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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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 Posted - 09/08/2013 : 23:46:46
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Names almost changed to the unknowable.
- Asgjer; Asgier (male) Asgierd (female) 136 in 1801, none in 1865, more common in 1900.
- Asser is a old name, 102 persons in the 1801 census, ca 50 in 1865
- Names starts with Ans; Ansteen 167 persons i 1801, 120 in 1865
- Ansgar, common from 1900, could perhaps be Oscar ca 1850 in the US, Oscar was/is a common name in Norway
I guess the clerk wrote down what he heard, many of the imm. could not write or read, and with some hundred dialects in Norway, some diff. to understand even for a Norwegian today, no wonder that written names changed to the unknowable.
An example,
Eastern Norway; "Har du fått noe ørett på stanga"
Outher Sogn; "Hev du fått nokre tjø på troa"
English; Have you got any trout on the (fishimg) rod
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 02:51:27
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Okay the John Petterson mentioned earlier came as a 19 year old. He was born 1 April 1831 in Sauherad. He also is listed as leaving in the church records. The ship he came on was the Colon sailing from Kragerø on 15 June 1850 & arrived in New York on 12 Aug 1850. Very many of the folk on the boat were from Telemark, a number from Sauherad and a number of these ended up in Columbia county, Wisconsin amongst other Wisconsin places. His parents are given as Peder Olsen Kuslongen and Aslaug Larsdatter. No other biographical information about John Petterson is included in the book, Volume 5 1850 of the Norwegian Immigrants to the United States: a Biographical Directory 1825-1850. eliminated see pg 5 this topic.
Also in Volume 2, the book covering 1844, I found no John nor variant of John including Hans, with any patronymic name b. during the 1830s whose father's patronymic was Pederson.
I haven't been able to generate any traction on the family [ies] in Columbia county, Wisconsin 1850 census. They don't seem to appear in any of the Directories, nor with any degree of certainty, in other records from the county..
I have also used the passenger search on this site for the many possible name spelling combinations but cannot say that there was any compelling finding. there either.
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janray
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 11/08/2013 : 12:08:04
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Goodness, yes I can see how very important a proven birth date is and also the birthplace.
Also how "corn-foosing"  it can easily be........I'm totally confuzzled now.
To be honest, I will have to get in touch with one of the ladies who put this family book together but she is in her 80's now (I'm one of the latest to have asked for a copy).
Our John Pearson's occupation in Australia was "Railway Worker" working on the first line out west and after his land grant in 1887, which he and his wife named "Hillside", he was a "Dairy Farmer."
This farm was taken over in later years by his daughter (my great grandmother) and her husband who continued to run the dairy and also a Boarding House. On that land, the family generations continued to live and it is now occupied by one of Johan and Martha's great grandchildren, who's mother (also Martha) lived in that house and raised her family.
Now.....if I can just find the other questions without losing this post.
I will post this one and then go back to the other Q's.
I appreciate that everyone is trying to ascertain that we have the right man.
Some of the info. from so far back could easily just be lost in the years and translations which have passed by. |
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janray
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 11/08/2013 : 12:35:57
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Some answers to the best of my knowledge.
1. Birth date was taken from the Blue Mountains Pioneer Register - Pre 1920's. Entry No. 361.
I will have to answer one at a time as I keep losing the reply box. Not very good at navigating my way around. |
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janray
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 11/08/2013 : 12:40:29
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2. Yes, Oslo was a family tradition source as far as I know but I will need to check up on that.
3. The siblings list is set out in the family tree however, I feel certain that whoever in the family wrote this info. would have taken it from a reliable source, (perhaps BDM micro fiche ?) Will check up on that too.
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janray
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 11/08/2013 : 12:46:14
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4. I have never heard any info. about John's time in the U.S. Jane C. sorry. It's a blank as far as family stories go.
5. Yes, his first son was John C. born 17th September, 1864.
Thank you for the offer of an email......I just saw your post regarding this.
I am quite happy to give you my email address........do I put it on this site? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2013 : 16:50:48
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Going through my KNA kart map book there are only a few places other than Kragerø with a combination of the letters found in "kiragira":
Kråkerøy
Kjerringa
Kvitteggja
Kåravik
Karøyan
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 11/08/2013 : 17:00:31
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Krakerøy is perhaps Kråkerøy (Crow-island) at Fredrikstad town, Østfold County.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2013 : 18:40:27
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I post this baptism rec. for safekeeping.
Do not be confused of all the postings, this is probably not the right Johan, just for safety.........
If a doc. has blurred handwrting or bad ink 21 and 29 can be misinterpreted.
Johannes Pedersen born April 21. 1836 in Glemmen at Fredrikstad (same parish as Kråkerøy) and bap. at home July 17.
Parents;
Shipmaster Peder Jonsen and Johanne Jonsdatter #27
No sign of them in Glemmen 1865, have not seached in other parish`s.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2013 : 19:12:16
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| How interesting there is a Johan Hendrik just above at #22 who was born 29 April 1836, no Peder or Pederson connection though. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2013 : 19:43:45
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I saw him too, for a second I  ...........
Johan Hendrich Simonsen.
His aunt took care of Johan, he was an orphan.
What if he lived under his aunts lastname in the US.
If she was a Pedersen and was the sister to Johans unknown mother with lastname Pedersen.
Many ifs.......sorry, but all options must be kept open.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2013 : 22:59:08
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Here are all the 14 year old males whose first name starts with Jo with any last name at the 1850 Norwegians in US database from digitalarkivet:
John Petersen 14 m Norway 54 Columbia Co., Otsego Wisconsin
4610 John Jackson 14 m Norway 205 Exeter Green Wisconsin
5550 John Hovel 14 m Norway 270 Wiota La Fayette Wisconsin utv. 1848
5913 John Christenson 14 m Norway 68 Newton Manitowoc Wisconsin
6185 John Christenson 14 m Norway 550 Newton T. Manitowoc Wisconsin utv. 1845 fra Ringerike
9111 John Gunderson 14 m Norway 385 Whitewater Walworth Wisconsin
9138 John Nelson 14 m Norway 388 Whitewater Walworth Wisconsin utv. 1846
12108 John Swainson 14 m Norway 273 1 Ward Chicago Cook Illinois
John Nelson, like John Petersen, is in a household headed by people who have a different last name than his:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=16&filnamn=US1850&gardpostnr=9138&merk=9138#ovre
Anders Gunderson family with whom John Nelson lives in 1850 were from Holla, Telemark. They came on the Bowditch from Havre (France I assume) lading in New York on 8 Aug 1846.
It's complicated. Anne, the "wife" in the household is the daughter of Christen Pederson Vassdalen and Anne Arnesdatter Rugla. That is the only Pederson link, very tenuous. John Nelson is identified as the child named Jens Nielsen of Anne's first marriage to Niels Jakob Jensen Berven and is listed with a birthdate of 13 Mar 1835. There is no other information about him in the book, |
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Tim Pearson
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Australia
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Posted - 18/03/2014 : 11:30:43
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Hi All,
Shamefully it's been a while since I've been able to sink my teeth into the research. The research everyone has done is fantastic!
I restarted my research by taking stock of where I got up to, and thought I'd sum it up here. Concrete source evidence I have are:
- Death Certificate
- Certificate of Naturalization
- Photo of tombstone
- Wages card from NSW railways (sighted, no copy taken)
Having had a chance to take step back and the re-assess the evidence, there are a couple of key points/issues I have in identifying who "John Pearson" was:
1. according to the death certificate John Pearson died on the 21st March 1913 age 76, however his tombstone stats age 77, this would add an extra 12 month window to our possible window in birth date
2. The ship "Oscar". The line of research that has been followed in this thread would suggest the ship that left New York, which has given me pause, as the first line of inquisition I followed was the ship of the same name that left Gravesend, Kent, Dec 9th 1859, to arrive in NSW via Melbourne in 1860. This line of enquiry came from my visit to the state archives if NSW where I found ship logs (if which I very shamefully and am very sorry to say I can't find the record of) for the Oscar from Kent.
I apologise for not bringing anything new to the thread, thinking out loud has helped. If anyone is keen, I'd love to provide copies of the source material I've found, and I'm intending to push to find out who John was.
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spearson
New on board
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Posted - 14/11/2016 : 09:55:22
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Hi everyone!
Like Tim, I'm late to the party.
I've been doing my own research lately. John Pearson is also a relative of mine. My Great Great Great Grandfather. From a source at Hill End Family History Archive, John Pearson is the Son of Petter Hench Wennebory, (more likely Wenneborg as a spelling error) Married an Elizabeth Christiansen was his mother and he was born April 3rd, 1836 Apparently. Born in Kragerø, (now Christiana), Telemark, Norway.
Anyway. I've been looking for other living descendants of John. He had lots of Kids, but I've found the family lines of 4 of his children. Jan Murray. If I can get a hold of you sometime we can make that 5. I believe you're Lilly's Granddaughter. I'd love to hear from you. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/11/2016 : 11:29:29
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Hi spearson, nice to hear from you. At the same time, your post is puzzling, as it contradicts the research done so far. Although you contradict the findings, you don't provide evidence as to why you are correct and the paper trail is wrong.
1) You state that your John Pearson was born in Kragerø (now Christiania). That one's easy to fix. Christiania is the old name for Oslo. Kragerø has never been called Christiania.
2) You state he "Married an Elizabeth Christiansen was his mother." So we'll fix that, it's just a typo, and say that in your story, Elizabeth Christiansen was not his wife, she was his mother.
3) You say his father was Petter Hench Wennebory (probably means Wenneborg).
4) You say your John was born April 1836.
5) If I guessed right about the mother, this is the birth-baptism record that most closely corresponds to your information.
02 October 1835 in Kragerø, Telemark
birth of Johan Carl
parents Peter Hench Wenneberg and Hedevig Elisabet Christensen
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The Johan Carl born above is found in Kristiania (=Oslo) in the 1865 Norway census.
1865
Johan Carl Wenneberg was still in Kristiania in 1875 census. He is listed as "ug," = unmarried.
1875
Still in Oslo in 1885, now married with children.
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Johan Pedersen Born April, 1836.
