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Hopkins
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 Posted - 24/06/2013 : 20:55:12
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It is a small world.
And only one of Tov´s children is known, Mathias d. 1651 married to Mari Sigurdsdatter.
Yes Kċre, I know.  You do seem to know the colorful stories that I missed or couldn't understand -- YET. That's OK. It gives me something to go back and work on again sometime in the near future. This is a life-long hobby and I love it. |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 24/06/2013 : 23:25:36
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I am glad to share info 
Sheriff John Rambergs had a son Tov, his son Mathias is rec. on Ramberg 1645 with his "qvinde" wife (Mari Sigurdsdatter) and a servant maid Anne.
In 1650 Mathias used the whole farm.
Acc. to the old measuremet in 1650 Ramberg was valued to 6 tdr where Mathias ovned 4,5 tdr, the king 1 tdr and Heddal church 0,5 tdr but Mathias did not pay "more" than 5 Rdl (Riksdaler) in annual tax.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 25/06/2013 12:41:19 |
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Marlys Nelson
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Posted - 25/06/2013 : 02:54:35
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Thanks for the tidbits....my translating is pretty tedious! The Hitterdal priest connection will have to await further developments!
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 25/06/2013 : 10:22:49
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The origin of priest Jens Jacobsen and Mette Jespersdatter is unknown.
He replaced Peder Jensen mentioned as minister 1575, and Jens Jacobsen was replaced by Jacob Pedersen first mentioned 1608.
You mentioned Denmark; Norwegian priests up to the 1600s had to take their exams at the University of Copenhagen, Denmark, which was "a thorn in the eye" to the Norwegians.
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Kċarto
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Norway
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Posted - 26/06/2013 : 13:23:33
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Info found in old documents reg. Ramberg to share with bot of you.
Ramberg is mentioned in Bishop Eysteins "Rĝde bok" Farm register from 1398, it tells that Heddal church and Sauherad church owned Ramberg.
Nov. 5. 1519;
Paal Bjĝrnsen is mentioned on both S. (Southern) and N. (Lover) Ramberg as heir to both farms,he recieved Rafneberg, Rampneber (Ramberg) "med odel" (allodium by gain) from Asmund Gunnarsĝn which guarantees that he had not given the farm to Hr. Benkt, Cannik at the Maria church in Oslo, link
I wonder if he was Sheriff Joen Rambergs father?)
1532-1612;
Sheriff Joen Ramberg lives on S. Ramberg which was his inheritance and paid tax for a "Fullgaard" which was maximun tax of three calculations, and partowner in several farms mentioned earlier.
1645;
his grandson Mathias Tovsen lives on Ramberg and cultivate the whole farm, he was married to Mari Sigurdsdatter, she was widowed and married a 2. time to Joen Rolfsen.
1665 census;
Joen Rolfsen age 40 on Ramberg with his 13 years old stepson and heir to Ramberg, Tov Mathiasen, farmhand and soldier Joen Nilsen age 24, cottager Knud Lauridzen age 40 and his father Lauridz Nesset age 100. (Women not mentioned by name before the 1801 census)
He owned 2 horses, 7 cattle, 4 young cattle and 12 cheeps/goats. He owned a forest , but no land to expend the farm. In addition he was required by the authorities to grow humulus for beer production.
Dec. 7. 1671;
Kittil Thorsen Ebletveit married Tovs sister Ingeborg and sold his/her part in Ramberg to his brother in law Tov Mathiasen for 60 RiksDaler (ca 103 000 Kroner today)
1685;
Tov cultivated the whole farm; smaller part-owners were Sauherad church, Anders Cornix, Bjĝrn Mork and blessed colonel Bruun´s widow Anne.
Dec. 7. 1691;
On auction Casper Becker bought 1 td (old measurement) in Ramberg for 20 RiksDaler (ca 33 000 Kroner in todays money)
Sept. 18. 1695;
Bjĝrn Torkildsen sold his part in Ramberg to Frandz Frandzen Cudrio for 20 RiksDaler.
1691;
Leif Rambergs child was baptised (unknown)
1695;
Torbjĝrg Ramberg (unknown) married.
Mai. 19. 1701;
Frandz Cudrio sold half of his part to Tov Mathiasen Ramberg.
1703;
Tov Mathiasen cultivated the wole farm and paid Leasholder tax on 12 RiksDaler (ca 22 000 Kroner) Sauherad church still part-owner in Ramberg, total tax for Tov was 17 RiksDaler.
1711;
Tov lives on S. Ramberg and paid "Sko-skatt" Shoe-tax, an extra tax established Feb. 21. 1711.
"Sko-skatt" was; 6 Shilling for a pair of shoes bought in a town, Wigs 4 RiksDaler, Buggies 20 RiksDaler, Fontagne (ornament for women) 4 RiksDaler and 1/6 of a servants salary.
Nov. 11. 1717;
Sigrid Ramberg age 95 died (was she Tov Joensens wife?)
1723;
The widow Anne Christensdatter (Tov Mathiasens wife) with 5 children owned Ramberg pluss part-owner Sauherad Church.
The forest had timber for beams and house-building and a smaller forest where they could chop birch-wood and a summer pasture.
The farm could feed 2 horses, 11 cattle, 16 cheeps and 4 goats.
1731;
Tov Mathiasen´s two sons Tov and Lars Tovsen each owned 3 tdr in Ramberg and Sauherad chuch a smaller part.
Tov and Lars each paid 9 RiksDaler in tax (ca 16 000 Kroner today)
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Kċarto
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Posted - 26/06/2013 : 16:48:55
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- Frandz Frandzen Cudrio 1650-1710, shipowner in Skien, Telemark. His father Frandz Cudrio (Francois Coudrioux), a French Huguenot who had to flee from France in a boat that sank at the coast of Telemark, he was probably the only one that survived.
- Anders Cornix, owned buildings in Skien town and farms in sevaral parish´s in Telemark.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 26/06/2013 16:49:38 |
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Marlys Nelson
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Posted - 26/06/2013 : 17:33:23
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You always have something of interest to add, Kare!
Frandz the Huguenot, hmmm? Perhaps you can solve my Skjaak/Lom problem of where Frandz Ramstad c 1683-1771 floated in from? (Joking)
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Kċarto
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Posted - 26/06/2013 : 19:54:33
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The Norwegian owner of this family-tree has Frants Johannesen Ramstad 1683-1771.
Seems like he was a military officer
(Floated in from the river Otta  )
Frantz Johannesen Ramstad is nr 274 in this family-tree
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Edited by - Kċarto on 27/06/2013 12:58:44 |
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Marlys Nelson
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Posted - 27/06/2013 : 05:24:22
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That was a great "find", Kare. I will follow up with the person managing that Geni tree, Kare Tofte. If there is another priest involved I will have to re-find the book that a young student in Trondheim compiled about various priests and lineages in that area. I'm afraid I didn't record his name or the book since it didn't pertain to my search....at that time.
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 27/06/2013 : 08:20:21
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Interesting and challenging family to investigate.
Pastor Frantz Nilsen Rieber
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Kċarto
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Posted - 27/06/2013 : 09:25:40
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Beeing a head officer in Oppland Frantz Ramstad was perhaps a Lt. colonel in the 1.Opplandske Infantryregiment that from 1662-1718 consitsed of enlisted soldiers from Hallingdal, Toten, Valdres, Hadeland, Ringsaker and southern and northern Gudbrandsdal.
From 1718-47 the regiment consisted of enlisted soldies from Solĝr, Hedmark, Fċberg, eastern, southern and northern Gudbrandsdal and Fron.
Head of the regiment from 1710-1728 was colonel Jĝrgen Otto Brockenhuus 1664-1728 link followed by Fredrik von Lutzow.
The regiment participated in the Great Northern War from 1700-1720 link
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Edited by - Kċarto on 27/06/2013 09:39:06 |
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Marlys Nelson
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Posted - 27/06/2013 : 18:37:02
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Hmm...another coincidence...1718 was the year the Norwegian Army set fire to many places in northern Gudbrandsdal to prevent them falling into Swedish hands.... and burned down several of my family's places, including Kongsvold. I had written a short article about the war after learning the ensuing loss of life in the cold by the Swedish Army was mainly felt by the conscripted Savolax soldiers...another branch on my tree!
I haven't found the connecting generation between Frants/Frantz, the soldier, and the line of priests with Danish origins...will keep looking and obviously need the Oyer bygdebok! (Away for a short trip.)
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Kċarto
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Posted - 27/06/2013 : 20:40:57
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Could not find any connection, only a daughter of Frantz N. Rieber is mentioned, a connection should be either a son or son in law named Johannes.
As always in wars, often those who are innocent who suffer most.
Four mountain "farms"; Kongsvold, Hjerkinn, Drivstua and Fokstua were burned by Norwegian soldiers to stop the Swedish army unit I suppose was "Karolinerne" from crossing the mountain.
They were stopped 10 Kilometer north from Kongsvold which was rebuild two years later.
1719 under command by general Carl Gustav Armfeldt "Karolinerna" failed to conquer Trondheim and during the withdrawal to Sweden 4200 of 5000 soldiers died in the Tydal mountain.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 27/06/2013 22:00:06 |
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Marlys Nelson
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Posted - 14/07/2013 : 21:02:14
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I'm still curious about the origins of the Heddal priest Jens Jacobsen, whose spouse was Mette Jespersdatter. I would, of course, like to connect them with Anders Jesperson....an ancestor of mine. The link I have is from a book telling about the bishop's travels through Telemark in 1593. Jens, the local priest, had two relatives at his place...a Matz Matzen from Skien and Niels Claussen Sonderborg.....Sonderborg is located in Denmark and may have some connection with a Brandt family. Wish I knew how to pursue this line!
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 14/07/2013 : 22:13:13
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Hi.
I need some time to read about Bishop Jens Nilsens visit to "Heiderdal kike" probably Hitterdal/Heddal and Telemark to look for a connection to Jens Jacobsen.
Facinating and challenging language.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 14/07/2013 23:14:26 |
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Marriage record for Heddal Telemark
