 1869

=====================
a little more from the USA showing some variation in the name spellings

1900
Foster Township, Faribault, Minnesota
in the household of G. D. Reed
a Mathias Dale age 21, born June 1879 in Norway, to USA 1897

1905 - Wisconsin State Census
Osceola, Polk, Wisconsin
Eva B Amer 68
Drestine Amer 42
Nettie O Amer 23
Willie A Amer 20
Cleveland G Amer 18
Ella A Amer 13
Emma S Lindberg 16
Matt Johnson Dale 26 born in Norway, gardener (?)
Arne Peterson 20
John A Olvan 40
Chas Braum 20
Noah Nelson 43
Ingel Dale 24 boarder, born in Norway, gardener (?)

1910
Minneapolis, Hennepin, Minnesota
Matihaias Dale 32 born about 1878 in Norway, to USA 1897
Bertha Dale 26 born Sweden to USA 1901
William J Dale 11 months old

In 1911, at 3331 34th Avenue South (near Mathias) in Minneapolis
death of a child of Ingeld Dale and Marie Valaker (Borghild Marie Irene Dale, under two months old)

1918 World War I Draft Registration
Matheas Johanneson Dale, age 40
Minneapolis, Hennepin, Minnesota
Address: 3348 34th Avenue South
Birth Date: 26 Jun 1878
Race: White
Naturalized U.S. Citizen
Occupation: Machinist, Minneapolis Steel and Manufacturing Co.
Wife: Bertha Dale
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/05/2013 :  22:04:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is the confirmation of Reiel Johanesson Dale.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2056&idx_id=2056&uid=ny&idx_side=-121
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jwiborg
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Posted - 06/05/2013 :  22:05:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40

A candidate for Engle, See #32.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6851&idx_id=6851&uid=ny&idx_side=-29

Same father and mother as the Mathias above. However the birth date is not May or June but October.
Reiel Johannesen Dale from Gloppen (born 18 Oct 1880) was a teacher in Bremanger in 1910/1911.

Jan Peter
Edited by - jwiborg on 06/05/2013 22:07:17
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/05/2013 :  22:19:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think we can eliminate Reiel Dale as a candidate for Engle Dale, since I have found Reiel in the 1910 Norwegian Census. Since Engle was quite likely living in the US by then it is unlikely the same person. Perhaps we can also eliminate the Mathias who is his brother.

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1910&knr=1438&kenr=011&bnr=0011&lnr=00
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/05/2013 :  22:31:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is another possibility, Birth date is May 2, 1880. Ingelbright Andreas Monsen. From the Gloppen Konfirmation Records. See #16. Parents are Mons Pedersson and Berthe Ingelbrightsdatter.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2975&idx_id=2975&uid=ny&idx_side=-21
Edited by - AntonH on 06/05/2013 22:41:25
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jwiborg
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Posted - 06/05/2013 :  22:43:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ingebrigt Andreas Monsen Dale (23), leaving Bergen on 20 Apr 1903. He arrived New York on The Ivernia on May 06, 1903.
His destination was friend Mr. Sandberg in Brieslyn, Minn.

The marriage record in 1907 calls him ENGELL M DALE.

Jan Peter
Edited by - jwiborg on 06/05/2013 22:44:32
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