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jkmarler
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 Posted - 13/07/2015 : 01:29:17
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Don't forget to look for the godparents for the baptisms of Johannes Halvorson's sister Anne's children:
Knud Ivarsen, Harpestaa (Kophøl) (b. Ca 1782/1783)
1 Ingeborg Knudsdatter, Kophøl (Helland) (b. 1 Okt 1811)
- Eric Johnsen, Helland (b. 3 Sep 1816)
1.1 Anne Eriksdatter, Helland (b. 5 Sep 1840)
1.2 Ingeborg Eriksdatter, Helland (Braatane) (b. 12 Jul 1842)
1.3 Gunnild Eriksdatter, Helland (b. 19 Okt 1844)
1.4 John Eriksen, Helland (b. 16 Apr 1846)
1.5 Knut Eriksen, Helland (Tvilling-Twin) (b. 2 Aug 1851)
- Liv Olsdatter, Hougen (Helland) (b. 26 Okt 1849)
1.6 Gunhild Eriksdatter, Helland (Tvilling-Twin) (b. 2 Aug 1851)
- Gunnar Olavson Helland (b. 15 Jul 1852)
2 Ivar Knudsen, Kophøl (b. 30 Aug 1813)
3 Halvor Knudsen, Kophøl (b. 13 Mar 1816)
4 Knud Knudsen, Kophøl (Tvilling-Twin) (b. 27 Mar 1818)
5 Ane Knudsdatter, Kophøl (Tvilling-Twin) (b. 27 Mar 1818) |
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lornejohnson
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eibache
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Posted - 13/07/2015 : 09:23:30
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Ingeborg Knudsdat #74, page 295 October 1811....here is a challenge .....need some help here with the translation of the witnesses please
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First of all - please use Permanent pagelink which facilitate improved zooming, (Permanent imagelink only gives one possibility)
2nd the page was 245 - not 295 (cause too small for correct reading in Permanent imagelink.)
Witnesses:
Iver Knudsen, Rasmus Halstensen, Halvor Gundersen, Helge Lia, Kari Berge.
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eibache
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Posted - 13/07/2015 : 09:33:55
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#72, page 259 Ivar Knudsen 1813
Witnesses:
Hans Lilts wife Anne, Gunild Hægna, Kari Krøtlia, Ole Østrelia, Halvor Hægna. |
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eibache
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Posted - 13/07/2015 : 09:42:48
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20, page 8, Halvor Knudsen 1816
Witnesses:
Asloug Olsdatter, Askilt, Guro Helliksdatter, Eiken, Aaste Heljesdatter, Fortum, Halvor Rødklev, Svennung Kittilsen, Torkelaasen.
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eibache
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Posted - 13/07/2015 : 09:51:48
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#24 triplet Ane Knudsdat
Witnesses:
Asloug Lindelia, Ingeborg Olsdatter, Rasmus Kongsberg, Tollev Kaasa, Andres Moland.
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Edited by - eibache on 13/07/2015 09:53:25 |
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eibache
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Posted - 13/07/2015 : 09:58:58
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#17 & 18 twin Knud brothers
Witneses: same for both childtren
Ane Adskilt, Kristi Grive,Gunild Lie, Hans Adskilt, Even Adskiltseie.
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lornejohnson
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Posted - 13/07/2015 : 18:30:32
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I don't see anything in the Knud Iversen/Anne Halvorsdatter witness list of their babies that helps to connect the Johanes Halvorsen/Gunild Nisdat Kleven family. Lots of familiar names but living in the same community you would expect that.
Again, I'm trying to find support for my belief that my ancestor Johannes Halvorsen (who married Gunild Nilsdat Klleven) is the same Johannes Halvorsen ....son of Halvor Jorgensen and Ingeborg Jensdat.
Some good cross-over of witnesses for Johannes and Gunilds babies ....not sure that is enough to make a final decision ?? Any comments or advise on this?
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Edited by - lornejohnson on 15/07/2015 22:17:39 |
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lornejohnson
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Posted - 15/07/2015 : 22:15:29
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With Ane Knudsdatter husband Erik Jonnson Helland having such fame as a fiddle maker one might expect that there would be a good genealogy on that family. I've found only one and Ane's heritage on the Helland site is "not known" .
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Edited by - lornejohnson on 15/07/2015 22:15:57 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 16/07/2015 : 00:32:41
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Originally posted by lornejohnson
I don't see anything in the Knud Iversen/Anne Halvorsdatter witness list of their babies that helps to connect the Johanes Halvorsen/Gunild Nisdat Kleven family. Lots of familiar names but living in the same community you would expect that.
Again, I'm trying to find support for my belief that my ancestor Johannes Halvorsen (who married Gunild Nilsdat Klleven) is the same Johannes Halvorsen ....son of Halvor Jorgensen and Ingeborg Jensdat.
Some good cross-over of witnesses for Johannes and Gunilds babies ....not sure that is enough to make a final decision ?? Any comments or advise on this?
I think it's still the right path to follow even if it appears there isn't an overwhelming familial connection in the faddernes (i.e. Johannes Halvorson named as one of the faddernes in one or more of the sibling's children baptisms.) There is enough of similar names that there probably is a connection other than just being neighbors.
A Gunild appears in several of the faddernes' lists, though Jørgen Halvorson doesn't.
The Anne m to Knud Ivarson, her children named in order are:
Ingeborg (after her potential mother), Ivar (after her father-in-law), Halvor (after her potential father) and the last girl is Ane (after her mother-in-law).
Johannes's children in order are Halvor (the first boy after his father),
Nils (after Johannes' father in law) and the first girl is Ingeborg (after Johannes' mother).
Names are a customary thing, a custom in use from about 1750-1850 in Norway and other places in Europe. Some people follow customs, some people don't, just like today.
The best record of connection which should be available is the probate of Halvor Jørgenson. Write to the arkivet and ask them to find it, since it is sourced in the bygdebok, even if is or isn't online, you should want a copy of it to put the matter to rest. |
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lornejohnson
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Posted - 16/07/2015 : 07:55:33
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Thank you Jackie. You've been a great source of positive encouragement on this topic. I was feeling like this was going no place but you're often able to pull out bits of pertinent information that I often miss. Keep up the good work ...this forum is fortunate to have veterans like you who genuinely care.
I've sent out some emails to other genealogists who might shed some light on my Johannes & Gunild. I'll let you know if I get anything enlightening.
How do I contact arkivet re. the probate info?
Think I got it. Just use this email?
riksarkivet@arkivverket.no
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Edited by - lornejohnson on 16/07/2015 07:59:08 |
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