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vmoulder
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Posted - 06/09/2013 :  21:10:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have been searching for Axel Berntsen, born 1883 Arendal, Norway. He immigrated in 1910. He married Josephine Pedersen in 1913 in Brooklyn. On his marriage certificate in Brooklyn he lists his parents as John Berntsen and Elisabeth Andersen There is a WWII draft registration in 1942 showing him born Jan. 19, 1883 in Alendel (which probably should be Arendal). He was naturalized in 1938 at US district court in Brooklyn. His social security application shows him as Axel Wilhelm Berntsen b Jan. 19, 1883, and his parents as Berent Johan Ericksen and Marie Elisabeth Andersen on Feb. 9, 1937, and place of birth as Arendal, Norway. He is on the 1915 NYS census in Brooklyn, and on the federal census of 1920, 1930. They show his parents being born in Norway.

I've searched Digitalarkivet and cannot find Axel or his parents anywhere. Neither the census nor the Arendal birth records show anything.

Hopefully someone will be able to help

jkmarler
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Posted - 06/09/2013 :  22:25:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Perhaps his name in Norway was Axel Johnson?

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=7&filnamn=f00914&gardpostnr=342&personpostnr=1758&merk=1758#ovre
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jwiborg
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Posted - 06/09/2013 :  23:06:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A possibility:
Carpenter Axel Wilhelm Brunstrom (27) from Arendal, Norway arrived New York on May 01, 1910 on the ship The Caledonia
His destination was Scandinavian Sailors home in Brooklyn, New York.
But: He is listed as born in Finland.
Closest relative is Peter Erikson in Arendal.
Possibly this one in Census-1910? Peter's wife listed as Marie. Census-1900
The parents are born in Holt, Aust-Agder, just east of Arendal.
Peter is working at Nes Jernverk (Nes Ironworks) in Tvedestrand.

Jan Peter

Edited by - jwiborg on 06/09/2013 23:32:35
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jkmarler
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Posted - 06/09/2013 :  23:33:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a possible father is Bernt Berntson child is Axel born 1883 but not born Arendal born vestre Bĉrum:

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=7&filnamn=f00219&gardpostnr=85&personpostnr=625&merk=625#ovre

Edited by - jkmarler on 06/09/2013 23:36:29
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jwiborg
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Posted - 06/09/2013 :  23:43:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think "Axel Wilhelm Brunstrom" is a very strong possibility.

First name is correct: Axel
Middle name is correct: Wilhelm
Year of birth is correct: 1883
Year of immigration is correct: 1910
Destination is correct: Brooklyn, NY
Father's last name is correct: Erikson
Mothers first name is correct: Marie
Last residence is correct: Arendal
Parents place of birth is correct: Norway

Being born in Finland could be wrong... the others below him on the manifest are Finnish, while the ones above him are Swedish and Norwegians.

He could be born in Holt or Tvedestrand, or it could be that the parents were on a trip in Finland when he was born (less likely).

Jan Peter
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vmoulder
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Posted - 06/09/2013 :  23:59:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

Here is a possible father is Bernt Berntson child is Axel born 1883 but not born Arendal born vestre Bïż½rum:

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=7&filnamn=f00219&gardpostnr=85&personpostnr=625&merk=625#ovre

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vmoulder
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Posted - 07/09/2013 :  00:07:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg

I think "Axel Wilhelm Brunstrom" is a very strong possibility.

First name is correct: Axel
Middle name is correct: Wilhelm
Year of birth is correct: 1883
Year of immigration is correct: 1910
Destination is correct: Brooklyn, NY
Father's last name is correct: Erikson
Mothers first name is correct: Marie
Last residence is correct: Arendal
Parents place of birth is correct: Norway

That sounds interesting. I don't know where Brunstrom would have come from. Wonder how I can find out more information on this one.
Being born in Finland could be wrong... the others below him on the manifest are Finnish, while the ones above him are Swedish and Norwegians.

He could be born in Holt or Tvedestrand, or it could be that the parents were on a trip in Finland when he was born (less likely).

Jan Peter

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jwiborg
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Posted - 07/09/2013 :  00:18:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Take a look at the original ship manifest at http://www.ellisisland.org/
Search for Brunstrom.
The manifest also says he has been in New York in 1906/1907. The manifest has two pages.

Hint: When you reply, select " Reply to Topic" rather than "Reply with quote"

Jan Peter

Edited by - jwiborg on 07/09/2013 00:20:51
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Kċarto
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Posted - 07/09/2013 :  00:20:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

Here is a possible father is Bernt Berntson child is Axel born 1883 but not born Arendal born vestre Bĉrum:

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=7&filnamn=f00219&gardpostnr=85&personpostnr=625&merk=625#ovre



He was born Mai 1. 1883 (source; 1910 ceneus)

Kċre

Edited by - Kċarto on 07/09/2013 00:29:58
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Kċarto
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Posted - 07/09/2013 :  00:22:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There are Alendal farms in Skjold, todays Vindafjord municipality.

Kċre
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jwiborg
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Posted - 07/09/2013 :  00:29:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sailor Petter Eriksen & Marie Aslaksdatter got married on 04 Jul 1890
A bit late, if they had children born already in 1883...

Is there another Peter Eriksen in the Aust-Agder region, who could be the father to "Axel Wilhelm Brunstrom"?

Jan Peter
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vmoulder
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Posted - 07/09/2013 :  00:54:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg

Take a look at the original ship manifest at http://www.ellisisland.org/
Search for Brunstrom.
The manifest also says he has been in New York in 1906/1907. The manifest has two pages.

Hint: When you reply, select " Reply to Topic" rather than "Reply with quote"

Jan Peter


I found the ship's manifest listing Axel Brunstrom. It says his father's name was Peter Eriksen. I don't think this would be the right one then since his US records Berent Johan. I am really stumped.
Thanks for the hint, but I cannot find a "reply to topic". I am totally new to this forum, so don't really know how to get around it. Where did you find the other information such as his parents, etc.

Edited by - vmoulder on 07/09/2013 01:12:08
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jwiborg
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Posted - 07/09/2013 :  01:27:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm sure you will find a "Reply to topic" if you look further down, towards the bottom of the page...

I haven't found "Axel Wilhelm Brunstrom"'s parents. The only clue is his fathers name from the ship manifest, and an address which looks like "34 ..... Arendal"

I found one Peter Eriksen in Holt/Tvedestrand, which is next to Arendal, in census-1900 and 1910, but I'm in doubt if he is the correct one. He and his wife are born in 1864, and they married in 1890. So it's likely that this Peter Eriksen could be ruled out.

But still; the Axel Wilhelm arriving in 1910 could be the right one.

Jan Peter

Edited by - jwiborg on 07/09/2013 01:50:02
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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/09/2013 :  05:55:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What occupation did Axel follow in America?
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jwiborg
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Posted - 07/09/2013 :  11:02:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

What occupation did Axel follow in America?

Carpenter.



He died Oct. 1964 in Brooklyn.

Jan Peter

Edited by - jwiborg on 07/09/2013 11:05:34
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eibache
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Posted - 07/09/2013 :  11:20:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
1930 census recordings:
Name Axel Berntsen
spouse:Josephine Berntsen
children:John W Berntsen, Theodore Berntsen, Andrew Berntsen
Place Brooklyn (Districts 1001-1250), Kings, New York, United States
Birth Year (Estimated)1883
BirthplaceNorway
Immigration Year1910
Father's BirthplaceNorway
Mother's BirthplaceNorway

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