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vmoulder
Starting member
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 Posted - 10/09/2013 : 18:16:14
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| I just want to thank all you wonderful people who have been trying to find Axel. I just can't understand why he can't be found anywhere. I wrote to the archives in Kristiansand, but haven't heard back yet. I have no idea if they would even be able to help. I can't even find his mother, Marie Elisabeth Andersen. With the change in naming practice it makes it harder because we don't know if she was the daughter of Anders, or if that was the family name. I really don't know where else to look. I noticed an emigration from Arendal list for 1903-1930 and tried that up thru 1911 and found nothing. I was hoping there would be someone who had him as an ancestor also and would have information. If anyone has any other avenues to head in, please let me know. Thanks again. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 10/09/2013 : 18:21:55
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In a reply you received in May it was found that he was from Sweden: Link
Where was that info found? In the Brooklyn marriage record from Jun 23 1913?
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vmoulder
Starting member
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Posted - 10/09/2013 : 18:34:30
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| I don't know where that person got Sweden from. The marriage certificate says Norway and on all the census records it says his parents were born in Norway also.There was also another Axel who came over in 1910 from Arendal, but that was an Axel Hartvig, and I don't think he came to Brooklyn. I saw that a while back. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 10/09/2013 : 18:46:08
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Well, you might want to go for broke and learn about Finnish records, too. On the Sundbloom page that Axel Wilhelm Brunstrom's father died in 1920. Wealth distribution is a concern of every Western society and perhaps there might be a associted record within an estate for the old man with a detail that rules him and / or the family in or out.
Otherwise, I wonder how does a foreign national become a citizen or Norway? In America there is a legal procedure involved--is there something similar in Norway? And if there is, perhaps the record for it is in Arendal and Axel considered Norway his country when he came to America?
Other things you might do re Axel search in Norway is to look for his confirmation record, too. I've seen it happen where the baptism record has become lost but the confirmation record was preserved (which usually in the late 1800s records the birth and baptism as well). Also if there is more than one record covering the birth date be sure to look at both--sometimes they are not identical, i.e. people listed in one and not the other, etc.
Another would be to look at Josephine's family. Perhaps there is a cousin down the lines in her family who knows a story or has the vital piece of information.
Was Axel a member of the Sons of Norway or some bygdelag (community heritage society) in America? May haps there might be a record of his origins.
Have you got Axel's obit or record from the funeral home? Not every piece of information the funeral home collects gets published in the paper. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 10/09/2013 19:05:07 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2013 : 19:01:30
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from the Sundblom tree, brother to Axel:
Johannes (John) Oskar
born 22 Nov 1887 Houtskär Hyppeis Hinders Jungfruskär
died 17 Jun 1959. NOTE :"Yrke: Sjöman/bonde.
Johannes "vistas i Amerika sedan 1912."
Below, a record from New York Passenger Lists [Ancestry.com]
1931
Port of Departure: Gothenburg, Sweden
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Gripsholm
Arrival Date: 6 Nov 1931
John Brunström age 43, born about 1888 Houtskär, Finland
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Occupation: Sailor
Able to read what language: Swedish, English
Name and address of relative in country when he came: Brother, Gustav Brunström, Kontskär
Final destination: Brooklyn, New York
Last permanent residence: Brooklyn, New York
Whether ever before in the United States: Yes, 1915-1931 in Brooklyn NY
Whether going to join a relative or friend: Friend, Anni Turker, 413 58th Street, Brooklyn, New York
Visa RP718505 issued in Washington May 16, 1931
1934 - another similar record
Port of Departure: Bremen, Germany
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Bremen
Arrival Date: 2 Mar 1934
John Brunstroem, 46, seaman, born about 1888 Finland, speaks Swedish,
was in USA 1931-1933,
nearest relative Gustav Brunstroem in Aboland, Hotskar, Finland;
going to join Mrs. Turner at 413 58th Street in Brooklyn NY
Birth Location Other: Aboland
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2013 : 20:17:19
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Just out of curiosity, on the Axel Wilhelm Brunstrom arrival in 1910, what are those additional numbers on the page with his name? Looks like dates?
1/15/1935 2-397053
19 Bert.....
Almost looks like case numbers or something.... |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2013 : 22:07:09
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quote:
Originally posted by JaneC
Ellis Island Website
Ship's Manifest, SS Adriatic
sailing from Southampton UK
arriving New York City USA
08 December 1910
Aksel Berentsen age 32
Occupation: Steward (? hard to read - several seamen appear each side of him on the passenger manifest)
Last permanent residence: Arendal
Several men grouped together, including Aksel, "friend of P.A. Grän, shipsxxx, Sandefjord" (?? shipsowner??)
Final Destination: SS Ellen in New York**
Page 2 has additional information -
Whether ever before been in the USA: yes, 1907, various ports
Whether going to a relative or friend: XXXX XXXX "Ellen" c/o Messrs X and X, New York NY
**Additional people on this page of the manifest are going to the Ellen and additional people are from Arendal. Fair number of the names are Finnish.
***Rather than being a crew's list this looks like crewmen traveling as passengers to their next ship.
age is wrong
Here are some records on Axel Berntsen:
Axel Konrad Berntsen in 1910 census:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036543004779
Axel Konrad Berntsen’s marriage to Hanna Hansen: #10 father is Ole Emil Berntsen:
Source information: Aust-Agder county, Arendal, Parish register (official) nr. A 10 (1900-1919), Marriage records 1902, page 280.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=151&idx_id=151&uid=ny&idx_side=-227
The wife Hanna travelling to her husband in 1906:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=3&filnamn=EMIAREND&gardpostnr=1405&merk=1405#ovre
Here the family is in 1930 US New Jersey:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X48N-Z2G |
Edited by - jkmarler on 10/09/2013 22:18:56 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2013 : 23:24:59
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A: 628 51st Street, Brooklyn, New York, USA
B: 413 58th Street, Brooklyn, New York, USA
At the time of naturalization in 1938, Axel Wilhelm Berntsen lived in 628 51st Street, Brooklyn.
Axel Wilhelm Brunström's brother Johannes (John) Oskar Brunström (1887-1959) lived in 413 58th Street, Brooklyn in 1929.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2013 : 23:53:55
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| John Brunström also gave his address as 413 58th Street, Brooklyn in 1931 and 1934 (see posts above), or, rather, he said he was traveling to Mrs. Anni Turner at that address. I guess that was the purpose of posting those - to show John was headquartered in Brooklyn. |
Edited by - JaneC on 11/09/2013 01:52:53 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2013 : 00:21:26
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| Have I missed it or is it missing? Axel would have been "prime-time" to be included in the WWI draft registration. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 11/09/2013 : 01:50:07
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Huh, I looked back and I don't see it posted either (the WWI draft card). The WWII was posted by Jan Peter as a jpg and reads place of birth ALENDEL.
Another obvious maneuver is to find Axel Wilhelm Brunstrom in the USA and prove he doesn't belong to vmoulder - IF he doesn't. I searched a while ago (yesterday? day before?). As I recollect I didn't find a strongly identifiable candidate to be the "real Axel Vilhelm Brunstrom." You've nicely eliminated an Axel Berntsen on one immigration record, which helps.
If Axel Brunstrom = Axel Berntsen, why the Berntsen patronymic? |
Edited by - JaneC on 11/09/2013 01:51:22 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2013 : 02:49:00
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| I wonder if there are any Brooklyn city directories for 1910-1938 online--Ancestry maybe? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2013 : 03:10:22
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"...Anni Turker, 413 58th Street, Brooklyn, New York"
"..Mrs. Turner at 413 58th Street in Brooklyn NY"
And an exceedingly long shot for Anni Turker / Turner above:
1905 New York Manhattan
Head Andrew W Tankled
M 33y Sweden
Wife Marie Tankled
F 27y Finland
Son Chas A Tankled
M 7y United States
Daughter Alice M Tankled
F 6y United States
Help Axel Wxel M 23y Norway
Right hand page:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-159385-72196-6?cc=1463113&wc=14535992
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Axel Berntsen, Brooklyn, ny
