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David Yaw
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 Posted - 13/02/2014 : 10:57:04
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Maybe David Yaw, a poster here at the forum, could help with information about divorce records in Britain. In US, its usually a county level record and information about them is available in most cases because of the need to make sure your bills are getting paid and that you draw the line clearly that you are no longer responsible for someone else's bills...
Ann, as Jackie suggested, I checked out marriage and divorce records for John Johansen - found the marriage record for him and Elizabeth M Flavin already reported, but no divorce record. Do you know if the divorce took place in UK or Norway ??
Don't let me kid you I'm an expert on this - I'm certainly not. But I'll be down at the National Archives in Kew in the next few days, and I'll enquire further there.
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David Yaw
Medium member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/02/2014 : 11:00:51
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Originally posted by annhagley
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Was Johan a seaman on Norwegian tanker MT Ferncourt owned by shipping company Fearnley & Astrup, Oslo?
It was attacked by German aircrafts outside Milford Haven July 7. 1941 but managed to get to Swansea where it was 10 mths for repair.
There were 410 Anders Johansen living in Norway acc. to the 1910 census.
Kåre
...Thankyou, yes it would have been MT Ferncourt, he obviously got married while the ship was in Swansea for repair.Thankyou
Ann, Kare, I thought you might be interested to see info on the Ferncourt from this link.
http://www.warsailors.com/singleships/ferncourt.html
By the way, there are references to Johan Johansen on other vessels too at this site. Don't know if this would be one and the same person - maybe Kare can comment on how common this name would be in the Norwegian Merchant Marine.
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annhagley
Starting member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/02/2014 : 12:08:45
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Originally posted by David Yaw
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Maybe David Yaw, a poster here at the forum, could help with information about divorce records in Britain. In US, its usually a county level record and information about them is available in most cases because of the need to make sure your bills are getting paid and that you draw the line clearly that you are no longer responsible for someone else's bills...
Ann, as Jackie suggested, I checked out marriage and divorce records for John Johansen - found the marriage record for him and Elizabeth M Flavin already reported, but no divorce record. Do you know if the divorce took place in UK or Norway ??
Don't let me kid you I'm an expert on this - I'm certainly not. But I'll be down at the National Archives in Kew in the next few days, and I'll enquire further there.
REgards
Thankyou David. The divorce would have been in UK from what I have been told. It would have been some time in 1950's.
Regards, Ann |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 13/02/2014 : 14:21:30
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By the way, there are references to Johan Johansen on other vessels too at this site. Don't know if this would be one and the same person - maybe Kare can comment on how common this name would be in the Norwegian Merchant Marine.
Rgds
Hi David.
Johan Johansen was and is a very common name in Norway.
When I searched the 1910 census for Norway I found 2874 names containing Johan Johansen.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 13/02/2014 : 14:51:00
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In the 1910 census for Norway 402 persons named Anders Johansen lived in Norway.
230 of the was born before 1875 or after 1902, so one of the remaining 172 are most likely Johan Johansen father.
There are 4 headstones with Johan Johansen born. 1921 in Norway died in following municipalities;
Hof 1989, Risør 1994, Volda 2001 and Vestvågøy 2011.
If they died in the same municipality they were born and if one of the fathers was Anders Johansen...........
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Edited by - Kåarto on 13/02/2014 16:28:08 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/02/2014 : 16:57:26
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| There is a sailor Johan Johansen b. 28 Feb 1921 in Risør in the Sjohistorie site but I can't get his record to fully load. Maybe someone else will have better luck with that. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 13/02/2014 : 17:07:47
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Originally posted by jkmarler
There is a sailor Johan Johansen b. 28 Feb 1921 in Risør in the Sjohistorie site but I can't get his record to fully load. Maybe someone else will have better luck with that.
He was one of 4 on the gravestones.
Johan Johansen b. Feb. 28. 1921 in Risør died in Risør Feb. 17. 1994.
And his father was Anders Johansen #10
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 13/02/2014 : 17:10:34
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#10 Johan
Parents: Høvelarbeider (planer worker) Anders Johansen & Inga Kristine nee Nilsen. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2014 : 17:14:07
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 13/02/2014 : 17:17:47
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Johan Johansen 1921
Stilling:Matros/Skytter
Født: 28.02.1921
Fødested: Risør
Bosted: Risør rode 8
Foreldre: Sagmester Anders Johansen & hustru Ingeborg
Annotasjonsrulle: Q6-3183,T13-3183,27.11.1939
Andre opplysninger:
Gikk til sjøs med D/S "Credo" 24.02.1937 som dekksgutt mønstret på i Risør og mønstret av i Baltimore 24.08.1937.
Mønstret jungmann på D/S "Anderson" i Baltimore 30.08.1937,mønstret av i Baltimore 06.08.1938.
Mønstret byssegutt på D/S "Frank Seamans" i Baltimore 17.08.1938 mønstret av i Bridgetown 04.04.1939.
Mønstret Lettmatros på D/S "Solgry" i Risør 25.07.1939.mønstret av i Drammen 10.11.1939.
Mønstret Lettmatros på D/S "Korsnes" i Drammen 25.09.1939, mønstret av i Hamburg 10.11.1939.
Mønstret matros på D/T "Frontenac" i Sandefjord 23.12.1939 , mønstret av i New York februar 1942.
Mønstret matros på M/S "Havprins" mars 1942 New York, mønstret av juni.1942 i New York.
Mønstret som matros på M/S "Bralanta" juni 1942, mønstret av i Liverpool august 1942
Fikk nå skytterkurs i England.
Mønstret på M/S "Talisman" som skytter/matros i Liverpool 02.09.1942, mønstret av i New York 15.02.1943. Var ombord under reddningen av et helt skipsmannskap. (se skipet)
Mønstret på M/T "Polartank" som skytter/matros i New York 15.02.1943, mønstret av 16.06.1943
Mønstret matros/skytter på M/T "Chr. Th. Boe" juni 1943 i Liverpool mønstret av i New York oktober 1944.
Mønstret matros/skytter på oktober 1944 i New York på S/S "Sverre Helmersen" som ble Torpedert 22. April 1945. (se skipet).
Mønstret som matros/skytter på M/S "Tai Yin" juni 1945 i New York, mønstret av i England september 1945.
Mønstret martos på D/S "Ured" i Risør 11.09.1946, mønstret av i Arendal 31.03.1947.
Mønstret på M/S "Kari" som matros i Arendal 26.08.1947, mønstret av i Stavanger 08.03.1948.
Fra " Nortrashipsflåtens Skyttere 1941-1946 "
Skytter nr. 501
Johan Johansen født 28.2.1921 i Risør
Utdannet til skytter i Dumbarton, Skottland
Etter endt utdannelse reiste han ut med
M/T Havprins av Oslo. Rederiet P.Meyer. påm. 24.3.1942. avm. 9.5.1942
M/T Slemdal av Oslo. Rederiet Moltzau & Cristensen. påm. 9.5.1942 til skipet ble torpedert 15.6.1942 underveis til Glasgow. Alle mann reddet av den britiske jageren Marigol, som samme natt hadde reddet 210 personer fra seks torpederte skip.
Videre var han ombord i
M/T Bralanta av Oslo. Rederiet Ludv. G. Braathen. påm. 3.7.1942. avm. 2.9.1942
M/S Talisman av Tønsberg. Rederiet Wilh. Wilhelmsen. påm. 2.9.1942. avm. 15.2.1943.
M/T Polartank av Larvik. Rederiet Melsom & Melsom. påm. 15.2.1943. avm. 16.6.1943.
M/T Chr. Th. Boe av Arendal. Rederiet Olaf Boe & Co. påm. 6.7.1943. avm. 17.10.1944.
D/S Sverre Helmersen av Oslo. Rederiet Nortraship. påm. 23.10.1944 til skipet ble minesprengt 23.4.1945.Skipet fikk så store skader at det ble kondemnert.
D/S Tai Yin av Tønsberg. Rederiet Wilh. Wilhelmsen. påm. 2.8.1945. avm. 22.9.1945.
Han ble tildelt Krigsmedaljen, Deltakermedaljen og Haakon den 7`s 70 års medalje.
Johan Johansen 1921 har tjestegjort på følgende båter:
Mønstret på Credo 24.04.1937 i Risør som Dekksgutt (Mønstret av 24.08.1937 i Baltimore )
Mønstret på Frank Seamans 17.08.1938 i Baltimore som Byssegutt (Mønstret av 04.04.1939 i Bridgetown )
Mønstret på Frontenac 23.12.1939 i Sandefjord som Matros (Mønstret av 02.1942 i New York, USA )
Mønstret på Havprins 03.1942 i New York, USA som Matros (Mønstret av 06.1942 i New York, USA )
Mønstret på Bralanta 06.1942 i New York, USA som Matros (Mønstret av 08.1942 i Liverpool )
Mønstret på Talisman 02.09.1942 i Liverpool som Matros / Skytter (Mønstret av 15.02.1943 i New York, USA )
Mønstret på Chr. Th. Boe 07.1943 i Liverpool som Matros / Skytter (Mønstret av 10.1944 i New York, USA )
Mønstret på Tai Yin 06.1945 i New York, USA som Matros / Skytter (Mønstret av 09.1945 i England )
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Ferncourt is not mentioned among the ships this person worked on. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/02/2014 : 17:38:10
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Yes but there is a gap in his work 1940-1941.....
So he was on Frontenac from 1939-1942? |
Edited by - jkmarler on 13/02/2014 17:42:31 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/02/2014 : 17:44:16
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Ancestry.com has the crew lists for a Johan Johansen born abt 1921. There are 37 different crew lists. I have not looked at all of them to find the names of the ships but here is one that caught my eye. First is one from Jan Peters list directly above.
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Mønstret matros/skytter på M/T "Chr. Th. Boe" juni 1943 i Liverpool mønstret av i New York oktober 1944
Next the Ancestry.com record.
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Johan Johansen
Arrival Date: 16 Oct 1944
Birth Date: abt 1921
Age: 23
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian
Port of Departure: London
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Chr The Boe
There is usually very little information in the Crews List othe than what is posted above.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/02/2014 : 17:54:10
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So he was on Frontenac from 1939-1942?
Perhaps not, the Ancestry.com list shows a Johan Johansen on several other ships from 1940 to 1942.
New York State, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1917-1973
Name: Johan Johansen
Age: 21
Birth Date: abt 1921
Arrival Date: 22 Aug 1942
Port of Arrival: New York
Ship Name: Bralanta
Here is a link to an article on the Bralanta.http://www.warsailors.com/singleships/bralanta.html |
Edited by - AntonH on 13/02/2014 17:58:38 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2014 : 17:55:53
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From Volda, #7 b. 5 Dec 1920 Jon Anstein (Arstein?) son of Andreas Jon Johannesen:
Source information: Møre og Romsdal county, Volda in Volda, Parish register (official) nr. 511A11 (1906-1923), Birth and baptism records 1921, page 109.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=43863&idx_id=43863&uid=ny&idx_side=-111
There are a couple of other Jon whose father's were non Anders/ Andreas etc but whose last name was given as Johanneson. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 13/02/2014 : 17:57:46
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Even it seems he was not on MT Ferncourt it may be due to a misunderstanding.
Do you know if your Johan was trained gunner?
Kåre
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Edited by - Kåarto on 13/02/2014 18:00:25 |
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