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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 21/01/2014 : 09:42:06
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Hi.
Just wondering.
Lastname for Hans b. 1743 is rec. as Hans Larsen, father is rec. as Lars Gjerdrum in Gjerdrum bygdebok volume one and in the church book, but I wonder if the church book has an error (not unusual) that his father was Hans Thorstensen, his mother is correct rec. in the church book as Mari Gudbrandsdatter who was married to Hans Thorstensen Gjerdrum
I have done my best to correct these errors, but its easy to get lost in all these names and dates.
The priest could had never have imagination enough to think that someone ca 300 years later was wondering about a name he had written 
I will proofread when the Norwegian champioship in ski-jumping is over. Anders Bardal won.
Names and dates for descendants after the widow Gunnil Hansdatter 1765-1822 should be correct
Gjerdrum (Gjeri) was cultivated in the Iron-age and is located close to Gjerdrum church. The farm was split in two farms in the Viking age, Søndre (Southern) and Nordre (Northern Gjerdrum.
Gjerdrum spelled Gerdarin 1393 and Giardarin 1396.
In the middle age the farm was owned by Hovedøya Abbey, later owned by the crown (the king) and bought, a royal deed, by sheriff Anders Simonsen in 1666 who came to Norway from Denmark 1658.
Two brothers, Gudbrand and Thorsten Jonsen bought Søndre Gjerdrum from Customs officer Henrich Lachman against certain liabilities reg. timber and wood materiels ca 1699; Gudbrand bought 2/3 and Thorsten 1/3, unknown price.
Local name on Gudbrands farm was Søgarn and Thorstens farm was Arstun (Søndre Gjerdrum in the farm register where Louise was born 1886, the family used Gjerdrum as familyname)
Thorsten Johnsen b. ca 1666. d. 1734 married Aagot Hansdatter b. ca 1666 d. 1750
Children;
- Goro married 1733 Ole Trondsen
- Kari, engaged ensign Friderich Junge who left Norway shortly after without leaving a message
- Your Hans b. 1704, d. 1742, heir to the farm married Mari Gudbrandsdatter 1714-1747
- Marthe b. 1706 married 1732 Nils Clemmetsen
- Anne born 1711 married 1742 Kristoffer Sørensen. |
Edited by - Kåarto on 22/01/2014 20:30:24 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/01/2014 : 11:01:31
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Hans 1704 and Mari Gudbrandsdatter got 5 children:
- Lars 1737 married 1766 widow Anne Hansdatter
- Anne 1740 married Gudbrand amundsen, widowed
- Hans 1743-1800 married 1791 Gunnild Hansdatter 1756-1822 from Gjerdrum, takes ower the farm.
- Håkon 1745, in Denmark between 1772 and 1777
- Kari
Hans 1743 takes owner the farm, owner of Gjerdrum until he died 1800, the widow Gunnil Hansdatter sold the farm 1803 to her husbands brother Gudbrand for 1099 RiksDaler, but he bacame blind so she bought back he farm a few months later for 1599 Riks Daler in cash.
Hans and Gunnils only daughter, Mari Hansdatter 1792-1854 iherited the farm.
Mari Hansdatter married in 1812 Hans Mikklelsen b. ca 1784 d. 1857 from Haga in Ullensaker.
Children;
- Lars 1818-39
- Your Hans 1828- 1904 married in 1853 Berte Marie Hansdatter 1824-1902 from farm Heni
11 more children died young.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 21/01/2014 19:23:15 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/01/2014 : 11:03:34
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Hans Hansen 1828-1904 and Berte Marie Hansdatter 1824-1902.
Children
- Maren Birgitte 1854 married 1874 Martin Olsen Ekeberg, moved to Oslo
- Your Hans Hansen 1857-1940 bought the farm for 8600 Kroner plus 2200 Kroner for crops and chattels, married Anne Maria Nilsdatter 1860-1930
- Martin 1862, to America
- Twins died 1861
Hans Hansen and Anne Maria Nilsdatter
Children;
- Hilda Mathilde b. 1881 married 1903 Hjalmar Gjesti, settled down on farm Gjesti, later on farm Berg
- Magnus Nicolai 1883, to Minnesota 1907
- Louise 1886 to Minnesota Mai 18. 1910, occ. shopkeeper.
- Karl 1889, to Minnesota, dep Oslo March 10. 1910 on ship United States.
- Olaf b. 1892 married Milly (Emilie) Holum b. 1892
- Gunnar 1895, died in Oslo
- Helge 1898 married Edel Kristensen from Oslo, lived in Oslo
- Valborg 1902 married school teacer Johannes Bjørnsen, to Oslo. Valborg died 1992, Johannes 1983, buried in Gamlebyen cemetery Oslo.
Three plots were sold, in 1895 to Gjerdrum dairy, 1900 to merchant Anton Ramnes and 1910 to Hans Kristian Enger.
Olaf Hansen Gjerdrum 1892 and Milly 1892 takes over the farm 1920.
Children;
- Reidar 1915, truck driver, married Ester Aasmyr
- Astrid 1917 married Arne Kvernmo from Leirsund
- Ingrid 1919 married Kåre Ormstad from Skea in Sørum
- Olaug 1922 married Jens Kristian Asak from Leirsund
- Erling 1925 married Ingrid Gulliksen from Nannestad
- Knut 1926 married Wenche Nyquist from Nittedal to Oslo, buried in Grefsen cemetery
- Ivar 1927 married Grete Iversen from Oslo.
Knut and Ivar had a butcher shop in Oslo.
Olaf or his heirs build new houses on Gjerdrum, the land/farm was 1950 leased by Oskar Melby and Deborah Melby, two daughters; Solveig and Marit.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 22/01/2014 20:24:02 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/01/2014 : 11:47:26
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The 1910 census shows
Else Bjerke, born April 1 1909 living as an orphan with Josefine Bjerke at Søli in Kråkstad, link, and
Else Nilsen, an orphan being 4 months old when the census was taken?, link.
The baptismal record shows that Josefine Bjerke was one of the witnesses and the one who asked for the baptism. It is therefore likely that Else is the one who stayed with her in 1910. Since Elses father was Kristian Olafsen, it is also unlikely that she would be named Nilsen.
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eibache
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Posted - 21/01/2014 : 12:03:43
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From the 1910 census for Josefine Bjerke can be seen that she had a daughter Solveig Helene Marie, born in Kristiania Oct 22 1895.
She was married to Hans Henrik Fredriksen, Bjerke on April 2 1895.
Josefines maiden name was Josefine Charlotte Bentsen, #31.
It is unlikely the she is Elses grandmother.
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eibache
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Posted - 21/01/2014 : 15:19:12
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Lovise Hansen (Hansdatter), born April 11 1886 and baptized Anna Lovise, #3.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/01/2014 : 15:55:41
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Wow - lots of new information has been added. 
Hi eibache - Just a clarification - Else Nilsen, an orphan 4 months old when the 1900 census was taken, was already ruled out (on page 1 or 2 of this thread) and it was shown she is NOT the right Else.
About Else's birth: her baptism place might not be her birth place - where was she born? Am I missing something that is written in the record? |
Edited by - JaneC on 21/01/2014 15:59:43 |
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eibache
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Posted - 21/01/2014 : 18:01:00
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Sorry that I did not notice Else Nilsen was ruled out.
Based on the baptismal record from Ski church, 21 days after her birth, it is reasonable to think that her mother was at Bjerke when Else was born. It is doubtful that the father and the mother was present at the baptism.
The distance from Ski to Bjerke and Oslo (Kristiania) is shown on this map.
Ski kirke link.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/01/2014 : 22:06:42
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Josefine Bjerkes son Hans Henry Monrad, born Sept 6 1901, was confirmed in Østre Aker Oct 3 1915, #39.
They were living at Skovly.
When the daughter Rakel Debora was confirmed Oct 4 1918, they were living at Valhalla, #33.
You may assume that Else was living with them at these two places before she left for US in 1919.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/01/2014 : 00:21:42
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Thanks Einar, that adds to my understanding - more to the point likely it helps Kristen too.
 So Else was baptized in Ski church, not in Kråkstad church?
Photos available, "Hjalmar Gulbrandsen Gjesti and wife Hilda wedding photo" (maybe Louise's sister Hilda?) and "Thea Gjerdrum and husband Martin Gjerdrum separate photos and also wedding photo":
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NOR-AKERSHUS/2005-06/1120126185
Maybe you have all the USA information, Kristen. Just for fun:
Immigration, this seems to be Louise's brother Karl Hansen Gjerdrum b 1889: Arrive Ellis Island, port of New York Apr 01, 1910. Traveling on the Hellig Olav. Passenger manifest is stamped "Transferred from the United States." Manifest line #7. Carl Gjerdrum, age 20, single, born in Gjerdrum, Norway, laborer. Nearest relative in Norway, father H. Gjerdrum, Klokken St. Destination: Lanesboro, [Fillmore county], Minnesota. Going to join brother Mr. M. Gjerdrum in xxxxx Minnesota
Below, this seems to be Louise's brother Magnus.
1940 US Census
Grass Range, Fergus, Montana
Magnus Gerdrum 56 b abt 1884 Norway, naturalized citizen
Ida M Gerdrum 60 b abt 1880 Minnesota
Milo Gerdrum 23 b Montana
Doris Gerdrum 20 b Montana
Find-a-Grave memorial Magnus Gerdrum (1883-1952) buried Lewistown City Cemetery, Lewistown, Fergus, Montana
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=GE&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GSst=28&GScntry=4&GSsr=1081&GRid=77131747&
From Montana "Centennial Farm and Ranch Program" about Gerdrum Ranch. Located northeast of Grass Range in Fergus County, Montana. Established 1911.... "Magnus Gerdrum left Norway in 1905 and came to Minnesota, where he stayed briefly. In 1909 he met Ida Anderson; that year he went west with Ida's brother Oscar and Vic Stromnes. They went briefly to Canada and northern Montana, but setlled in central Montana, northeast of Grass Range. Magnus sent for Ida and they were married in 1911. Magnus and Ida raised three children: Milo (1916), Doris (1919) and Evelyn (1921).
Magnus and Ida moved temprarily to the Moulton Ranch in 1919, where Magnus was foreman. In 1923 they returned to the homestead for two year, when they rented the Vic Stomnes place, which they kept until 1928. In that year Gerdrum purchased the current Gerdrum Ranch and added it to the homestead. Despite tough times in the 1920s and 1930s, the Gerdrum's kept the ranch. In the early 1940s Magnus and Ida moved to Lewistown, where they lived until their deaths in the 1950s."
Link: http://montanahistorywiki.pbworks.com/w/page/43942551/Gerdrum%20Ranch
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Edited by - JaneC on 22/01/2014 02:23:08 |
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KristenHicks
Starting member
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Posted - 22/01/2014 : 19:51:39
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I had to step away from this for a couple of days, and quite honestly just clear my head. In less than a week, you guys have found so much information on my family, that we had absolutely no idea actually existed...
I think it is just incredible what a wonderful job Norway has done with their record-keeping...I mean, this information is golden to individuals like myself.
And possibly even more-so, I'd be willing to bet, that you guys are ALL Extreme Over-Achievers. ;)
Again, all of my thanks to each of you. Without you guys, I'd still be wondering what in the heck actually happened all of those years ago. You guys are GOOD. <3 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/01/2014 : 20:44:59
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You are welcome.
That`s why I am helping others with genealogy, it gives so much in return.
You have never seen Søndre Gjerdrum.
Enter this this map and write twice; gjerdrum gjerdrum, enter SØK (GO), choose line 2; Gjerdrum (bruk(gardsbruk)), zoom in and watch Gjerdrum søndre early spring or late fall.
Good luck.
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SuZy0925
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Posted - 22/01/2014 : 20:49:34
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| I am new to this forum, but certainly not new to all these questions about our grandmother! I am Kristen's cousin from Chicago, and I am amazed at all this information that you have found in just one week. I tried for some 40 years to get answers from my grandma, and while she was so proud to be Norwegian, her roots remained a mystery. When I would ask her a question she would answer vaguely, sidestep, and change the subject. I don't know if even she knew all this information. It changes nothing, but it changes everything! Thank you so much! |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/01/2014 : 23:36:49
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Hello.
You are welcome.
Glad to hear from you.
We are ca 8-10 volunteers from both sides of the Atlantic helping persons with Norwegian roots to find their ancestors.
It can be very challenging, mostlly we succeed, but it also happens we meet the wall.
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ngerdrum
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Posted - 27/01/2014 : 01:16:00
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There is a Lars gjerdrum in Oslo with a daughter Christine living in Lewistown mt. Would there be any relation to Magnus Gerdrum who came to Minnesota in 1907 and then homesteaded in Grass Range Mt ? Who would Lars parents be?
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Hans Gjerdrum - Louise H. Gjerdrum - Bjerke
