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MarO
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New Zealand
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 Posted - 17/06/2013 : 08:34:43
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| Are there any records of Carl (in NZ known as Charles) Ludvig's emigration to New Zealand? He married here in 1890 but I cannot find other references to him before that. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 18/06/2013 : 01:34:26
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There are databases of migrants leaving Norway through various ports found at the Norwegian digitalarkivet. These transcribed lists of names are based on the original hand written lists kept by the police at each port and begin about 1866-67 or so. Generally, people living in or near Oslo would go through Oslo.
Another kind of migration record are called utflyttede / inflyttede records kept by the local pastor in with other pastoral acts from a parish. I guess I've never looked for these records for Oslo residents but there are numerous parishes in Oslo, so would be a big task as these are mostly not indexed nor transcribed, so only browseable.
The other thing to consider with someone who is a sea-farer is that they might not have gotten the travel permits etc from their pastor but just taken off on voyages. Occasionally you do see sailors in the police lists and sometimes in the utflyttedes but probably not often or regularly. So Carl may not have even gone through the procedures.
There is a transcribed 1885 census for Kristiania (Oslo) which you could check for Carl to see if he was still living in Oslo then.
There are records of seaman's exams & certificates but none of them are available online.
If any of Carl's siblings had children you might check the faddernes (godparents) in the baptismal record for each of them to see if Carl happens to show up.
Some young men put to sea at young ages 14-15 or so but I'd guess in most cases that person would have been confirmed before that, so a confirmation record for Carl and other siblings would be good things to find to tie them down to a time and place.
Herman Olson lived long and likely may be in the dodsprotokoll or skiftprotokoll (estate settlement) records which are online. It would be a lot of looking (because Oslo is the big city) but since you know he was still alive in 1900, check the 1910 census online to see if he still lives if not then you know you have a 10 year period to look in those registers. Often in the dodsprotokoll there are lists of the children & survivors and where they live.
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MarO
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New Zealand
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Posted - 18/06/2013 : 02:28:02
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Thank you so much for all the information. I will certainly follow up on your suggestions, but I will have to get the help of a Norwegian speaker first.
I will leave this thread open for a while in case anyone else has anything to offer. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 18/06/2013 : 07:52:20
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This is off topic, but interesting, a 1997 post by a cousin of yours in Pomona, California, USA:
"My g/grandfather, Herman Emil OLSEN, born in Christiania 29 Mar 1867, emigrated to the US in 1888 from Christiania (Oslo), Norway. Have been told that he came over with a brother. The brother kept the name BJERKE.... The family was from Brandval and Grue, Hedmark, Norway. Herman Emil OLSEN's father, Herman OLSEN, born at Brandval, Hedmark, 11 May 1824."
LINK:
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/oldbook4b.html
Same person as above, shows Herman Emil Olsen's son Roy:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/loomer/message/304
Roy Olsen, b. 11/8/1894, Chicago, IL; d. 12/19/71, Pomona, CA
m. 4/21/1917, Saint Paul, MN
Death
Olsen, Herman E. born 29 Mar. 1867 Norway died 17 Aug. 1923 Cerro Gordo, Iowa, USA.
SOURCE: iowahistory.org Death Certificate Index, Cerro Gordo County, Iowa.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Olsen&GSiman=1&GScid=94675&GRid=7459043&
The family in 1910:
1910
Hennepin County, Minnesota
Herman Olson 43 b Norway
Annie Olsen 38
Henry 17
Roy 15
Edwin 13
Clarence 10
Herman 8
Hazel 6
Robert 4
Evelyn 2
Norman 0
+ Orval 1913 and Vernon 1916 |
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MarO
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New Zealand
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Posted - 19/06/2013 : 01:31:29
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Very interesting, thank you for that input. Herman Emil Olsen was my g/grandfather's half brother. I knew Thomas Bjerke had gone to America in 1901, but not other brothers. I do not understand why some of the brothers changed their names to Bjerke, or even where that comes from, it doesn't seem to be a family name until they used it.
I will try and make contact hoping her address is still the same.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 19/06/2013 : 01:55:14
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| Perhaps there is an associated farm of that name connected with Anne Sophie's or Andrine Caspersdatter's family surfacing in the name. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 19/06/2013 : 04:03:35
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The origin of the surname Bjerke is a bit of a puzzle, yes. But the variation between Bjerke and Olsen is typical. It follows the usual pattern for immigrants from Norway to America (and maybe the same in Australia?) that some in the family would choose a place name/ farm name for a permanent surname and some would choose a patronymic name for a permanent surname. Everyone in the family had both names and they could choose. Like you, our family has personal experience with this. Thank goodness for family oral histories (such as your family memory of the name "Bjerke"), as that can often make the difference in unraveling the snarl.
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MarO
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New Zealand
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Posted - 19/06/2013 : 08:12:00
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Yes, there were 3 Bjerke farms that I could find. The story in our family was that Bjerke was too difficult for New Zealanders to read, so my g/grandfather changed it to Olsen and it wasn't until I got a copy of his wedding certificate that I found his father's name was Olsen. It seems that about half the sons changed their surname, one even varying to Bjerche, although it was spelled Bjerke in the 1900 census.
I would still love to find that being in the King's Guard had some truth to it, but it doesn't come up anywhere in the census occupations. Maybe Herman was pre 1865 - It always made for a good family story. He was reputed to have been 6'7" or 8" tall as well! |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 19/06/2013 : 10:32:03
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Prof. Ola Rygh means that he origin of Bjerke/Bjĝrke most likely was named after a river or creek.
The Norwegian Royal Guard, a company of sharpshooters, was established 1856 in Stockholm Sweden, for the Swedish-Norwegian union king who lived in Sweden, but had his own castle in Norway inaugurated 1849.
In 1888 was the Norwegian part of the guard transfererred to Oslo and in 1905 the union was dissolved and the guard changed name to" HM Kongens Garde" His Majesty the Kings Guard and extend to a battalion on ca 1100 soldiers.
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MarO
Starting member
New Zealand
13 Posts |
Posted - 20/06/2013 : 00:27:19
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| Thank you Kċre. All this information is helping me get a picture together of my Norwegian ancestry |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 20/06/2013 : 01:56:01
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MarO, do you have Charles's naturalisation papers? Do they shed no light on where he was before he married Elizabeth Singleton in 1890?
New Zealand, Naturalisation Papers
Name: Charles Ludwig Olsen
Birth Date: abt 1857
Age: 35 Yrs
Birth Place: Christiania, Norway
Former Nationality: Norwegian
Occupation: Seaman
Residence City: Auckland
Naturalisation Date: 30 Sep 1892
File Number: 1892/2463
Certificate Register: 29
Register Page Number: 13
Did he die in 1915? His obituary, if there was one, might tell more about his life. |
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MarO
Starting member
New Zealand
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Posted - 20/06/2013 : 03:00:48
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Yes, he did die in 1915 of influenza. I had no more information re his naturalisation than you have printed above.
I will see if I can order a complete copy and hope it has more on it.
His widow, Eliza, lived until she was 90 -died 1947. My uncle who is still alive knew grandmother well but they didn't talk much about family. She remarried so we always connected her to her second husband. |
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Carl Ludvig Olsen 1856- 1915
