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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 04/06/2013 : 23:47:11
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In case you have not seen thie. This is likely the family in the 1870 US Census. Ellef here is listed as Elef.
1870 United States Federal Census
Name: M Ole Oleson
Age in 1870: 43
Birth Year: abt 1827
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1870: Acton, Meeker, Minnesota
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Swede Grove
Value of real estate:
Household Members:
Name Age
M Ole Oleso
1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Elef Oleson
Age in 1870: 6
Birth Year: abt 1864
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1870: Acton, Meeker, Minnesota
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Swede Grove
Value of real estate:
Household Members:
Name Age
Elef Oleson
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Ted Rolles
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2013 : 01:02:54
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Ok so not sure what to make of all this as both the following census and Ellefs gravestone has his birth as 1862. And his immigration to the USA in 1863
There is always a lot of conflicting data among all the records one finds, however I think the records clearly show that the family arrived in Quebec in 1865, (see my posting of the immigration record on page 2 and even better Jackies posting of the orgianl immigration record) and Ellef was born on Oct 14, 1864
The date on Jackies posting, which can be seen on page 9, looks to me to be May, 1865, but it is clearliy 1865. |
Edited by - AntonH on 05/06/2013 01:13:04 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 05/06/2013 : 03:27:03
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Only people with an Ancestry subscription can see what records you think are in conflict.
Conflict resolution often has to be done in genealogical pursuit.
His headstone might not be, having been created for the purpose of memorializing his death, as accurate as to his birth date as it might be for the record of his death date.
Sometimes a headstone might be the only indication you have as to a person's birth date but in this case, as in others you should examine the multitude of records on him before accepting a single record as "sure" of any given fact on a person.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2013 : 05:48:44
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Here is the Rolles information from www.dalbydata.com:
ROLLES MARTIN O. 04/MAR/1827 03/APR/1893 981 ME 36 ADA 1 SP: KAREN OLSON ROLLES
ROLLES KAREN 10/OCT/1824 11/JAN/1903 981 ME 36 ADA 1 SP: MARTIN O. ROLLES NEE: OLSON BORN HOLMESTRAND NORWAY
Karen's death record at www.usgenweb.com for Norman county, Minnesota webpage, name, date of death, year of death, index #, book, page, line:
Olson, Karen Olia Rolles Jan. 11 1903 1 2 25 16
If you haven't already done, you might want to search US homesteads of the Rolles', Martin took a homestead in McHenry County, (now North Dakota, then Dakota Territory) as did Ellef in McHenry county and Roseau county, Minnesota:
www.glorecords.blm.gov |
Edited by - jkmarler on 05/06/2013 14:03:13 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 05/06/2013 : 09:50:51
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You are right Anton.
They left Porsgrunn with Laurdal April 8. and arrived Quebec Mai 22. 1865, see passengers #110-119
Recidence; Holmestrand, Holmestrand and Botne is the same municipality.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 05/06/2013 09:53:45 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 05/06/2013 : 15:59:01
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The link that Ted posted for Ancestry.com was the 1900 US Census. Ted you can show the summary of the data by clicking on View Printer Friendly, then highlight the part you want to show and click copy, go to Norway Heritage and click paste. The 1900 Census has his birth year of 1862 and immigration year as 1863. Both are incorrect.
A link to the document was posted earlier by Hopkins using the Family Search program.
1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Ellef M Rolles
[Ellen M Rolles]
Age: 37
Birth Date: Oct 1862
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1900: Soler, Roseau, Minnesota
[Roseau]
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1863
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Clara M Rolles
Marriage Year: 1892
Years Married: 8
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Occupation:
Household Members:
Name Age
Ellef M Rolles 37
Clara M Rolles 24
Emel M Rolles 4
Marten M Rolles 1 |
Edited by - AntonH on 05/06/2013 16:05:26 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 05/06/2013 : 16:13:10
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Ted, we know that you have received a lot of data in the last few days and may have missed some of it. However as I mentioned above Elleff was born on Oct 14, 1864. Kċre, (Kċarto) did provide a link to his birth record on an earlier page. I repeat here for you. Click on the highlighted link and look at person number 47.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5915&idx_id=5915&uid=ny&idx_side=-105 |
Edited by - AntonH on 05/06/2013 16:15:18 |
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Ted Rolles
Medium member
Canada
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Posted - 01/10/2013 : 08:33:51
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| So you all were so great with the previous help I figured I would request your assistance once again. I have records of one of the boys going by. Simon Olson Leagjeld however I do not get any hits when searching that name on this site but the American records show his emigration as 1865 as well. Also does LEAGJELD mean anything to anyone? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 01/10/2013 : 14:19:50
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Todd county is ground zero for Leagjeld in Minnesota apparently.
Here's a Simon Olson Leagjeld in the Minnesota Death index:
LEAGJELD, SIMON OLSON
Date of Birth: na
Place of Birth: na
Mother Maiden Name: na
certid# 1928-MN-015820
Date of Death: 27 Apr 1928
County of Death: TODD
According to the following he was born about 1854, does this match the Simon in the Rolles family?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FDQG-ZQD
Checking in the farm name index of the 1865 Norwegian census, finds no Leagjeld farm. But there are 2 places that start with "liagjeld" in Sunddal in More og Romsdal fylke, quite a different place than Holmestrand, Botne, Vestfold.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 01/10/2013 : 15:33:44
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1910 census says he was married to Steena Leagjeld and they had the following children:
Olof Leagjeld,
Emma Leagjeld,
Louis Leagjeld,
Joseph Leagjeld,
Selma L Leagjeld.
Here his birth is 1856 and immigration in 1878.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 01/10/2013 : 15:37:21
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Maybe his name Leagjeld = Lihjell or Liagjeld
If so that farm was in Sundalen, Mĝre og Romsdal. |
Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 01/10/2013 15:45:27 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2013 : 15:58:10
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| Could Simon be Seming (born out of wedlock in 1854, father Ole Evensen, Liagjeld) ? |
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Ted Rolles
Medium member
Canada
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Posted - 02/10/2013 : 03:35:01
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So did everyone seem to name themselves after the farm they lived on at that time?
was the farm named after the owner or was it more of a district or county of norway? I had hoped that Rolles held some meaning to the norwegians. and likewise for Leagjeld that Simon seems to have adopted. |
Edited by - Ted Rolles on 02/10/2013 03:36:01 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2013 : 13:00:29
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In Norway the classic name consists of the given name, the patronymic (derived from your father's given name) and then the farm name of the place you were currently living.
In America, the system was an inherited surname usually from your father.
So immigrants were at the cusp between the two systems. Each person and each family make their own decision how to go. Generally an unusual farm name taken in America can be used to track the origin of the person in Norway. Rolles and Leagjeld (actually spelled as Liagjeld or Lihjell) are farms, indicating places to search for the relative's origin or connections.
Farms in Norway are named based on all sorts of sources. Most generally they are derived from geographical features of the farm itself. Other sources sometimes are the name of the owner, occupations followed at that farm (beside farming), etc. |
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