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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 08/09/2013 : 03:03:31
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Was Axel a practicing Lutheran or was he some other denomination? There are quite a few registers of "dissenters" in Arendal, that is non-lutherans, presumably due to the large number of other nationalities brought there by the shipping trade.
Far off the wall is another possibility that he was born on Arendal farm of which there were two, one in Skogn in Nord Trøndelag and Loppa in Finnmark. |
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vmoulder
Starting member
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Posted - 08/09/2013 : 04:17:10
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| I don't know what religion they were in Norway. I assumed they were Lutheran, but found out they went to the Methodist church in Brooklyn. As for the Arendal farm that's a thought. My only thought though is that when being asked where he was born he would have mentioned a town, not a farm. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 08/09/2013 : 04:21:46
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| There was a Methodist congregation register for Arendal at the digitalarkivet. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 08/09/2013 : 10:57:56
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Do you know someone who knew Axel Berntsen?
If he was born in Houtskär, Finland, he would have had Swedish and not Norwegian as his mother tongue. Or rather Swedish with a very distinct Finnish accent.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 08/09/2013 : 12:03:06
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Originally posted by vmoulder
The US records show that Axel was born in Arendal, but who knows if he was living there when he emigrated. There is a 1885 census for Arendal, and they are not on there. Strange too that I cannot find his birth on the Arendal church records. I know the church records are listed according to the christening date. Is it possible he was never christened, and would his birth still be listed???
Being born in Arendal, it could also mean that he was christened in one of the surrounding churches which are very close to the city.
Today; all these regions (except Froland) belong to Arendal municipality:
- Arendal
- Austre Moland
- Barbu
- Froland
- Hisøy
- Tromøy
- Øyestad
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Edited by - jwiborg on 08/09/2013 12:03:22 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2013 : 14:02:34
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Do you know someone who knew Axel Berntsen?
If he was born in Houtskär, Finland, he would have had Swedish and not Norwegian as his mother tongue. Or rather Swedish with a very distinct Finnish accent.
Jan Peter
The friend mentioned in the 1907 trip was Hugo Holst. He is most often mentioned as a Swede in American records with one or two occasions as a Norwegian. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 08/09/2013 : 14:13:17
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| One other consideration is the spelling of Axel. For instance in the 1900 Norwegian census spelling of the name in Norway is most commonly Aksel (at 5152) vs Axel (at 2191) |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 08/09/2013 : 16:40:11
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Originally posted by jkmarler
The friend mentioned in the 1907 trip was Hugo Holst. He is most often mentioned as a Swede in American records with one or two occasions as a Norwegian.
I was wondering if any living member of the family remembered his accent. There's quite a diffence in pronounciation, even in English, between people from Norway and Finland.
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AntonH
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Posted - 08/09/2013 : 16:58:15
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Some number of posts back Jan Peter in his post on the 1910 arrival of Alex mentioned that he had been to the U.S. in 1906 or 1907. I wonder if this is that voyage. He is travelling to his cousin whose name I render as Nastos Haititala? at 132 1/2 16th Street Brooklyn, NY. HIs last permanent address is ?Halsingfors.
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Axel Berntson
Arrival Date: 17 Apr 1907
Birth Date: abt 1883
Birth Location Other: helswgfer
Age: 24
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Finnish
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Carmania |
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vmoulder
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Posted - 08/09/2013 : 17:33:53
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| I'll check the christenings in the surrounding towns As for the language they spoke, it was Norwegian. On all of the US census records it says he was born in Norway and so were both his parents. Marriage certificate also says he was born in Norway. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 08/09/2013 : 17:35:59
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In a reply you received in May it was found that he was from Sweden: Link
Where was that info found? In the Brooklyn marriage record from Jun 23 1913?
Bentsen Axel Jun 23 1913 Kings
Pedersen Josephine Jun 23 1913 Kings
The area where Axel Wilhelm Brunström was born has been under very strong Swedish influence for centuries, they had Swedish names, and probably spoke Swedish.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 08/09/2013 : 17:50:10
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 08/09/2013 : 17:51:59
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Originally posted by vmoulder
I'll check the christenings in the surrounding towns As for the language they spoke, it was Norwegian. On all of the US census records it says he was born in Norway and so were both his parents. Marriage certificate also says he was born in Norway.
You say he spoke Norwegian, but what are the source for that? For an English spoken person, it might be hard to tell the difference between Swedish and Norwegian. And if he stayed in Norway for some years upon emigration, he might have adapted the Norwegian language. But I guess his Finnish accent would be kept, even though he spoke Norwegian.
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vmoulder
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Posted - 08/09/2013 : 18:29:20
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| I have never heard that he was married before. I really don't think so. The source of the language he spoke came from his granddaughter who lived in the same house in Brooklyn. She said they spoke Norwegian all the time. On the marriage certificate it asks if he was single, widowed or divorced - he wrote single. On the certificate it shows they were both living in the same apartment house, which I guess is how they met, at 58 2nd Place, Brooklyn. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 08/09/2013 : 18:38:14
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The Axel Berntson arriving Apr 17, 1907 on The Carmania must be a namesake. (Indexed as from "Kislsingford" and going to friend Hugo Holst in Brooklyn.)
Sailor Axel Berndtson (32) from Helsingfors, Finland, arrived Ellis Island on Apr 17, 1914 on The Lusitania.
It says he has been in New York before, in 1907 and 1912. Clostest relative listed as Brother H. T. Berndtson, Flemminggatan 21, Helsingfors. He was headed to a friend Victor Nickin Bronx, NY.
I believe these two arrivals shows the same man, and I don't think he is related to this topic. The 1914 arrival shows him as not married.
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Axel Berntsen, Brooklyn, ny
