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JaneC
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jkmarler
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 Posted - 04/03/2014 : 00:07:47
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#12 Børre Justson Baptism
Source information: Møre og Romsdal county, Eid in Eid, Parish register (official) nr. 542A02 (1854-1884), Birth and baptism records 1859, page 12.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6385&idx_id=6385&uid=ny&idx_side=-13
So later he's recorded as Børge but at baptism he is Børre....
#4 (1881) Kari Andersdatter Siem:
Source information: Møre og Romsdal county, Eid in Eid, Parish register (official) nr. 542A02 (1854-1884), Death and burial records 1881, page 169.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6385&idx_id=6385&uid=ny&idx_side=-112
#2 Just Mortensen Strømme baptism:
Source information: Møre og Romsdal county, Eid in Grytten, Parish register (official) nr. 542A01 (1818-1853), Birth and baptism records 1818-1819, page 2-3.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16030&idx_id=16030&uid=ny&idx_side=-3
Confirmand #3 Just Mortensen on 16 Sept 1832:
Source information: Møre og Romsdal county, Eid in Grytten, Parish register (official) nr. 542A01 (1818-1853), Confirmation records 1831-1833, page 466-467.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16030&idx_id=16030&uid=ny&idx_side=-89 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 04/03/2014 00:25:30 |
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JaneC
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Posted - 04/03/2014 : 00:15:49
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So Børre Justeson Siem's mother Kari Andersdatter Siem dies 12 December 1880...
...and Børre Justeson Siem's father Just Mortensen was confirmed in 16 Sep 1832 at Eid in Grytten, Møre og Romsdal, parents named as Morten Justesen Siem and Lisbeth Johnsdatter (?). Confirmation record gives Just date of birth as 19 May 1818. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 04/03/2014 : 00:27:50
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Originally posted by JaneC
So Børge Justeson Siem's mother Kari Andersdatter Siem dies 12 December 1880...
...and Børge Justeson Siem's father Just Mortensen was confirmed in 16 Sep 1832 at Eid in Grytten, Møre og Romsdal, parents named as Morten Justesen Siem and Lisbeth Johnsdatter (?). Confirmation record gives Just date of birth as 19 May 1818.
Actually the farm they are on in 1818 for the actual baptism is called Strømme. It's possible Siem refers to residence at the time of the confirmation. And yes I think this is Børre Justsen's mother Kari.
It would be nice to know where post 1884 records are for this parish. Eventually (in 1964) it gets reunited with Grytten and a number of other parishes but there are a lot of intervening years which don't appear to be online. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 04/03/2014 02:26:59 |
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JaneC
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JaneC
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Posted - 04/03/2014 : 01:27:09
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Originally posted by jkmarler
#12 Børre Justson Baptism
Source information: Møre og Romsdal county, Eid in Eid, Parish register (official) nr. 542A02 (1854-1884), Birth and baptism records 1859, page 12.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6385&idx_id=6385&uid=ny&idx_side=-13
So later he's recorded as Børge but at baptism he is Børre....
Good to know. He has a lovely date of birth. |
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brejohns
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Posted - 04/03/2014 : 01:57:27
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JaneC can you tell me what the rest of the Norwegian text means on the baptismal record for Borre Justson?
I see the UND Library called my home phone today, however I did not receive a call at work. The information listed today is what you were looking for from the UND book - correct? Or should I contact them again?
Where is the More og Romsdal County, Eid in Eid located at? |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 04/03/2014 : 02:29:32
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| If Børre Justson proves to be Børre Johnson then it will become important to know exactly which farm the family was living on at which times. So In 1818 the family was on Strømme, in 1859 when Børre was born they were on Siem. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 04/03/2014 : 02:34:24
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Okay, I'll open that file for Borre Justesen birth-baptism and try to read it.
I believe the UND book you mean, suggested by jkmarler and lyndal40, was the bygdebøk for Eid. The records jkmarler posted are not the information needed from that book.
I'm not familiar with that book but I think it's safe to say a bygdebøk is a local history. Local areas in Norway have been keeping these local history books for centuries, as a narrative supplement to the bare bones information found in records such as birth, marriage, death. The bygdebøk might - might - have information on the Just Mortensen family comparable to that in the Laura Thompson Law book "History of Rolette County." One hopes to read a reference to a son in North Dakota, a son who died in America in 1914, that kind of thing. You'd be looking for a link between Borre Justesen's family in Norway and your Borre in North Dakota. I think the suggestion was to begin by requesting a photocopy of the index, but reread the thread to see what they recommended.
A 'bygdebok' - what is that? by Johan I. Borgos
http://www.nndata.no/home/jborgos/bygdeen.htm
Møre og Romsdal is shown in red on this map of Norway. Scroll down to see where Eid is within Møre og Romsdal:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B8re_og_Romsdal
Back in an edit:
On the map I posted the red pin DID NOT mark Eid church in Eid, according to jkmarler. Use the description below to find your way to the right spot, and then please post a map to show me, lol. The map format is at kart.finn.no
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jkmarler
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Posted - 04/03/2014 : 02:48:21
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The parish Eid og Voll is now part of a larger parish called Rauma:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rauma,_Norway
Roughly where indre Siem is on the second map Jane posted is just below the word "Romsdal" (following Åfarnes, Romsdal, Isfjorden) near the E136 road. The "pin" is was not at the "right" Eid, it is was located in Sogn og Fjordane fylke rather than Møre og Romsdal fylke
Too bad Jane took down her whole link as all that was needed was to move the pin. I'm not all that familiar with that map site and so will direct you to www.1881.no. Input indre siem and click search / søk and then select under Kategorier heading on the left of the screen Addreser and click there and then you will find indre siem .... isfjorden and then click on vis kart (see map). After it loads you will also have a choice of the map, the aerial photo or the hybridization of the 2. There will be a small map in the lower right hand corner showing a larger area.
Jane has now perfected the pin placement on the map and updated location is on page 14. |
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brejohns
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Posted - 04/03/2014 : 02:57:37
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| I tried the "chat" line at UND to check on the status of my request. They referred me to an email address or phone number. The phone is only for day hours, so I email them with my request again and listed several phone numbers for contacting me. I hope to hear from them tomorrow. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 04/03/2014 : 02:59:32
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Birth-baptism link for Børre Justson
At the top of the page on the right is noted the year 1859
Look to the left and go down to the third entry, #12.
Date of birth column: 10 July <-----------------------------
Date of baptism: 24 July
Child's name: Børre
Next column is noted whether a birth is legitimate or illegitimate. This is a legitimate birth (parents are married)
Next column is parents. Parents' names usually start with an occupation or similar. I think I read "Grmd" = gaardmand = farmer
(different words exist to denote different status of farmers)
Farmer Just Mortensen Siem og/and hustru Kari Andersd.
I think I read hustru - that would be wife. Andersd. = Andersdatter
Next column to the right is a list of people's names. They are the baptismal sponsors. This column is a good place to look for clues to the birth family of the parents, as it could be their own parents are in this list, or siblings.
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JaneC
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Posted - 04/03/2014 : 03:14:24
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Originally posted by jkmarler
If Børre Justson proves to be Børre Johnson then it will become important to know exactly which farm the family was living on at which times. So In 1818 the family was on Strømme, in 1859 when Børre was born they were on Siem.
Yes - but why did you quote my transcription of the 1832 confirmation? |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 04/03/2014 : 08:32:16
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Since I've not seen the Eid bygdebok I don't know exactly how it is arranged.
The majority of bygdebøker are arranged in farm order, either by their general physical location, sometimes by the current numbering system or alphabetically by the name of the farm or a combination of these. So usually families are covered based on which farm they lived. If a succeeding or prior generation lived on a different farm that generation will likely be covered on the pages about that farm. Hopefully the book will have something about the people who left from any given farm. Eid or Eid og Voll seems to have been a small parish judging by the small number of pages it takes to cover the years that are available. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 04/03/2014 : 15:34:40
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Originally posted by jkmarler
#12 Børre Justson Baptism
Source information: Møre og Romsdal county, Eid in Eid, Parish register (official) nr. 542A02 (1854-1884), Birth and baptism records 1859, page 12.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6385&idx_id=6385&uid=ny&idx_side=-13
So later he's recorded as Børge but at baptism he is Børre....
#4 (1881) Kari Andersdatter Siem:
Source information: Møre og Romsdal county, Eid in Eid, Parish register (official) nr. 542A02 (1854-1884), Death and burial records 1881, page 169.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6385&idx_id=6385&uid=ny&idx_side=-112
#2 Just Mortensen Strømme baptism:
Source information: Møre og Romsdal county, Eid in Grytten, Parish register (official) nr. 542A01 (1818-1853), Birth and baptism records 1818-1819, page 2-3.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16030&idx_id=16030&uid=ny&idx_side=-3
Confirmand #3 Just Mortensen on 16 Sept 1832:
Source information: Møre og Romsdal county, Eid in Grytten, Parish register (official) nr. 542A01 (1818-1853), Confirmation records 1831-1833, page 466-467.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16030&idx_id=16030&uid=ny&idx_side=-89
Well the 1832 confirmation record doesn't show the family moving from one farm to the next., so I remain puzzled why you repeated the one static record to make the point that the family moved. The 1832 confirmation record standing alone does not show movement. The series of records above does. |
Edited by - JaneC on 04/03/2014 15:38:00 |
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