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MarO
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 Posted - 16/06/2013 : 02:07:23
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I am new to this site and wondered if anyone could help me with information.Carl Ludvig was my great grandfather who either emigrated to New Zealand, or as he was a seaman, came out as crew.
He was born in Oslo and I have found his family in the 1865 and 1875 censuses. His father was Herman Olsen born in Grue in 1824 and his mother Andrine Casperdr born in 1822 and married 23 October 1850. It appears Herman was married twice, the second time to Sofie Hansen.
Going back the next generation has been confusing. Herman's mother Kari Olsdr was living with them in the 1875 census. I have mostly been using Family Search and Herman's mother as given at his birth is Kari Larsdr. Would these be the same and she has changed her name or have I got the wrong birth notice?. Would this be her that married Ole Hermansen in 1816 in Vinger, Hedmark.? I would also love to find out more about Andrine Caspersen, father Casper Hansen.
I would really appreciate any help that I could be given.
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jkmarler
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MarO
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MarO
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Posted - 16/06/2013 : 04:35:09
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| Source Citation: Den Norske Kirke (Oslo, Akershus, Norway), Marriages 1848 - 1884, Microfilm nr. 255752. Marriage of Herman and Andrine Casperdr |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 16/06/2013 : 06:33:42
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| How did you arrive at Carl Ludvig Hermanson as the correct fellow to match your Carl Ludvig Olson in New Zealand? Just curious.... |
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MarO
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Posted - 16/06/2013 : 07:46:44
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I have his wedding certificate on which he gives his father's name as Herman Olsen also his mother as Sofie Hansen. He would have only been 6 when his father married Sofie so he would have mostly known her as his mother. I also have his New Zealand naturalisation certificate which gives his place of birth as Christiania and a letter written to him by his mother in law talking about his birthday in October, so that matches and the year matches his year of birth on his wedding certificate.
The only 2 curious things that don't match that come from family rumours that 1/ Bjerke was a name in the family and 2/ his father was a Captain in the King's Guard. I have dismissed this as just family talk with little substance. I'm guessing that his occupation of somand in the 1875 census means seaman? |
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eibache
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Posted - 16/06/2013 : 07:49:59
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His parents were married in Oslo Domkirke, see #131 Herman was then 26 years old and Andrine was 28 years old.
Herman was born May 1 1824, see baptismal record #47, his parents were Ole Hermansen and Kari Larsdatter living at Nordsæt under Randsøen.
Andrine was born Dec 26 1822, see baptismal record #4, her parents were Casper Hansen and Randie Thorersdatter living at Herumhagen.
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Edited by - eibache on 16/06/2013 09:11:00 |
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MarO
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Posted - 16/06/2013 : 09:17:03
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| Thank you, I had found that information. Where I hadn't been able to source anything was information on Andrine (where born and when died),her parents and also Ole Hermansen and Kari Larsdatter. Would it be possible that the Kari Olsdatter living with him in the 1875 census be the same person as the Kari Larsdatter, his mother named in his baptismal record? Would there be a reason why she would change her name? I'm hoping that information is there on Norwegian websites but I am unable to read Norwegian. |
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eibache
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Posted - 16/06/2013 : 11:20:09
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Kari Olsdatter in the 1875 census is most likely Hermans mother. Why she here is called Olsdatter cannot be explained, probably a mistake from the census taker.
Hermans parents, Ole Hermansen and Kari Larsdatter were married Jan 1 1820, see #2 - Ole was a shoemaker 28 years old and came from Fjeld.
Kari was a seamstress 25 years old and came from Ramsøen.
Ole, his parents Herman Christiansen and Olea Haagensdatter and siblings in 1801.
Kari, her parents Lars Olsen and Eli Halsteensdatter and siblings in 1801.
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Edited by - eibache on 16/06/2013 11:23:16 |
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eibache
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Posted - 16/06/2013 : 11:40:17
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Carl Ludvigs mother, Andrine Caspersdatter died and his father married Sofie Hansen (actually Christiansdatter) Dec 3 1863, see #146.
Sofie was then 26 years old and born in Skjeberg, Østfold.
Herman Olsen was a registered (trade) citizen in Oslo (=Christiania)
In the 1865 census he called a restauratør = caterer.
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MarO
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Posted - 16/06/2013 : 23:10:41
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Thank you so much for that information, it has been great to discover this part of my family, until now unknown to us. You have been so helpful.
Is it also possible to find the details of Andrine and Ole Hermansen's deaths? I have searched but not been able to find anything (that I can understand anyway) |
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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MarO
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Posted - 17/06/2013 : 05:32:17
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| It may possibly be as the Bjerke story was an oral one and Bjerke was my choice of spelling. It may well be the same Johann as we have found a Thomas with the same birth date as Thomas Emmanuel whose name seemed to changed to Thomas Bjerke. He was still living with them and called Bjerke in the 1900 census. He was listed as a goldsmith and we have found him on emigrant lists to the US. Do you have any explanation why they would take on the Bjerke name? |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 17/06/2013 : 05:47:04
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Too many Olsons to keep straight.
Re Thomas at familysearch as you know he came in 1901 to Philadelphia and there is a mention about his brother-in-law, so he got married between the census in 1900 and landing date in 1901 or perhaps one of the sisters were in US? Thomas also took a 3 month long trip back to Norway in 1920. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 17/06/2013 06:19:30 |
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Carl Ludvig Olsen 1856- 1915
