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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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brejohns
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 Posted - 13/03/2014 : 01:16:39
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| You guys do not give up easily. I am still waiting for the information from the National Archives for Land, but this may still take a while and just not sure how much new information we'll get. I did get a negative response from a grand niece of Borre's. She said she didn't think she had any information or pictures of Borre, but if she found anything in her trunk she would let me know. Another grand niece who's parents had 2 oval pictures each of Borre and Alma hanging on their wall told me that they did inspect the pictures with a magnifying glass to see if they could find anything, but they did not. Her parent then took the pictures to be redone, but had a stroke and never picked them up! She tried to locate them by checking the businesses in the area but she has never located them and her father died about 3 years ago. How sad to lose these old pictures. It just makes me sick. I will check out the WI site. Again thanks for all your hard work. This string just keeps growing and it is difficult to keep track of all the information, but you've done wonderful summaries. |
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brejohns
Medium member
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Posted - 13/03/2014 : 03:08:46
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| I spent some time looking through Jackson County WI naturalization records, but I did not locate any for Barney Sampson or Borre Johnson which his second/final naturalization papers filed in Rolla ND say he filed his first papers in Black River Falls, WI on March 20, 1886. That seems odd unless these records are not in chronological order. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/03/2014 : 04:01:19
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It might mean that he filed federally rather than by the state level court system.
"The above information applies to naturalizations taking place within state courts (supreme, circuit, county, municipal, etc.). An individual could also naturalize in a Federal Court in Wisconsin. Naturalization records from Federal Courts are not held by the Historical Society. Rather they are at the National Archives, Federal Archives and Records Center, 7358 S. Pulaski Rd., Chicago, IL 60629." |
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brejohns
Medium member
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Posted - 13/03/2014 : 20:36:42
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| I spent my break trying to locate naturalization papers that were filed at Black River Falls WI. It was hard to determine if it was a state or federal filing. But after a couple of phone calls I was referred to the LaCrosse Area rsearch Center (608) 785-8511 and I placed a request for information listed under Barney Sampson or Borre Johnson dated March 20, 1886, as a first filing. I'll see if they can locate anything else. |
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brejohns
Medium member
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Posted - 13/03/2014 : 22:46:25
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| Just received a scanned first filing for naturalization for Barny Samson from the LaCrosse Area Research Center. Actually, the record is on microfilm from the WI Historical Society's Jackson series 10, Reel 4, Declarations 1871-1929, Vol 2, pg. 114 and is dated April 6, 1885. The declaration is signed by "Barry Samson" (he has a very distinct signature)but recorded as Barney Samson. It states he was born in 1859 and emigrated to the US at the port of New York in the month of May 1882. This confirms his birth year and arrival as listed in his second filing. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/03/2014 : 03:55:57
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Hard to get a better match than this. Last name is Siem. Middle initial could easily be a J.
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Borre T Sieon
Arrival Date: 25 May 1882
Birth Date: abt 1859
Age: 23
Gender: Male
Place of Origin: Norwege
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland and Moville, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Bolivia
Using the search parameters of Bor*, born 1859 +/- 2, Arrival May, 1882, New York and Male, you only find two hits.
Bortela Hocher born 1857 Italy and
Borre T Sieon born 1859 Norwege |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 14/03/2014 : 13:49:21
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Good work on the Black River Falls papers, brejohns.
Yes lyndal40 that immigrant keeps coming to mind!
The candidate:
Eid bygdebøk - says Børre Justsen Siem born 1859, Amerika 1882
Born 10 July 1859 - Børre Justsen is his name on birth record - Siem indre, Eid, Møre og Romsdal, Norway
23 April 1882 record for Børge Justsen Siem b 1859 registering in Eid to leave the parish
04 May 1882 record for Børre Justsen Siem age 23 (b 1859) registering to get on a ship in Ålesund, destination Barnesville, Minnesota
25 May 1882 for "Borre T Sieon" b 1859 arriving New York
which transitions nicely to the known Borre:
Born 10 July 1859 (per family story of the USA family; though note conflicting sources)
May 1882 stated emigration, b 1859, in 1886 First Papers for Barney Samson Black River Falls, Jackson, Wisconsin
May 1882 emigration, b 1859 is repeated in the 1892 filing Barney or Borry Sampson - resided Rolette co ND past year
Born July 1860 per 1900 census
born 10 June 1860 per Find-a-Grave **
** Re Find-a-Grave: did the FAG creator misread "June" on the tombstone? or could that be a typo on the FAG memorial?
P.S. brejohns you've added so much incredible (not easily found) information, in the above. Well done! |
Edited by - JaneC on 14/03/2014 15:33:20 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 14/03/2014 : 16:27:51
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Going back to the Immigration Data Base on Ancestry.com and using Bar for Barney or Barry etc.
Using Bar* for a first name, born 1859 +/- 2, arrival New York, May 1882, Male you find a few more candidates.
Bart Anderson born abt1860 Norway
Bartolomeo Defino born abt1860 Italy
Barnhard Fischer born abt 1860 Prussia Germany
Bart Gillins born abt 1859 England
Barth Guynasio born abt 1861 Curin Switzerland
Barthol Katossk born abt 1858 Germany
Barney Mcgugh born abt 1860 Ireland
Barry Mclorky born abt 1860 Ireland
Barclay Odaniell born abt 1859 Ireland
Bartholdt L Ostberpe born abt 1861 Norway
Barth Schmidt born abt 1859 Germany
Barthm Sobieraj born abt 1857 Germany
Bartolomeo Taranto born abt 1861 Italy
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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brejohns
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Posted - 15/03/2014 : 00:47:12
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jkmarler - yes that is exactly what I received for Borre's first naturalization filing in WI. I looked online a long time and failed to find it - as I was looking for the date March 20 as listed on his second filing. Good to know it was there all the time!
lyndal40 - I agree with you on the passenger list for the Borre T Sieon. I wondered about that when I saw that listing, but I still wonder about the listing for "Aafor Simson" who arrived on May 25, 1882 with a birth date of 1859 and was 23 years old from Norway and arrived in NY on the ship "State of Georgia." When you look at the original passenger list his first name does not look like Aafor to me, but it is hard to decifer.
I plan to take pictures at the Rendahl Cemetery where Borre is buried. As I wonder if the folks at "Find a Grave" have a typo in their file. However, we still have plenty of snow here, but the last few days have made a big impact on the snow drifts and I'm anxious to see if I remember his grave correctly. I need to confirm exactly how his grave marker is listed. I may possibly talk my husband into coming along and shoveling! |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/03/2014 : 01:34:03
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When you look at the original passenger list his first name does not look like Aafor to me, but it is hard to decifer.
When I look at the original manifest, it is not clear to me what the name is. The transcriber took it as Aafor Simson, but I am not even sure of the Simson name. That limits further searching and I for one have had no success taking the next step.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 15/03/2014 : 09:50:33
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| A few more of these 40-60 degree days and the snow will be gone! Excellent idea to go to the cemetery to look at the stone yourself and clarify. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/03/2014 : 16:52:18
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One can search the NHDC 1865 Norwegian Census Data Base using the Advanced Form to try and narrow down a search. Using the birth year range of 1858 to 1860, you can put in last names under Surname. Using Samson, Sampson, Samsen, and Sampsen, the progarm finds zero people. Usiing a name like the one in the manifest for Aafor Simson, Using Simson and Simsen you find zero. However using Simensen, you find 139 people who meet that criteria. No Børre or any name similar. No Aafor either. However in the orginal manifest for Aafor, I find the first initial of the first name nearly impossibe to decipher. Having that initial would help a lot. To me it looks like Halvor, so maybe Halvor Simensen. Here is one. Also the last name could be Syversen, I will check that later.
NHDC 1865
Probably this one, born 21 December 1859 in Telemark.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1357&idx_id=1357&uid=ny&idx_side=-28
Unfortunately for this shot in the dark, he was still in Norway in 1900.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/03/2014 : 23:53:15
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Brejohns, who was the informant on Borre's death certificate?
Never mind Jane answered. |
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