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Karensue33
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 Posted - 19/07/2013 : 19:19:19
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I would like to know how to find baptism records for Helgesen and/or Halvorsen.
1865 Census gave me the following:
Helge Halvorsen Logerende g Arbeider 1837 Nordrehoug
Bjælkehugger
Caroline Ellingsdatter hans Kone g 1840 Drammen
Martte Helgesdatter deres Datter ug 1862 Aadalen
Hans Helgesen deres Søn ug 1865 Aadalen
I also have the name if Helge's parents and siblings.
Halvor Helgesen Husfader g 1803 Aadalen
Husmand med Jord
Kjerstine Klemmessdatter hans Kone g 1812 Aadalen
Lise Halvorsdatter deres Datter ug 1845 Aadalen
Christian Halvorsen deres Søn ug 1842 Aadalen
Lars Halvorsen deres Søn ug 1850 Aadalen
Martin Halvorsen deres Søn ug 1854 Aadalen |
Karen |
Edited by - Karensue33 on 19/07/2013 19:25:16 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 19/07/2013 : 19:27:57
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Possibly this one?
#30 Helge Halvorsen
Born: 17 Jan 1837
Christening: 12 Mar 1837, Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Parents: Halvor Helgesen & Martha Helgesdr, Oppeneie (?)
Source: Buskerud county, Norderhov, Parish register (official) nr. 9 (1819-1837), Birth and baptism records 1837, page 658-659.
Not the same mother as you listed....
Marriage record #15
Helge Halvorsen (25) & Caroline Ellinsdatter (24)
His father: Halvor Helgesen
Her father: Elling Christensen
Marriage: 01 Nov 1863, Ådal, Buskerud
Source: Buskerud county, Ådal, Parish register (official) nr. I 1 (1857-1883), Marriage records 1863, page 477.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 19/07/2013 19:38:30 |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/07/2013 : 20:00:57
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The 1865 census (you don't say where you found those people in the census) gives each person's birthplace. That district or parish is where you look in the church records of births and baptisms to find the original record.
The detail available in the extensive parish church records is a marvelous gift from Norway. The Digitalarkivet web site has been adding scanned images of the original Norwegian parish church records for anyone with Internet access since November 2005. To be able to use the parish records you must first know WHERE in Norway you want to search for this documentation. 'Nordrehoug' and 'Aadalen' are OLD spellings of districts/parishes which you will find in Buskerud, Norway. (The parish records are also available on LDS Family History Library microfilm which you can order through their website.)
The Digitalarkivet web site - (http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebFront.exe?slag=vis&tekst=meldingar)
An English option is available by clicking on that word from either the left hand column or the blue link bar along the bottom of the homepage.
The scanned images are available from the homepage link "Skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Digitised parish records" [English version] which is listed along the left hand column and from the blue banner of links along the top section of the homepage.
When you click on that link another page will present a short list of choices - choose "Read the digitized parish registers"[English version]/"Lesa skanna kykrebøker" [Norwegian version].
After you've clicked on that link and a new main page has presented on the screen be sure and read the instructions that are available from the Digitalarkivet for navigating the scanned records. The instructions are available in Bokmål (official Norwegian), Nyorsk (Norwegian), Davvisámegiella (Saami), and English.
Recommended basic reading are the "Startsiden" [Norwegian version]/"Main page" [English version], "Brukerveiledning" [Norwegian version]/"User's guide" [English version] and "Om tjenesten" [Norwegian version]/"About this service" [English version].
Good information about translating the formats of Norwegian parish church records during various time periods, many of the basic terms used and understanding how to use the information should be studied at this web site -
(http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html)
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Karensue33
Junior member
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Posted - 19/07/2013 : 22:58:52
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More Information:
Helge Halvorsen appears to have lived with another family, with his wife and two children as of the 1865 Census. He wasn't listed under his father and mother then
Found here: http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0614&kenr=011&bnr=0026&lnr=000,
Halvor Helgesen was married to Chetina Klemendsdatter...(this information came from the elders in the family, and I think they knew the name, but couldn't spell it. The listing in the 1865 Census for these relatives was found here: http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0614&kenr=009&bnr=0035&lnr=000.
I think the spelling given by my elders is how the name was pronounced in English. Helge took on the name "Henry" according to Wisconsin records. I have their records since they came to America, and their descendants here, and I'm planning on publishing the information when I find out where they all came from, and any extra information about their extended families. :D
The links don't seem to work, but this one should. http://www.rhd.uit.no/indexeng.html
Norwegian Historical Data Centre (NHDC)
The Faculty of Social Sciences, University of Tromsø N-9037 Tromsø, NORWAY
Updated: December 1th 2010
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Karensue33
Junior member
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Posted - 19/07/2013 : 23:12:47
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This Halvor Helgesen born 1803?
Elders said he married Chetina Klemedsdatter...(I think they knew the name, but couldn't spell it.).
Thank you so much for the information you gave. All information is valuable to me :)
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Possibly this one?
#30 Helge Halvorsen
Born: 17 Jan 1837
Christening: 12 Mar 1837, Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Parents: Halvor Helgesen & Martha Helgesdr, Oppeneie (?)
Source: Buskerud county, Norderhov, Parish register (official) nr. 9 (1819-1837), Birth and baptism records 1837, page 658-659.
Not the same mother as you listed....
Marriage record #15
Helge Halvorsen (25) & Caroline Ellinsdatter (24)
His father: Halvor Helgesen
Her father: Elling Christensen
Marriage: 01 Nov 1863, Ådal, Buskerud
Source: Buskerud county, Ådal, Parish register (official) nr. I 1 (1857-1883), Marriage records 1863, page 477.
Jan Peter
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Edited by - Karensue33 on 20/07/2013 08:43:37 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/07/2013 : 00:06:13
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The age doesn't fit, so these two Halvor Helgesen doesn't seem to be the same one. The second one is your guy (married to Kristi Clemetsdr).
But it seems he is listed as widower (Enkemand), indicating he has been married before. If his age was 38 not 33, it could be the same person.
#32, Bachelor Halvor Helgesen Hvaleie (26) & girl Marthe Helgesdr Løkke (20)
Marriage: 12 Oct 1829, Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Source: Buskerud county, Norderhov, Parish register (official) nr. 9 (1819-1837), Marriage records 1829, page 868-869.
#13, Widower Halvor Helgesen Skollerudeie (33) & girl Kristi Clemetsdr Bersundeie (29)
Marriage: 27 Mar 1841, Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Source: Buskerud county, Norderhov, Parish register (official) nr. 10 (1837-1847), Marriage records 1841, page 357.
Halvor Helgesen
Chr: 30 Jan 1803, Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Parents: Helge Larsen & Ragnil Halvorsdr
Source: Buskerud county, Norderhov, Parish register (official) nr. 6 (1789-1811), Birth and baptism records 1803, page 113.
(Right page, line #14 from bottom)
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Karensue33
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Posted - 20/07/2013 : 00:25:42
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Okay, so my Halvor Helgesen was born 1802 or 1803, Place of birth in my document is Skalerns Eie Aadalen, Norway. He died Nov 12 1898 in Arland, Wisconsin USA.
His wife was born in 1819 Bernnda Eie Aadalin. I don't know if she was born in 1912.. family records are scattered, and mostly from memory of the elders.
She died in 1906 in Arland, Wisconsin USA
The only way I could verify then, is find a birth record? This would have their parents names, correct? How would I find birth records then?
Helge, was born Jan 1837
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Originally posted by jwiborg
The age doesn't fit, so these two Halvor Helgesen doesn't seem to be the same one. The second one is your guy (married to Kristi Clemetsdr).
But it seems he is listed as widower (Enkemand), indicating he has been married before. If his age was 38 not 33, it could be the same person.
#32, Bachelor Halvor Helgesen Hvaleie (26) & girl Marthe Helgesdr Løkke (20)
Marriage: 12 Oct 1829, Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Source: Buskerud county, Norderhov, Parish register (official) nr. 9 (1819-1837), Marriage records 1829, page 868-869.
#13, Widower Halvor Helgesen Skullerudeie (33) & girl Kristi Clemetsdr Bersundeie (29)
Marriage: 27 Mar 1841, Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Source: Buskerud county, Norderhov, Parish register (official) nr. 10 (1837-1847), Marriage records 1841, page 357.
Halvor Helgesen
Chr: 30 Jan 1803, Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Parents: Helge Larsen & Ragnil Halvorsdr
Jan Peter
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Edited by - Karensue33 on 20/07/2013 00:49:51 |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 20/07/2013 : 00:36:35
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Helge Larsen and Ragnil Halvorsdtr lives on Røningsand in 1801.
Could "Bernnda Eie Aadalin" be Bersundeie which seems to be the name of the farm of Kristi Clemetsdr at marriage.
"Skalerns Eie Aadalen" sounds like Skollerudeie.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/07/2013 : 00:42:41
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See also this about Asle Halvorsen ASLEBRAATEN
This familytree confirms all findings above. Halvor Helgesen was married twice, and died 1898 in Barron Country, Wisconsin, USA
Ref:
Name: Asle Halvorsen ASLEBRAATEN
Father: Halvor Helgesen ASLEBRAATEN
Mother: Kristine Clemmetsdatter BERGSUNDLIA
Birth: 25 JAN 1853, Skollerudeie, Ådal, Buskerud
Baptism: 19 JUN 1853, Norderhov kirke, Buskerud
Vaksinert: 4 AUG 1853, Ådal, Buskerud
Residence: 1873, Aslebraaten, Skollerud, Ådal, Buskerud
Death: 31 JUL 1934, Lake Lillian, Minnesota, USA
Burial: 1934, Methodist Cmty, Lake Lillian, Minnesota, USA
Partnership with: Olea Nilsdatter SOMDALSEIE
Child: Hanna ASLESDATTER Birth: 8 DEC 1873, Somdalseie, Ådal, Buskerud
Partnership with: Thorina Olson WIIG
Marriage: ABT 1875
Child: Hans HALVERSON Birth: 11 JUL 1877, Osage, Mitchell County, Iowa, USA
Child: Carl HALVERSON Birth: 7 JUN 1879, Osage, Mitchell County, Iowa, USA
Partnership with: Cecelia (Cecilie) JOHNSON
Marriage: 10 MAR 1881, Cosmos, Meeker County, Minnesota, USA
Child: George Peter HALVERSON Birth: 1 NOV 1881, Cosmos Township, Meeker County, Minnesota, USA
Child: Edward HALVERSON Birth: 10 MAY 1883, Cosmos Township, Meeker County, Minnesota, USA
Child: Ellery HALVERSON Birth: 13 FEB 1887, Cosmos Township, Meeker County, Minnesota, USA
Child: Lillie HALVERSON Birth: 12 APR 1889, Cosmos Township, Meeker County, Minnesota, USA
Partnership with: Nellie PETERSON
Child: Henry Aslesen HALVERSON Birth: 21 OCT 1919, USA
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Karensue33
Junior member
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Posted - 20/07/2013 : 01:16:19
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Halvor Helgesen b. 1803
=============b.1837Child: Helge Halvorsen son
Helge's Children.
=========================b.1863Child: Martte daughter SEE: Martte #74
=========================b.1865Child: Hans son SEE Hans #53
It appears as though Helge moved, after the birth of Hans.
=========================b.1866Child: Eliek son
==============================Child: Christian son
=========================b.1879Child: Minnie daughter
==============================Child: Mary daughter
=========================b.1884Child: Christina daughter-born Turtle Lake Wisconsin
==============================Child: Charlie son
There is no record for children for those who went to Canada, or missing. I don't know any of Helge's brothers or sisters names. |
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Edited by - Karensue33 on 20/07/2013 08:38:35 |
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Karensue33
Junior member
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Posted - 20/07/2013 : 01:19:48
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Yes, Halvor Helgesen died in 1898 in Barron County, City of Arland, Wisconsin USA. It's possible that this is Helge's brother.
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Originally posted by jwiborg
See also this about Asle Halvorsen ASLEBRAATEN
This familytree confirms all findings above. Halvor Helgesen was married twice, and died 1898 in Barron Country, Wisconsin, USA
Ref:
Name: Asle Halvorsen ASLEBRAATEN
Father: Halvor Helgesen ASLEBRAATEN
Mother: Kristine Clemmetsdatter BERGSUNDLIA
Birth: 25 JAN 1853, Skollerudeie, Ådal, Buskerud
Baptism: 19 JUN 1853, Norderhov kirke, Buskerud
Vaksinert: 4 AUG 1853, Ådal, Buskerud
Residence: 1873, Aslebraaten, Skollerud, Ådal, Buskerud
Death: 31 JUL 1934, Lake Lillian, Minnesota, USA
Burial: 1934, Methodist Cmty, Lake Lillian, Minnesota, USA
Partnership with: Olea Nilsdatter SOMDALSEIE
Child: Hanna ASLESDATTER Birth: 8 DEC 1873, Somdalseie, Ådal, Buskerud
Partnership with: Thorina Olson WIIG
Marriage: ABT 1875
Child: Hans HALVERSON Birth: 11 JUL 1877, Osage, Mitchell County, Iowa, USA
Child: Carl HALVERSON Birth: 7 JUN 1879, Osage, Mitchell County, Iowa, USA
Partnership with: Cecelia (Cecilie) JOHNSON
Marriage: 10 MAR 1881, Cosmos, Meeker County, Minnesota, USA
Child: George Peter HALVERSON Birth: 1 NOV 1881, Cosmos Township, Meeker County, Minnesota, USA
Child: Edward HALVERSON Birth: 10 MAY 1883, Cosmos Township, Meeker County, Minnesota, USA
Child: Ellery HALVERSON Birth: 13 FEB 1887, Cosmos Township, Meeker County, Minnesota, USA
Child: Lillie HALVERSON Birth: 12 APR 1889, Cosmos Township, Meeker County, Minnesota, USA
Partnership with: Nellie PETERSON
Child: Henry Aslesen HALVERSON Birth: 21 OCT 1919, USA
Jan Peter
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Edited by - Karensue33 on 20/07/2013 01:24:26 |
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Karensue33
Junior member
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Posted - 20/07/2013 : 01:22:03
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Actually, yes it does look like you're right.
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Helge Larsen and Ragnil Halvorsdtr lives on Røningsand in 1801.
Could "Bernnda Eie Aadalin" be Bersundeie which seems to be the name of the farm of Kristi Clemetsdr at marriage.
"Skalerns Eie Aadalen" sounds like Skollerudeie.
Jan Peter
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Karensue33
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Posted - 21/07/2013 : 06:16:39
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Jan Peter thank you very much. You have been very helpful!
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Karensue33
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Posted - 27/08/2013 : 01:38:48
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What does Oppeneie, Norderhov, Buskerud mean?
Also what does Vemeeie, Norderhov, Buskerud mean?
I know Buskerud is a county, and Norderhov is a town, but what is Oppeneie and Vemeeie? |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 27/08/2013 : 01:51:26
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| Oppeneie is the name of a farm Oppen with the additional eie information meaning the husmandplass of Oppen. Norderhov is a parish, Buskerud is the fylke like a county or state in US. |
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Karensue33
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Posted - 27/08/2013 : 02:18:26
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What is husmandplass? We're also studying Norwegian language
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Helgesen/Halvorsen Aadalen&Nordrehoug
