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cherylconklin
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 Posted - 28/07/2013 : 01:57:14
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I'm looking for my Norwegian relatives. I have my great-great grandfather's birth certificate. His name was Ole, born 20 November 1876 in Ostre Slidre. The father line says: Gustav Hansen Skramstad Ostre Thoten. The mother line says: Barbo Olsdatter Hovi.
My GG.Gpa emmigrated to the US in 1886. I believe on the SS Angelo to Manitowoc, USA. He was traveling with relatives: Ole and Barbo Halstensen and their children Kari and Paul Iver from Vestre Slidre.
In America, he went by Ole Gustaveson and married Helen Williams. My Great Grandmother was Irene (Gustaveson) Weiland, the first generation born in America. She married a German, Edgar Weiland.
I'm having trouble figuring out how to search Norwegian records. I've been using familysearch.com. But I haven't had any luck finding marriage info for Gustav and Barbo. I'd like to see how far back I can go in my search.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/07/2013 : 03:02:14
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You don't have to look in the Norway Marriages for the couple before 1876 because when Ole Gustav was born his parents were not married. If they got married it was after Ole's birth and baptism. His baptism is #20:
Source information: Oppland county, Øystre Slidre, Parish register (official) nr. 2 (1874-1886), Birth and baptism records 1877, page 15.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6136&idx_id=6136&uid=ny&idx_side=-16
The parish where your ancestor came from is the most important thing to know first. So you know its Østre Slidre, Oppland is the fylke or county (roughly equivalent to a state over here). Skramstad and Hovi are names of farms. Every farm in Norway has a name. Depending on the rarity or uniqueness of the farm name, searching for them can give you a clue to which parish to find records on the person.
The parish registers recording pastoral acts of baptism, confirmation, marriage, & funeral are the ultimate in vital records for Norwegian research. All existing Norwegian parish registers have been mounted online and are available for free to anyone who has internet capability.
Google "Norwegian Digital Archives" and it will take you to the opening page where you can search the online transcriptions of the 1801, 1865, 1875, 1891, 1900 and 1910 censuses of Norway. Also on that page you can connect to the parish registers, probate records, transcribed out migrating lists, and other data. The little county of Norway is BIG in genealogical records. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/07/2013 : 03:40:44
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The usual procedure was for the immigrants to take a feeder ship to England ie the Angelo, then , travel by train to another city in the UK and another ship to America. This might be your family arriving in the US. The ships manifest shows the people identifeid as Ole Halesterne age 34, Barbra age 32, Ino age 7, Jass age 17, No sign of a young girl. My issue is with the identification of the children. Even as poorly as the manifests are written this is a stretch. From Ancestry.com.
Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943
Name: Ole Halesterne
Arrival Date: 22 May 1886
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Catalonia
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 28/07/2013 : 08:54:26
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Searching for Barbo Olsdatter in the 1865 census will not give you a result.
In the baptism record is information about Barbos age, she was 23 years old in 1876, in the 1865 census she would have been 13.
Her name there is Barbro, link - her parents were Ole Syversen and Ingeborg Knudsdatter. Her siblings were Sigri, Syver, Anne and Ingeborg.
Info in this census will help you to go further back in time. |
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Edited by - eibache on 29/07/2013 14:56:21 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 28/07/2013 : 09:01:58
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In 1900 Barbro was living on Hovi and was then married to Erik Halvorsen, link.
Jackie questioned whether this was the right Barbro Olsdatter - and she had good reasons to.
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Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 29/07/2013 08:45:39 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/07/2013 : 10:24:28
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Gustav Hansen is much more of a challenge. A candidate may be the one recorded at Snipstad. He is the only one of the 3 Gustav Hansen at Østre Toten in 1865 with an age to be a father in 1876, link.
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Edited by - eibache on 28/07/2013 12:02:45 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/07/2013 : 12:53:49
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Hovi 1910
Barbro and Eriks son Halvor b.1884 married to Ingebjørg with a son Erik b. 1908.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 28/07/2013 : 14:07:34
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Erik Halvorsen Hovi b. August 4. 1908 married Ingebjørg b. Jan. 26. 1912.
Erik Hovi d. 1986
Ingebjørg Hovi d. 2009 link
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/07/2013 : 16:00:56
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Barbros parents, Ole Syversen and Ingeborg Knudsdatter, were married Dec 5 1850, see #17.
Ole Syversen was 21 years old, and his father was Syver Olsen.
Ingeborg Knudsdatter was 26 years old and her father was Knud Tollefsen.
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Edited by - eibache on 29/07/2013 15:07:47 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/07/2013 : 22:39:18
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It was a little too coincidental for my taste that your Ole's mother was named Barbo and that he left Norway at age 9 with a woman named Barbo / Barbra.
Here is a Kari b. Aug 1885 #37 to Ole Halstenson and Barbo Olsdatter Hovi. The young child leaving with the family was named Kari. It is at least possibly that the Barbra leaving is Ole's mother:
Source information: Oppland county, Øystre Slidre, Parish register (official) nr. 2 (1874-1886), Birth and baptism records 1885, page 71.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6136&idx_id=6136&uid=ny&idx_side=-73
And now I have to walk it back. Here is the marriage of Barbo Olsdatter and Ole Halstenson #9. Her father is listed as Ole Syverson not Ole Pederson. So it was possible but not certain:
Source information: Oppland county, Øystre Slidre, Parish register (official) nr. 2 (1874-1886), Marriage records 1885, page 343.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6136&idx_id=6136&uid=ny&idx_side=-154
Here is the Barbra Ole left with in 1886 in the 1865 census. Their farm is called Skougen. In the marriage record the farm is called Hoviskogen. There are at least 4 Barbo/ Barbra Olsdatter aged 12-14 in Øystre Slidre in 1865.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=14&filnamn=f60544&gardpostnr=361&personpostnr=2249&merk=2249#ovre
So my question is, did you assume that Ole and Barbo were Ole's relatives or did you have a family story to that effect? |
Edited by - jkmarler on 28/07/2013 23:19:05 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/07/2013 : 23:44:07
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Skougen (Skogen) means the Forest
Hoviskogen means the Hovi forest.
Two statements on the same farm
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/07/2013 : 08:51:34
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I think Jackies last posting is a good help for finding the right Barbo Olsdatter.
Again, Ole was baptized in 1877 and the mother was then 23 years old - she could then very well have been born 1854 and be 12 years in the 1865 census.
Furthermore the witnesses at Oles Baptism were Marit Knudsdatter, Kolstad (father Knud Tollefsen) and Syver Olsen, he could be Barbos brother born Aug 26 1855.
Witnesses at Karis baptism were Knud Olsen and wife (Marit Knudsdatter) at Kolstad and Ingeborg Knudsdatter, Kolstad (their daughter), and Knut Olsen, Hovi who could be Barbos brother born March 18 1867.
Barbos mother Ingeborg Knudsdatter and Marit Knudsdatter, Kolstad were sisters.
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Edited by - eibache on 29/07/2013 15:11:07 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/07/2013 : 15:44:45
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| It would be useful to know where Ole Gustaveson was in his early days in the US. From what I've seen it appears he was mostly in Wisconsin. Perhaps knowing that would give a place to find and confirm data about Barbo Olsdatter in US to compare to the Barbo in Norway. Cheryl do you have information about Ole's early years in US? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/07/2013 : 23:00:31
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Hmm.
Here is a head of household Mrs. Ole Vik living in Manitowoc County, Wisconsin in 1900:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11081-5421-60?cc=1325221&wc=MMPV-6QF:n583057614
She was born about 1854 Norway, has had 6 children, 5 of whom are living, is widowed and came to US in 1886. All of the 3 children in the household are listed as born in Wisconsin and there is a daughter whose name is indexed as Kamy but looking at the script could easily be Karnie or Karrie age abt 14.
Ole Halstenson who married Barbo was from a place in Vestre Slidre called Vikeie.
His last name is indexed weirdly as Ich but I think this is Ole Halstenson--his wife is listed as Barbo Olson.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XRWY-SVH
Here is the birth / baptism of Barbro Olsdatter (the one who married Ole Halstenson) #33:
Source information: Oppland county, Øystre Slidre, Parish register (official) nr. 1 (1849-1874), Birth and baptism records 1854, page 19.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8996&idx_id=8996&uid=ny&idx_side=-22
Here is Barbara Wick curiously listed as born Wisconsin and divorced with 4 children living in Eaton, Manitowoc county, Wisconsin in 1905:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MM3J-N91
Here is the transcription of the 1910 census listing for Barbo Wick. This time she is in Brannon in Price county, Wisconsin which was a location that Ole Gustaveson lived.:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MPVV-FP3
Here is the WWI draft registration of the son Alber O Wick. His birthplace is stated as Manitowoc county, Wisc. He is the support of his mother:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KZV6-VQQ |
Edited by - jkmarler on 31/07/2013 01:55:52 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/07/2013 : 02:20:19
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There is a Family Tree on Ancestry.com (isn't there always one?} with these people.
Ole Wick
Birth 7 March 1852 in Slidre, Oppland, Norway
Death
Barbara Wick
Birth abt 1871 in Norway
Death in California, USA
daughter
Carrie Wick
Birth 3 Aug 1885 in Rogne, Oppland, Norway
Death in , , California, USA
father of Ole is listed as
Halstein Wick
Birth abt 1819 in Slidre, Oppland, Norway
Death
mother is
Kari Jensdattter
father of Halstein Wick is listed as Iver Halsteinsen Vik
Birth abt 1790 in Slidre, Oppland, Norway
Mother is isted as Ingeboir Olsdatter.
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Edited by - AntonH on 31/07/2013 03:33:26 |
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Gustav Hansen
