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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 31/07/2013 : 02:32:03
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Carrie Wick married
Louis Ignacious Weber
Birth 23 Mar 1884 in Dittwar, Baden-Württemberg, Germany
Death Dec 1968 in Newbury Park, Ventura, California, United States of America
Here is the family in the 1920 US Census and probably where the owner of the Family Tree obtained the wrong birth year for Barbara Wick.
1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Louis Weber
[Lovie Weber]
Age: 35
Birth Year: abt 1885
Birthplace: Germany
Home in 1920: Gardena, Los Angeles, California
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1887
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Carrie Weber
Father's Birthplace: Germany
Mother's Birthplace: Germany
Home Owned: Rent
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Louis Weber
35
Carrie Weber
34
Hilda Weber
10
Barbara Weber
4
[4 3/12]
Evelyn Weber
0
[11]
Barbara Wick
67
[49]
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Edited by - AntonH on 31/07/2013 02:33:09 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 31/07/2013 : 02:37:13
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Here is the 1920 information on Barbara. Note the two birth years. Looking at the orginal census form, it is difficult to read the age, however the transcriber does have it as 67 and birth year as 1853.
1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Barbara Wick
[Barber Wick]
Age: 67
[49]
Birth Year: abt 1853
[abt 1871]
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1920: Gardena, Los Angeles, California
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1885
Relation to Head of House: Mother-in-law
Marital Status: Widowed
[Widow]
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/07/2013 : 02:37:51
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Yes, they look like keepers. Well in Ole "Ich"'s death record his father is listed as Halsten Iverson.
The daughter Carrie, as the family tree appears, was also in California. In the 1920 census Barbro (as Barbara Wick) was living with Carrie, Carrie's husband Louis Weber and their 3 daughters Hilda, Barbara & Evelyn in Gardena Twp, Los Angeles county, age 67, widowed.
Was hoping to find more details on Barbro, to see if Ole Gustaveson is identified as her son. But there migh not be such a record easily accessible. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 31/07/2013 02:39:00 |
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jkmarler
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/07/2013 : 03:12:38
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Looks like Carrie did not die until 1976, so where is she and her four daughters in 1930?
U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-Current
Name: Carrie Weber
SSN: 549-66-0968
Last Residence: 91107 Pasadena, Los Angeles, California, USA
Born: 3 Nov 1884
Died: Aug 1976
State (Year) SSN issued: California (1962
Can Not be the right Carrie as here is Louis and his daughters listed as a Widower in 1930.
1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Louis Weber
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1884
Birthplace: Germany
Race: White
Home in 1930: Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California
Map of Home:
Marital Status: Widowed
Immigration Year: 1889
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birthplace: Germany
Mother's Birthplace: Germany
Household Members:
Name Age
Louis Weber 46
Hilda Weber 20
Barbara Weber 15
Evelyn Weber 12
Ruth Weber 9
Laura M Weber 7 |
Edited by - AntonH on 31/07/2013 03:21:27 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/07/2013 : 03:33:30
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| Carrie's birthdate was 13 Aug 1885. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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AntonH
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/07/2013 : 04:29:39
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Is there some kind of relationship between Snipstad farm and Skramstad farm? Yes he's the one of the 3 Einar found who was of such an age that he could have been a father to someone in 1876.
Here is Barbro- who- married- Ole- Halstenson's family in 1900, both of her parents are living, perhaps there will be a dødsfallsprotokol for them???
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=f00544&gardpostnr=325&merk=325#ovre
And again in 1910 (did the census taker mess up? looks like the father is listed as Syver Olsen instead of Ole Syverson):
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036455000314
Barbro's mother's death #7 on bottom half of page:
Source information: Oppland county, Rogne in Øystre Slidre, Parish register copy nr. 8 (1911-1938), Death and burial records 1912, page 118.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1574&idx_id=1574&uid=ny&idx_side=-110
Barbro's father's death #8 on upper half of page:
Source information: Oppland county, Rogne in Øystre Slidre, Parish register copy nr. 8 (1911-1938), Death and burial records 1911, page 117.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1574&idx_id=1574&uid=ny&idx_side=-109
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/07/2013 : 17:09:19
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On Ancestry.com Family Tree there is a Family Tree for Hans Gulbrandsen and Oline Paulsdatter. Not much information except for the birth years. Gustav Hansen and his three siblings are listed. No sources listed. Here is Hans.
Hans Gulbrandsen
Birth 1811 in Snipstad Nedre Østre, Østre Toten, Oppland
Death AFT 1801 in Snipstad Nedre Østre, Østre Toten, Oppland
Owner is terjeroedhansen
Oslo
I sent him a message to see if he can add anything further to this particlular Gustav Hansen.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/08/2013 : 15:42:38
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From Terje Røed-Hansen
Sorry, I do not have mutch data on these:
Outline Descendant Report for Hans Gulbrandsen
1 Hans Gulbrandsen b: 1811 in Snipstad Nedre Østre, Østre Toten, Oppland, d: Aft. 1801 in Snipstad Nedre Østre, Østre Toten, Oppland
... + Oline Paulsdatter b: 1811 in Vestre Toten, Oppland, d: Bef. 1900 in Snipstad Nedre Østre, Østre Toten, Oppland
......2 Peder Hansen b: 1838 in Snipstad Nedre Østre, Østre Toten, Oppland
......2 Gustav Hansen b: 1844 in Snipstad Nedre Østre, Østre Toten, Oppland
......2 Mathias Hansen b: 1847 in Snipstad Nedre Østre, Østre Toten, Oppland
......2 Berte Marie Hansdatter b: 1852 in Snipstad Nedre Østre, Østre Toten, Oppland, d: Snipstad Nedre Østre, Østre Toten, Oppland
...... + Peder Hansen b: 29 Apr 1849 in Skumlien, Vardal, Oppland, d: Snipstad Nedre Østre, Østre Toten, Oppland
.........3 Hans Pedersen Snipstad b: 1874 in Snipstad Nedre Østre, Østre Toten, Oppland
.........3 Olga Pedersdatter Snipstad b: 1879 in Snipstad Nedre Østre, Østre Toten, Oppland |
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cherylconklin
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Posted - 26/12/2013 : 23:43:26
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Oh my gosh! I'm so sorry I didn't check back sooner! I went back to college and haven't been able to research this any further until now!
I will review your posts in detail. Thank you so much!
To answer a few questions. The information I gave you was given to me by a now deceased relative that performed the research. Besides Ole's birth certificate I have a copy of the ships manifest for the SS Angelo. Neither of which have I been able to locate online anywhere.
Ole Gustaveson, my great-great grandfather lived in Manitowoc, Wisconsin. He married Helene Mary Williams, born in Manitowoc and had 2 children: Irene and Norman.
Part of my research problem is that I have to utilize free resources.
Okay, I'm off to look at all the great links you all gave me! Thank you so much, and again, I apologize for not checking back sooner! I"m so excited! YAY!
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cherylconklin
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Posted - 02/01/2014 : 04:36:25
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Okay, I found a few letters to my great-grandma, Irene Weiland (Ole's daughter) from Roger Perrin who did some research at the library in Salt Lake City.
First, knowledge from myself and mother. Irene is Ole Gustaveson's daughter, born 6/5/1905 in Milwaukee, WI. She married a German immigrant, Edgar Weiland. I have Ole's birth certificate in Norwegian. It is from Ostre Slidre and just gives "Ole" as the child's name. The father is Gustav Hansen Skramstad - Ostre Thoten and the mother is Barb Olsdatter Hovi. I have a microfilm number of the ships manifest from the LDS library. the copy I have is hard to read. Ole married Helen Williams in Eaton Township, Manitowoc County, Wisconsin. They had two children, Irene Edna and Norman Earnest born 9/30/1909 in Ogama, WI. He lived in Wisconsin his whole life as far as I know. I have found some census records to back this up. He is buried in Valders, WI. According to Faith Lutheran Church records Harold Haldorsen sponsered Irene at baptism.
From Roger's letter:
Barbara Wick is Irene's grandmother and Roger's great gma. He is descended from Barbara Wick by Carrie Wick and Louis Weber, his grandparents. Roger's aunt is Hilda Weber. He says Carrie was born the same place as Ole. He extropolated, due to patronymics, that Ole's last name would be Gustaveson and Ole's father's name would have been Hans and Barbo's father would have been Ole. Roger also mentions that in the 1880's and before Norwegians used the place where they lived as a last name (parish or farm). Roger's grandfather was Ole Halstensen from the farm Vik (spelled Wik or Wick as well). Barbo remarried to Ole Halstensen Vik and then Ole moved to the Hovi farm. Carrie (spelled Kari in Norway) listed her parents as Ole Halstenson Hovi and Barbo Olsdatter Hovi. From 1850-1855 Hovi farm had 3 Oles with 3 different Barbos born to them. He says written on the bottom of Ole Gustaveson's birth certificate it says "Ole & brother left for America 4 years ago". The birth certificate was dated 3 March 1891 so Roger thought it was sent for after Ole was in America, maybe for naturalization or something. Roger says Carrie Wick was married to Louis Weber from Chicago and in CA in 1909.
Roger also had an article placed in the Valders Journal January 11, 1979 requesting information from relatives. The article quotes Norman, my ggma's brother, as saying that there were two Ole Gustaveson's and Perrins ancestors are not related to Norman.
Ole Gustaveson's obituary from The Valders Journal May 14, 1953 states he has a step-brother, Albert Wick of California.
So it sounds like maybe Ole Halstenson from the Angelo ship manifest is Ole Gustaveson's father, who became Ole Wick in America? That doesn't follow the Norwegian naming practices, does it? I don't know anything about Ole having siblings. I just got the contact information for Norman's children and need to contact them to see what they know.
Anyway, I hope this fills in some of the holes. I need to find someone to transcribe these Norwegian source documents for me. My web browser will translate the web pages but not the scanned documents. I wonder if I'll get this knot untangled! Thanks for all your work and I'll keep you updated as I gather information. |
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