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luvjan65
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 Posted - 13/11/2013 : 18:57:10
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Searching for Cornelius Johnson, born May 1845. Emigrated from Norway around 1869. This is all the information I have, except for information I have when he married my great grandmother in Maryland. I do not know his parents or place of birth, or ship of departure. Please any help is appreciated.
Thank you,
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jkmarler
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Kåarto
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Posted - 13/11/2013 : 20:05:41
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Where does Mai 1845 comes from?
He was 24 when he em. most liklely without the parents ??
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JaneC
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Posted - 13/11/2013 : 20:44:00
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1900 US Census says he was born May 1845. Is there an additional source for that?
1900
Baltimore City (Independent City), Maryland
C Johnson 55, born May 1845 in Norway, laborer
Mary 46, born May 1854 Maryland, has had 12 children and 6 are living
John 21, born June 1878
Walter 19, born Oct 1880
Frank 16, born April 1884
Alfred 11, born Aug 1888
Annie 7, born June 1892
Maggie 5, born April 1895
A descendant names him as Cornelius Jacob Johnson , spouse Mary J. Messenger. Source is a 2012 post on Ancestry message boards.
Back in an edit: here is more that is posted on Ancestry:
"Cornelius (Jakob Kornelius) Johnson. He was born in Sandsvaer, Buskerud, Norway in May 1845. He died on Nov. 12, 1912 in Batimore, Maryland. His parents were Nielsen Johannes Johnson (1798-1873) and Ellen Kristine Hans Jorgensdatter (1808-1881). Cornelius came to America in 1869"
Emigration is said to be 22 April 1870 when Jakob Cornelius Johannesen Hillestad sailed from Oslo/Kristiania:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=4&filnamn=EMIOSLO&gardpostnr=15803&sokefelt=skjul
1865 in Sandsvær - presumably he is Jacob on this record:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=13&filnamn=f60629&gardpostnr=612&sokefelt=skjul
All the above was posted on Ancestry message board.
The American descendant says that Grethe Johannesen Hillestad who emigrated with Jakob Kornelius was his sister, so she seems to confirm this is the correct man. No birth/baptism record was posted.
http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.general/9465/mb.ashx
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Edited by - JaneC on 13/11/2013 21:23:02 |
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JaneC
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Posted - 13/11/2013 : 21:19:14
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Norway Heritage Forum also worked on this before. Quoting Kåre:
Jacob Kornelius born on Hillestad Oct. 30. 1848, bap. in Hedenstad church Nov. 12.
Parents; Farmer Johannes Nilsen and Elen Kirstine Hans Jørgens dr.
Godparents; Hans Jørgen Haldorsen Strenge and wife on (farm) Nedre Laugerud, Tore Kirstine Johannesdr. Hillestad, Nils Johannesen Hillestad, Thore Haldorsen Strenge, see #100
http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5157
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Edited by - JaneC on 13/11/2013 21:25:05 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 13/11/2013 : 21:30:17
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quote:
Originally posted by JaneC
Norway Heritage Forum also worked on this before. Quoting Kåre:
Jacob Kornelius born on Hillestad Oct. 30. 1848, bap. in Hedenstad church Nov. 12.
Parents; Farmer Johannes Nilsen and Elen Kirstine Hans Jørgens dr.
Godparents; Hans Jørgen Haldorsen Strenge and wife on (farm) Nedre Laugerud, Tore Kirstine Johannesdr. Hillestad, Nils Johannesen Hillestad, Thore Haldorsen Strenge, see #100
http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5157
Hi.
are you psychic 
I was just reading about him, schecked the forum first when I saw your posting.
Most of his siblings em.
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JaneC
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AntonH
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Posted - 13/11/2013 : 22:27:10
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I wonder about that emmigration record with Jacob and his sister Grethe. Here is a Jacob and Grethe emmigrating, but arriving in Quebec. Seems to be an odd route to get to Maryland. Also the Digitalarkivet record lists Stoughton as their destination.
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Jacob C Johansen
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Date of Arrival: 9 May 1870
Vessel: Hibernian
Search Ship Database:
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: C-4525 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 13/11/2013 : 22:30:13
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And the record for Grethe.
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Grete C Johansen
Gender: Female
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Date of Arrival: 9 May 1870
Vessel: Hibernian
Search Ship Database:
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England |
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AntonH
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Posted - 13/11/2013 : 22:33:40
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I wonder if this might not be the Jacob from the Oslo emmigration record. He is married with 7 children. Wife was born in Minnesota.
1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Jacob Hillestad
Age: 57
Birth Date: Oct 1848
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1900: Beaver, Fillmore, Minnesota
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1870
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Sophia Hillestad
Marriage Year: 1877
Years Married: 23
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 13/11/2013 : 23:30:40
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Originally posted by JaneC
Haha. You're so good, Kåre, that you answer questions before they are asked. 
A funny coincidence
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JaneC
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Posted - 13/11/2013 : 23:35:11
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Originally posted by lyndal40
I wonder if this might not be the Jacob from the Oslo emmigration record. He is married with 7 children. Wife was born in Minnesota.
1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Jacob Hillestad
Age: 57
Birth Date: Oct 1848
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1900: Beaver, Fillmore, Minnesota
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1870
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Sophia Hillestad
Marriage Year: 1877
Years Married: 23
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Minnesota death records include a Jacob Cornelius Hillestad who dies in Fillmore County 19 Feb 1923. |
Edited by - JaneC on 13/11/2013 23:40:17 |
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luvjan65
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Posted - 14/11/2013 : 01:13:07
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Thank you everyone for your help. I was told via FB Norwegian Genealogy that I was tracking the wrong Cornelius Johnson, the same one that many have on Ancestry.com, I am puzzled..
Brian K. Gaber : Jacob Cornelius Hillestad died in Fillmore County, Minnesota on 19 Feb 1923.
September 1 at 12:52am
Brian K. Gaber: He married Sophia Halver there on 24 May 1877. So, apparently Greta died before any children were born.
September 1 at 12:54am
Brian K. Gaber I think Janet is tracking the wrong family. This Jacob Cornelius Johannesen Hillestad apparently never lived in New York or Maryland.
September 1 at 1:04am
Brian K. Gaber Janet, what confirmed information do you have on your Jakob Johannessen?
September 1 at 1:21am
Vickie Hart Brian K. Gaber - I believe Jacob and his SISTER, Grethe/Greta emigrated together. (See the emigration record above, both were single.) So I think Sophia was Jacob's first wife. But this conversation is not relevant to Janet Stevens Heishman, as her Jacob lived in Baltimore!
September 1 at 1:23am
Brian K. Gaber You're right Vickie, I overlooked that completely! I found his birth record and the 1875 census, but didn't bother posting since this is the wrong line.
September 1 at 1:25am
Gerd Rabben If you decide this is the correct family I can find more info in the Sandsvær book.. but not today
September 1 at 1:41am
Janet Stevens Heishman Jakob Cornelius Johnson baptism, last on page.
September 1 at 7:44am
Janet Stevens Heishman This is the earliest census I have on Jacob Cornelius Johnson, Name: Cornelius Johnson Age: 35 Birth Year:abt 1845
September 1 at 7:53am
Janet Stevens Heishman This was an article sent to me while I was searching for him.
September 1 at 8:23am
Brian K. Gaber According to the 1880 and 1900 census, "your" Cornelius Johnsen was born in May 1845. Since there is proof that Jacob Cornelius Johannessen Hillestad (born 30 Oct 1848) lived in Fillmore County, Minnesota, from at least 1875 until he died - there is really no way he can be the same person.
September 1 at 8:29am
Brian K. Gaber According to the 1910 census, Cornelius arrived in the US in 1869 and married the same year. This makes sense as his first child was born in Maryland in 1870.
September 1 at 8:36am
Sue Campbell Hi Janet Stevens Heishman. If you are sure that is the correct person in the Baltimore cencus....I still think you are chasing the wrong ship record. I'm going to see if I can find him in the 1900 cencus. Its got a bit more info.
September 1 at 8:37am
Brian K. Gaber He is in Baltimore in 1900 and 1910. The 1910 census also supports a birth of May 1845 (he is listed as 64 yrs old when the census was taken in April 1910).
September 1 at 8:39am
Janet Stevens Heishman One thing I noticed, I could not link up Jacob and Grete as brother and sister. I have had the hardest time confirming information on him.
September 1 at 8:40am
Janet Stevens Heishman Would this be the correct death certificate I have for my Baltimore Cornelius Johnson? He did have a son named Walter.
September 1 at 8:45am
Brian K. Gaber There are half a dozen trees on ancestry.com that have the birth listed "May 1845", but then added the parents from the 1848 birth record.
September 1 at 8:46am
Janet Stevens Heishman I apologize for taking up so much of your time, and I do appreciate everyone's help, truly I do. Thank you. I may be getting somewhere.
September 1 at 8:46am
Sue Campbell Brian that figures
September 1 at 8:48am
Brian K. Gaber You're not taking up our time! We enjoy helping. We just don't want you to search in the wrong direction. The death record you posted also shows a birth date of 13 May 1845. This matches all the census records are confirms that the Jacob Cornelius born on 30 Oct 1848 is the wrong person.
September 1 at 8:49am
Janet Stevens Heishman I saw that too, I have the Baptism date on my tree but, I found this death certificate, which thru me off.
September 1 at 8:50am
Sue Campbell Janet...I agree about Grethe...I looked at the 1865 cencus in Norway for Jacob Hillestad and she's not there in his family. I didn't pursue it further because that's prolly the wrong Jacob anyway.
September 1 at 8:51am
Brian K. Gaber So, we are looking for Cornelius Johnsen, born 13 May 1845 in Norway, who arrived in Baltimore in 1869.
September 1 at 8:51am
Janet Stevens Heishman Okay, so now my search begins, where did my Cornelius Johnson come from, and when? I feel sad but also relief to know I was puzzled for a good reason.
September 1 at 8:52am
Brian K. Gaber Since he immigrated in 1869, maybe he cam be found in the 1865 census for Norway.
September 1 at 8:54am |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/11/2013 : 01:38:19
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Interesting problem.
This from the Norwegian 1865 census following this search critieria. Came down to one candidate Peter Kornelius Johanson:
given name / fornavn containing "orneliu" : chornelius, cornelius, korneliu, kornelius
surname/ etternavn strarting with "jo" : johanes, johannes, johannesen, johanness, johannessen, johannesøn, johanns, johans, johansen, johanss, johnnassen, johns, johnsen, jokums, jonas, jonasen, jons, jonsen
birth year / fodeaar exactly : 1845
Candidate 1.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=6&filnamn=f61927&gardpostnr=79&personpostnr=667&merk=667#ovre
#9 in 1846 b 29 Sept 1845:
Source information: Finnmark county, Hammerfest, Parish register (official) nr. 4 (1843-1856), Birth and baptism records 1846, page 27.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=296&idx_id=296&uid=ny&idx_side=-32
Not a remarkably good candidate since birthdate is not 13 May 1845.
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Broadening birthyear criteria from above to +/-1 year gets three more to explore:
Candidate 2.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=4&filnamn=f61817&gardpostnr=289&personpostnr=2142&merk=2142#ovre
I couldn't find the baptismal for Candidate 2. Perhaps someone else on forum could take a look for it.
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Candidate 3
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=7&filnamn=f61301&gardpostnr=2014&personpostnr=22434&merk=22434#ovre
John Cornelius Johnson B. 1 Aug 1846
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=21&filnamn=dp12011816&gardpostnr=20237&personpostnr=60690&merk=60690#ovre
He is not a good candidate as he appears as a father in several baptism between 1871 and 1882 in the same baptisms of Bergen database.
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http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=10&filnamn=f60721&gardpostnr=643&personpostnr=3916&merk=3916#ovre
Candidate 4#59 Cornelius Johansen b. 3 June 1844:
Source information: Vestfold county, Sem, Parish register (official) nr. I 6 (1843-1855), Birth and baptism records 1844, page 21-22.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1266&idx_id=1266&uid=ny&idx_side=-14
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Broadening the search above to include Jensen:
Candidate 5
Kornelius Jensen b. Fjære abt 1845, sailor, father Jens T. Corneliussen:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f60923&gardpostnr=392&personpostnr=2346&merk=2346#ovre
Records issue for exploring this candidate from familysearch.org:
"Microfilm at the Family History Library for Fjære prestegjeld (clerical district). Contains priest and sexton records for Fjære parish. Includes Grimstad parish until 1885. Was separated from Øyestad clerical district in 1845. See Øyestad clerical district for earlier records. On the 4th Oct 1933 there was a fire in the church. Most of the church books for 1839-1930 were destroyed. Parish registers from 1867-1922. See also Øyestad"
Baptism records 1845 are missing as are confirmation records for 1860 in Fjære, so there will be no way to check this Cornelius' birthdate against the Cornelius in America. Will look at Øyestad.
Here he is in the 1875 census. This plus Anton's find of a headstone in Norway for him eliminates this candidate:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5&filnamn=f70923&gardpostnr=502&personpostnr=3330&merk=3330#ovre
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Candidate 6
Cornelius Jensen b. Bjørnør 25 April 1845, suffers from leprosy father Jens Erikson
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5&filnamn=f61632&gardpostnr=425&personpostnr=2697&merk=2697#ovre
Here is his birth & baptism #67:
Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Bjørnør, Parish register (official) nr. 657A04 (1831-1846), Birth and baptism records 1846, page 84.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16179&idx_id=16179&uid=ny&idx_side=-84
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What occupation did Cornelius Johnson follow in Maryland? |
Edited by - jkmarler on 17/11/2013 02:48:34 |
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 14/11/2013 : 02:50:01
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Here is the family of the Oct 1848 Jacob in the 1865 Census. No Grete, may be on her own by then.
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Cornelius Johnson from Norway to US
