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SandraSeverson
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 Posted - 03/07/2013 : 22:21:49
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Could someone tell me if the first record in the record below is for the above person born in 1712? This is the only information I have about her except that she married Ellingsen Olsen Ruggeseter in 1733. If this is Kristi does this record also give her parent names?
Source information: Sogn og Fjordane county, Sogndal, Parish register (official) nr. A 1 (1689-1713), Birth and baptism records 1712, page 152-153.
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Kċarto
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Posted - 03/07/2013 : 22:32:10
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I read her father as Siur Uglum.
Bap Nytaarsdag - New Years Day; Jan. 1. in Stedje Stave church (demolished 1867) Stedje subparish, Sogndal.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 03/07/2013 23:04:37 |
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 03/07/2013 : 22:44:01
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| So this is Kristi Sjursdr. What does Nytaarsdag mean? Is is normal for this period of time to only give a fathers name? Thank you. |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 03/07/2013 : 22:45:47
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Acc. to this family-tree and probate after Johannes C. Lereim Siur was married to Sirj/Siri (Johannesdatter) daughter to Johannes Christoffersen Lereim link
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Edited by - Kċarto on 03/07/2013 22:51:42 |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 03/07/2013 : 22:47:55
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Originally posted by SandraSeverson
So this is Kristi Sjursdr. What does Nytaarsdag mean? Is is normal for this period of time to only give a fathers name? Thank you.
Nytaarsdag today spelled Nyttċrsdag is the first day of the year; Kirsti was bapt. Friday Jan.1.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 03/07/2013 23:06:16 |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 03/07/2013 : 23:55:09
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Have you seen this?
The pastor`s 1666 cenus for Sogndal, Leerum/Leirum link
Johans/Johannes 1,5 year, a brother Erik 7 and the father Christopher 45 and farmer (Women was not mentioned by name in the censuses before 1801).
The fee to the authorities, king or church, was the value of either 2 Laup smĝr (butter) or 6 meler korn (grain) or one hud (hide)
Two Laup butter was ca 30.5 kilogram
One meler grain varying from 4 to 6 gallon
One hide was the value 2 goat-skin or 8 cheep-skin or 12 calf-skin.
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 04/07/2013 : 02:39:54
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| So if I have this correct, Kristi, born Jan. 1, 1712 was the daughter of Siur Uglum. But I am confused as to who Johannes C. Lereim Siur was. How does he fit into this? I don't seem to be able to follow the relationships for Kristi Sjursdr. The pastors report was very interesting. Was this the fee for the whole year? Was the fee taxes or for living on the land? Thank you for your help. I am trying very hard to understand the records for this family. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 04/07/2013 : 03:56:21
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Kċre is saying Siur Uglum (Kristi's dad) was married to Siri Johannesdatter.
Siri's father was Johannes Christoffersen Lereim. So Johannes C. Lereim is Kristi's maternal grandfather.
Siri's dad Johannes C. Lereim's estate went to probate when he died. His probate mentioned his daughter Siri, and it said that his daughter Siri was married to Siur Uglum.
Kċre mentions various records to show how the path leads from one relationship to the next. The probate record is how the father of Siri Johannesdatter was found.
I overdid the explanation, lol, but I hope it helps.
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 04/07/2013 : 05:07:36
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| Thanks so much. Some names are just so similar it's hard to keep them straight. I think I can get this down correctly in my tree. You people are an amazing group. |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 04/07/2013 : 08:20:48
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You are right, this was the fee for the whole year.
Payment of the fee was normally around mid-winter.
It was the size of the farm that determined the fee to the landowner.
One could also work for the fee, harvesting etc, according to established rules.
The reason a woman was not mentioned by name, an exeption was if she owned the farm ex. as a widow until one of the children takes ower the farm or if she married again, then it was her husband who owned the farm, but children from her first marriage were heir to the farm or in a probate register (An extra fee  to the the king  in Copenhagen)
The authorities was only interested in names of the tax-payers and men and boys as potential soldiers.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 04/07/2013 21:08:45 |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 04/07/2013 : 09:04:08
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The Bailiffs census from 1666, Christopher Leirum "Bonde" Farmer link
The 1701 census for Sogndal, Johannes Christophersen and two sons; Laris 10 and Erich 7 link
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Kċarto
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Posted - 04/07/2013 : 12:52:01
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Originally posted by Kċarto
Acc. to this family-tree and probate after Johannes C. Lereim Siur was married to Sirj/Siri (Johannesdatter) daughter to Johannes Christoffersen Lereim link
Kċre
Probate register d. Oct. 11. 1714 after Johannes Lerum converted to 2012 Kroner which was divided in 9 heirs.
Johannes Lerum was also mentioned as "Lagrettemann" Local judge Oct. 12. 1703 for Sogndal skiprede held on Fimreite parish in Sogn.
Gross capital 400 Daler, ca 515 000 Kroner
Debt 230 Daler, ca 300 000 Kroner
Net assets 169 Daler, ca 215 00 Kroner.
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Kċarto
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Posted - 04/07/2013 : 18:15:35
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Probate register for Siri Johannesdatter`r brother Lars Johannesen bap. Dec. 5. 1690.
1. bap. left page; .......Johanes Lerums b (child) named Lartz link
Lars inherited Lerum, he probably never married (left no son or daughter) and died ca 1715.
Probate register is dated mai 28. 1715 and contains 10 heirs.
Net. value of Lars fortune was 120 Daler, 5 ort and 13 skilling, ca 150 000 Kroner.
Lars heirs and others mentioned; link
1 Erik Johansen age 20, brother.
2 Brite Johansdatter, sister
3 Ifuer Knudsen, Brite`s husband
4 Karj Johansdatter, sister
5 Creditors
6 Eric Bergum, Anne`s husband
7 Siur Uglum, Sirij`s husband
8 Anne Johansdatter, sister (Eric Bergum`s wife)
9 Sirj Johansdatter, sister (Siur Uglums wife)
10 Marite Johansdatter, sister
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Kċarto
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Posted - 04/07/2013 : 19:27:46
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Siur Uglum was actually Siur Andersen Uglum, son of Anders?
He was a widower before 1745.
Occ. "Dannemand" A reputable, reliable and polite person (a great testimonial)
Probate register after Siur Uglum is dated Dec. 4. 1745.
His net. fortune was only 15 Daler or ca 24 000 kroenr in 2012 and he had following heirs;
- Johannes Siursen, age of majority, son (heir to Uglum)
- Christi Siursdatter, daughter
- Marite Siursdatter, daughter
- Torbiĝrn Aasen Lyster (Lyster parish in Sogn) Marite`s husband
- Elling Rugesetter, Christi`s husband
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Kċarto
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Posted - 04/07/2013 : 20:52:55
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Siur Uglums wife was Sirj (Siri) Johansdatter.
They engaged in Stedje sub parish on Dominica 4. past "Pascha" Pċske - 4. Sunday passed Easter (Sunday Mai 10.) and married Dominica 5, past Trinitates, Sunday July 12. 1705 (date of wedding see page 195 2. from bottom)
Engagement see left page line 12 & 13 from top
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Edited by - Kċarto on 04/07/2013 21:40:01 |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 04/07/2013 : 22:17:23
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Happy July 4. USA 
Kċre |
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