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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 07/09/2013 : 12:35:07
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Perhaps his name in Norway was Axel Johnson?
Blacksmith Apprentice Axel Johnsen seems to be the twin Axel, born 13 Dec 1883; parents Blacksmith John Aslaksen & Augusta Nilsdatter, Tvedestrand.
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 07/09/2013 12:36:39 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/09/2013 : 13:42:05
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Ellis Island Website
Ship's Manifest, SS Adriatic
sailing from Southampton UK
arriving New York City USA
08 December 1910
Aksel Berentsen age 32
Occupation: Steward (? hard to read - several seamen appear each side of him on the passenger manifest)
Last permanent residence: Arendal
Several men grouped together, including Aksel, "friend of P.A. Grän, shipsxxx, Sandefjord" (?? shipsowner??)
Final Destination: SS Ellen in New York**
Page 2 has additional information -
Whether ever before been in the USA: yes, 1907, various ports
Whether going to a relative or friend: XXXX XXXX "Ellen" c/o Messrs X and X, New York NY
**Additional people on this page of the manifest are going to the Ellen and additional people are from Arendal. Fair number of the names are Finnish.
***Rather than being a crew's list this looks like crewmen traveling as passengers to their next ship.
age is wrong |
Edited by - JaneC on 07/09/2013 13:55:06 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2013 : 14:01:56
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quote:
Originally posted by JaneC
"friend of P.A. Grän, shipsxxx, Sandefjord" (?? shipsowner??)
P.A. Grön, styrmand (mate), Sandefjord
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/09/2013 : 16:25:57
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| There was an Axel Berntson age 24 arriving New York 17 Apr 1907 on the Carmania whose residence was indexed as Kislsingford but when I read the residence name it was Helsingfors or Helsinki, Finland. He also is listed as born in Helsingfors. He is going to a friend Hugo Holst in Brooklyn, N.Y. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 07/09/2013 17:09:17 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/09/2013 : 18:09:03
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Here is the UK record, probably the same as the person Jan Peter found arriving. Here in the orginal manifest he is also listed as a Finn and the people above and below him are listed as Norwegians.
UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Axel W Brunstrom
Gender: Male
Age: 27
Birth Date: abt 1883
Departure Date: 23 Apr 1910
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Destination Port: New York, USA
Ship Name: Caledonia
Search Ship Database:
Shipping Line: Anchor Line
Official Number: 121218
Master: W Baxter |
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vmoulder
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 07/09/2013 : 18:12:22
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| He was a carpenter. The copies that jan Peter show are the copies I have in addition to the census records. i also have a copy of his marriage certificate on which he lists his father as John Berntsen and mother as Elisabeth Andersen. On the other record his father is Berent Johan Ericksen and mother as Marie Elisabeth Andersen.. John could have gone by his middle name Johan/John. Why the last name on the marriage certificate is Berntsen, I don't know. Maybe it was a family name? On the 1865 census in Egersund there is a Berent Johannes Berentsen, born in Egersund in 1852, with his parents Berent Johannes Johnsen and Inger Gurine Jakobsdtr. Don't think there is any connection there though. Axel showed his father's last name as Ericksen. It just seems so frustrating that I can't find a birth for Axel anywhere on Jan. 19, 1883. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/09/2013 : 18:53:48
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Axel Wilhelm BRUNSTRÖM is born 19 Jan 1883
Under notes:
Säges vara gift i Norge, vistas i Amerika sedan 1912 enl Houtskärs kb. Källa: Göran Karlsson, Pargas
Said to be married in Norway, staying in America since 1912, according to Houtskär churchbook. Source: Göran Karlsson, Pargas
Familytree contact
Axel Wilhelm's brother Johannes Oskar Brunström (1887-1959).
Johannes ("John") stayed in America since 1912, but went home to Finland, got married and became a farmer in Träsk Klemets in 1935.
US WWI Draft Registration Card
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Edited by - jwiborg on 07/09/2013 20:20:25 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/09/2013 : 20:15:10
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! !
Parents:
Johan Erik Brunström b 24.09.1849 in Houtskär, Hyppeis, Hinders Jungfruskär, Finland
Eufemia Maria Johansdotter b 23.11.1859 in Houtskär, Hyppeis, Finland
SOURCE: Brunström Family Tree on Ancestry.com |
Edited by - JaneC on 07/09/2013 20:25:28 |
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vmoulder
Starting member
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Posted - 07/09/2013 : 21:02:12
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| I know the birthdate of the person born in Finland is right, but I really am not so sure about the rest of him. Names are not right, and Alex knew his parents were born in Norway, and he was also. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/09/2013 : 21:17:02
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I'm 110% sure this is the right guy.
I gave you a link to a Familytree contact above. Contact him, and ask what sources in the Houtskär churchbook says that Axel Wilhelm BRUNSTRÖM married in Norway and went to America. You should also contact the source Göran Karlsson in Pargas, Finland.
The norwegian 1910 census shows 27 ppl from Finland living in the Arendal region, most of them are sailors. Arendal was a big seaport at that time.
All the names and the location of the hometown Houtskär indicates that their mother tongue was Swedish (ie. not Finnish). 88% of the residents in Houtskär have Swedish as their mother tongue.
Swedish-speaking population of Finland
Houtskär on wikipedia (Swedish).
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Edited by - jwiborg on 07/09/2013 21:54:47 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/09/2013 : 22:01:00
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| You can also contact the creator of the family tree on Ancestry.com. You can get a free 14-day subscription in order to do so, if you don't subscribe. |
Edited by - JaneC on 07/09/2013 22:32:47 |
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vmoulder
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Posted - 07/09/2013 : 22:54:51
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| I wrote to the owner of the Sundblom family tree. We'll see if I hear back. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 08/09/2013 : 02:01:33
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I understand your doubts, and you have good reasons for it, considering the different names used.
First of all; I don't think there can be any question that the 27 y.o. Carpenter Axel Wilhelm BRUNSTRÖM from Finland which arrives New York in 1910 is the same as the Axel Wilhelm BRUNSTRÖM born in Houtskärs, Finland 19 Jan 1883. His destination in 1910 was Scandinavian Sailors Home in 172 Carroll St., Brooklyn, NY. Last residence reads Arendal, Norway.
And you are looking for a carpenter by the name of Axel Wilhelm born 19 Jan 1883 who immigrated from Arendal, Norway to Brooklyn, New York in 1910.
How many carpenters by the name of Axel Wilhelm born 19 Jan 1883 immigrated from Arendal to New York in 1910?
What I don't really understand, is why Axel W. Brunström list his father as Peter Erikson in the ship manifest. It should have said Johan Erik BRUNSTRÖM. Difficult to read his address, but could it be "34 sognefjelde, Arendal" ? The characters crashes with the line below which reads father Heikki Farkia, Haukivuori.
Haven't found a street named sognefjelde in Arendal... Sognefjellet is a famous mountain area in Norway, and quite far from Arendal.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 08/09/2013 10:50:00 |
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vmoulder
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Posted - 08/09/2013 : 02:51:36
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| The US records show that Axel was born in Arendal, but who knows if he was living there when he emigrated. There is a 1885 census for Arendal, and they are not on there. Strange too that I cannot find his birth on the Arendal church records. I know the church records are listed according to the christening date. Is it possible he was never christened, and would his birth still be listed??? |
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