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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 23/08/2013 : 00:37:29
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Originally posted by Carrie B
The death of Elling looks like the cause of death is "nervefeber" (nerve fever). Do you think this is a mental breakdown, or is it typhoid fever?
Here is a link to www.archaicmedicalterms.com. They list Nerve fever in with Typhoid:
www.archaicmedicalterms.com/German/GermanN.htm" target="_blank">http://www.archaicmedicalterms.com/German/GermanN.htm
It was a real disease, not a covering up term for mental illness. While I'm on that I read somewhere that the rates of schizophrenia among the Norwegian-American 1st & 2nd generations after the migration was found to be 3 -4 times the rate in the population in Norway. The stress of pulling up stakes and relocating apparently has unforeseen effects. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/08/2013 : 00:54:43
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Originally posted by Carrie B
Would the Johanna Nicolaisdatter Johnsen have taken the last name Iverson when she became widowed? Or is this too unlikely? Still, the headmistress and Johanna Johnsen were both from Evindvig, making this a likely match
Also, the Ivar Ivers. listed in the 1865 orphanage census could be a different boarder? He is not specified as being Johanne's son. ?
There were only 3 people with a professed birthplace of Evindvig in Oslo in the 1865 census, one was Johanne Ivers, the other two are a professor and his wife. I searched for Gulen but found none listed. So a very small pool of people in Oslo.
Some folks were adopting the inheriting of surnames before the 1923 law which required Norwegians to take a permanent last name. Most cultural changes are gradual rather than by fiat! But it was a genealogical research concern that Ivar might have had a different name. But I'm confident that he lived with his mother. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/08/2013 : 00:57:15
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No doubt that it's the same ppl.
1851-1858: Elling Iversen, Board at Toftes Gave orphanage in Oslo (Munkedamsveien 37)
1865: Widow Johanne Iversen (56), Board at Hægdehougsveien Pleiestiftelsen orphanage in Oslo (Hegdehaugsveien 3)
1865: Ivar Iversen (9). Child at Hægdehougsveien Pleiestiftelsen orphanage in Oslo (Hegdehaugsveien 3)
1875: Widow !! Iversen born 1822, Munkedamsveien 21 in Oslo.
1875: Sailor Ivar Iversen born 1857, Munkedamsveien 21 in Oslo.
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Carrie B
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Posted - 23/08/2013 : 01:25:16
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Beautiful research. I can't say it enough times!
I also enjoy the feeling of things being "complete" and settled in my mind. Nice to see the confirmation that Ivar (Iver F.) was a sailor, and that was recorded in the Norwegian record before he left for Chicago. I'd always wondered why Iver F. came to Chicago alone, but it makes sense given that his father died so soon after his birth.
The reason I'd asked about "nerve fever" is that that branch of my family has a history of suicide and mental illness. Iver himself disappeared around 1901; we don't know whether he simply ran away or something else. Iver's son A. Louis did commit suicide in the 1930s after the family moved to Detroit area, and so did A. Louis' daughter. It ended up being a sad story, as it appears that Iver's wife Elen also died in an unfortunate manner. Family history said she intentionally ran in front of a street car. I am very curious to see the coroner's report for both Elen and Johanne in Chicago. I'll definitely post an update here when the records arrive.
Jwiborg, amazing find of the university record. That is a real gem!
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 23/08/2013 : 07:09:39
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Nicolai Joensen, Yttre Midthun and Kari Ottesdatter, Undertun were married July 8 1806, top of left page.
Kari Ottesdatter was baptized Nov 14 1780, 3rd record on left page. Her father was Otte Olsen, Undertun.
Kari and her widowed mother in 1801.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 29/08/2013 : 07:10:22
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I'm posting this for when you decide again to look into Iver F. Iverson's fate.
Thinking he may have gone back to Norway, I checked the 1910 census but of the 40ish people with his birthdate in the census, none really looked like they could be him.
I found these two listings at familysearch.org and decided to look into this Iver to rule in or out. I think he can be ruled out. This death date is when his remains were found. In reality he probably froze to death in a snowstorm on or abut 31 Dec 1915. He had 2 brothers who also lived in Montana & was reportedly survived by a wife in Seattle, Wash. The men came from nordre Fron, Norway. There is also a headstone for him and his brother Isaac Iverson at findagrave.com.
Possible Iverson in 1910 b abt 1858 widowed living in Idaho:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MLHL-3YZ
Iver Iverson d. 21 Aug 1917 b. 1857 d. Montana:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VHC5-YJJ
Since your new symphonic garden update had an additional more "mature" aged photo of Iver taken in Brooklyn New York, I looked in the New York Deaths index at the Italian Genealogy site and found that there were 6 Iver Iverson / Iversen listings. This fellow looked the closest in age to yours:
Iverson Iver 50 y May 18 1906 16584 Manhattan I162
One other record which might fill in details about your Iver would be the sailor's records from Norway. Basically its a resume of the sailings, ships and captains he worked for as a sailor. The records are not available online but you must contact the archives to get the records.
I've read a map since my earlier post about his church location and Munkedamsveien is within a few blocks of the docks in Oslo--good place to be for a sailor. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/08/2013 : 07:52:28
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Nicolai Joensen, Yttre Midthun was baptized Oct 5 1780, #90.
His father was Joen Ellingsen.
The parents and siblings in 1801.
Joen Ellingsen, Berge and Anna Olsdatter, Liehoug were married July 10 1781, see #56.
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Carrie B
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Carrie B
Medium member
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Posted - 04/10/2013 : 13:40:30
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Well I heard back from the Norwegian archives! ...
Unfortunately,
"Informatiom about the experience for Ivar Frithjof Iversen f 1857.
The Regional State Archives of Oslo have received your letter dated 16.09.2013.
We keep the archives of the Merchant Marine Shipping office of Oslo. We have searched in the indexes of the seaman’s rolls, but we are sorry to tell that we have not found the person in question. We can neither give you any additional information."
I feel like I've reached a dead end for the time being, and it is unsettling! There are the possibilities of the death certificates-- one from New York, and another Iver Iverson from Seattle, Washington. (This is a slight possibility because this individual's birth was 1857. An earlier Seattle directory also lists an 'Iver Iverson' as a sailor.)
Not sure where to proceed from here. :-(
Anyway, here is the new and improved family story. Putting it in website form will be easier for future updates. The Tesli information from Norway has not changed except for correcting the errors, but I've added information on Iver's parents (Elling and Johanne), and a lot of newspaper articles from the 1900s-1920s from Illinois. New pictures will be added when I receive them from my aunt. http://www.thesymphonicgarden.net/tesli---iverson-genealogy.html
Thanks again for all the help so many of you have provided. It is a fascinating journey!
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 04/10/2013 : 15:53:56
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| Of the candidate Iver Iverson who died on 4 Mar 1926 in Washington state, the familysearch version of the information on him includes his age: 69 years, 5 months, 16 days. In the date calculator in my program this renders a birthdate of 18 Sept 1856. Close but, no cigar. |
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Carrie B
Medium member
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Posted - 04/10/2013 : 16:03:27
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| Thanks for finding the data to rule him out, Jackie. I hadn't thought to look at Familysearch for more details. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2013 : 17:01:05
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One thing, Iver doesn't appear in the homocide victims list in the Chicago databases for those records dated 1870-1930. Likely such an event would have been found in the newspaper search you have already done.
Try the sexton at Mt Olive cemetery. People are often buried with their family members or have their plots purchased by family. |
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Carrie B
Medium member
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Posted - 04/10/2013 : 22:02:15
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It gets weirder and weirder.
Following Jackie's suggestion I tried contacting the Mt. Olive cemetery sexton several weeks ago. It seems they are now operated by a larger group, Dignity Memorial. I filled out an online request but had not heard back.
This afternoon I called Mt. Olive directly. The lady I talked with was pleasant but there was a pretty large language barrier and we had difficulty understanding each other. She said she was able to look up the records, so I asked for "all of the information you have." She repeated everything and spelled it for me, so I'm reasonably confident that this is what the records actually say.
Ingeborg Theslie (mother of Ellen, mother-in-law of Iver):
In a 3.5 person plot-- 3 people plus 1/2 space for "carnations"
Only Ingeborg's plot is filled. There are two other spaces open.
The owner of the plot is "Joan Theslie." (Who in the world is this? A quick Ancestry and Familysearch finds a Joan Teasley, but the age and location don't make sense to me.)
A person named "Anna Ingeborg" is also listed. I wasn't able to understand if a space was reserved for her, or something else. I've not found anything in Ingeborg's name to "Anna," so I think this is a different Ingeborg. There are some Ingeborg Annas and Anna Ingeborgs in Chicago at that time. One could certainly be a wife of a Tesli relative, but so far no match.
The other person with a plot is "K K Jestin." ? So far no matches for this person, either. There are some "Testins" in Chicago which wishful thinking might see as a stretch from Tesli / Teslien... but it's a far stretch.
The woman from the cemetery wasn't able to tell me anything else such as cause of death. It seems like some strange information. If I take a vacation next summer I just may go to Chicago to look at these records directly.
Thanks for the suggestions, Jackie! |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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7790 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2013 : 23:36:17
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"Joen Theslie" may be the John O. Tessly or Tesley born in Chicago in 1871 to Norwegian parents Jacob Ols. Teslie and Kristine /Christina Johnson. This John is also found in the 1900 census in Chicago as the nephew of the head of a family whose last name is Bjornstad....
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MSQK-WQ7
While you are waiting for initiatives regards Ivar Iverson to bear fruit you might consider posting a query for some of the unknown Tesli cousins. For instance there is an Ole Tesli b abt 1859 living in Clearwater county, Minnesota in 1910.... |
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Carrie B
Medium member
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Posted - 08/02/2014 : 19:01:22
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Hello everyone,
I've done some more dabbling and still have not solved the mystery of the disappearing Iver Iverson out of Chicago around 1901-1905. However, Fold3 uploaded additional records, and I found some more information on Iver's life in Brooklyn from 1890-1899. Now on Fold3, if an individual was a witness to a naturalization, that is also showing up in the records.
Iver was the witness/reference for the naturalizations of the following individuals from Norway: Jens Severtsen, Johan Johnsen, Harold Borch, Harry P. Ness, Emar Simensen, Alfred Severn Anderssen, and Gotchald J. Schervee. Most of these occurred on separate dates over a span of several years, and their careers ranged from sailor to grocer to metal spinner. I explored a bit of their information in the Brooklyn directories and discovered that most of them lived and worked within a few blocks: President Street, Columbia Street, Carroll Street. Additionally, Iver's bookstore seemed to move around every year within that general area, and it seems like the same was true of these individuals: every few years they seemed to rotate between a set of addresses in that general area.
I was hoping one of these people would end up being the man and his son from the Iverson bookstore picture, but so far I'm not certain of any matches.
Just wanted to say hello and share those updates.
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