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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 13/02/2014 : 18:06:34
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Here is probably the same person on the Sverre Hemersen in 1944. He is isted as a Gunner.
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Johan Johansen
Arrival Date: 1 Mar 1945
Birth Date: abt 1921
Age: 24
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Sverre Helmersen
Here is a list showing the various ports for the Sverre Helmersen, showing that the ship arrived in New York on March 1, 1945.
http://www.warsailors.com/singleships/sverrehelmersen.html
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David Yaw
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Posted - 13/02/2014 : 18:14:51
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Johan Johansen 1921
Stilling:Matros/Skytter
Født: 28.02.1921
Fødested: Risør
Bosted: Risør rode 8
Foreldre: Sagmester Anders Johansen & hustru Ingeborg
Annotasjonsrulle: Q6-3183,T13-3183,27.11.1939
Andre opplysninger:
Gikk til sjøs med D/S "Credo" 24.02.1937 som dekksgutt mønstret på i Risør og mønstret av i Baltimore 24.08.1937.
Mønstret jungmann på D/S "Anderson" i Baltimore 30.08.1937,mønstret av i Baltimore 06.08.1938.
Mønstret byssegutt på D/S "Frank Seamans" i Baltimore 17.08.1938 mønstret av i Bridgetown 04.04.1939.
Mønstret Lettmatros på D/S "Solgry" i Risør 25.07.1939.mønstret av i Drammen 10.11.1939.
Mønstret Lettmatros på D/S "Korsnes" i Drammen 25.09.1939, mønstret av i Hamburg 10.11.1939.
Mønstret matros på D/T "Frontenac" i Sandefjord 23.12.1939 , mønstret av i New York februar 1942.
Mønstret matros på M/S "Havprins" mars 1942 New York, mønstret av juni.1942 i New York.
Mønstret som matros på M/S "Bralanta" juni 1942, mønstret av i Liverpool august 1942
Fikk nå skytterkurs i England.
Mønstret på M/S "Talisman" som skytter/matros i Liverpool 02.09.1942, mønstret av i New York 15.02.1943. Var ombord under reddningen av et helt skipsmannskap. (se skipet)
Mønstret på M/T "Polartank" som skytter/matros i New York 15.02.1943, mønstret av 16.06.1943
Mønstret matros/skytter på M/T "Chr. Th. Boe" juni 1943 i Liverpool mønstret av i New York oktober 1944.
Mønstret matros/skytter på oktober 1944 i New York på S/S "Sverre Helmersen" som ble Torpedert 22. April 1945. (se skipet).
Mønstret som matros/skytter på M/S "Tai Yin" juni 1945 i New York, mønstret av i England september 1945.
Mønstret martos på D/S "Ured" i Risør 11.09.1946, mønstret av i Arendal 31.03.1947.
Mønstret på M/S "Kari" som matros i Arendal 26.08.1947, mønstret av i Stavanger 08.03.1948.
Fra " Nortrashipsflåtens Skyttere 1941-1946 "
Skytter nr. 501
Johan Johansen født 28.2.1921 i Risør
Utdannet til skytter i Dumbarton, Skottland
Etter endt utdannelse reiste han ut med
M/T Havprins av Oslo. Rederiet P.Meyer. påm. 24.3.1942. avm. 9.5.1942
M/T Slemdal av Oslo. Rederiet Moltzau & Cristensen. påm. 9.5.1942 til skipet ble torpedert 15.6.1942 underveis til Glasgow. Alle mann reddet av den britiske jageren Marigol, som samme natt hadde reddet 210 personer fra seks torpederte skip.
Videre var han ombord i
M/T Bralanta av Oslo. Rederiet Ludv. G. Braathen. påm. 3.7.1942. avm. 2.9.1942
M/S Talisman av Tønsberg. Rederiet Wilh. Wilhelmsen. påm. 2.9.1942. avm. 15.2.1943.
M/T Polartank av Larvik. Rederiet Melsom & Melsom. påm. 15.2.1943. avm. 16.6.1943.
M/T Chr. Th. Boe av Arendal. Rederiet Olaf Boe & Co. påm. 6.7.1943. avm. 17.10.1944.
D/S Sverre Helmersen av Oslo. Rederiet Nortraship. påm. 23.10.1944 til skipet ble minesprengt 23.4.1945.Skipet fikk så store skader at det ble kondemnert.
D/S Tai Yin av Tønsberg. Rederiet Wilh. Wilhelmsen. påm. 2.8.1945. avm. 22.9.1945.
Han ble tildelt Krigsmedaljen, Deltakermedaljen og Haakon den 7`s 70 års medalje.
Johan Johansen 1921 har tjestegjort på følgende båter:
Mønstret på Credo 24.04.1937 i Risør som Dekksgutt (Mønstret av 24.08.1937 i Baltimore )
Mønstret på Frank Seamans 17.08.1938 i Baltimore som Byssegutt (Mønstret av 04.04.1939 i Bridgetown )
Mønstret på Frontenac 23.12.1939 i Sandefjord som Matros (Mønstret av 02.1942 i New York, USA )
Mønstret på Havprins 03.1942 i New York, USA som Matros (Mønstret av 06.1942 i New York, USA )
Mønstret på Bralanta 06.1942 i New York, USA som Matros (Mønstret av 08.1942 i Liverpool )
Mønstret på Talisman 02.09.1942 i Liverpool som Matros / Skytter (Mønstret av 15.02.1943 i New York, USA )
Mønstret på Chr. Th. Boe 07.1943 i Liverpool som Matros / Skytter (Mønstret av 10.1944 i New York, USA )
Mønstret på Tai Yin 06.1945 i New York, USA som Matros / Skytter (Mønstret av 09.1945 i England )
Source
Ferncourt is not mentioned among the ships this person worked on.
Jan Peter, unfortunately my (very !!) limited Norwegian doesn't allow me to figure out very much of this - but the reference to the MV Slemdal caught my eye. Please follow the attached link which has a crew list including Johan Johansen
http://www.warsailors.com/singleships/slemdal.html
Is this the man we are looking for, or another Johan Johansen ??
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 13/02/2014 : 19:04:19
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GOOGLE TRANSLATE:
Johan Johansen 1921
Position: Deckhand/Shooter
Born: 02/28/1921
Birthplace: Risør
Location: Risør rode 8
Parents: Master at sawmill Anders Johansen & wife Ingeborg
Roll: Q6- 3183 , T13 - 3183 , 11/27/1939
Other information:
Went to sea with D/S "Credo" 02/24/1937 as deckhand signed on at Risør and signed off in Baltimore 24/08/1937 .
Patterned Seaman D/S "Anderson" in Baltimore 08/30/1937, mustered in Baltimore 06/08/1938 .
Patterned cabin boy on D/S "Frank Seamans" in Baltimore 17/08/1938 pattern of Bridgetown 04/04/1939 .
Patterned Ordinary seaman D/S "Solgry" Risør 25.07.1939, mustered in Drammen 10.11.1939 .
Patterned Ordinary seaman D/S "Korsnes" in Drammen 09.25.1939, signed off in Hamburg 10.11.1939 .
Patterned sailor on D/A "Frontenac" in Sandefjord 12.23.1939 , signed in New York in February 1942 .
Patterned deckhand on the M/S "Havprins" March 1942 New York, signed off June 1942 in New York.
Patterned as a deckhand on the M/S "Bralanta" in June 1942, signed by Liverpool in August 1942
Got now marksman course in England.
Patterned on the M/S "Talisman " as gunner/sailor in Liverpool 09.02.1942, signed on in New York 02.15.1943 . Was aboard the rescuing an entire crew . (see ship )
Patterned on the M/T "Polar Tank" as gunner/sailor in New York 15.02.1943, signed by 16/06/1943
Patterned sailor/gunner on the M/T "Chr Th. Boe" in June 1943 in Liverpool signed off in New York in October 1944 .
Patterned sailor/gunner in October 1944 in New York S/S "Sverre Helmersen" which was Torpedoed 22 April 1945 . (see ship ) .
Patterned as a deckhand/gunner on the M/S "Tai Yin" in June 1945 in New York, signed off in England in September 1945 .
Patterned Seaman D/S "Ured" in Risør 11/09/1946 , mustered in Arendal 31/03/1947 .
Patterned on the M/S "Kari" as a deckhand in Arendal 26.08.1947 , signed off in Stavanger 03.08.1948 .
From " Nortrashipsflåtens Shooters 1941-1946 "
Shooter # 501
Johan Johansen born 28.02.1921 in Risør
Educated to shooter in Dumbarton , Scotland
After graduating, he went out with M/T "Havprins" of Oslo. The company P.Meyer . signed on 24/03/1942 signed off 05/09/1942
M/T Slemdal of Oslo. The company Moltzau & Cristensen . signed on . 05.09.1942 the ship was torpedoed 06/15/1942 en route to Glasgow. All man rescued by British destroyer Marigola that same night had rescued 210 people from six torpedoed ships.
Moreover , he was aboard M/T Bralanta of Oslo. The company Ludv . G. Braathen . signed on . 03/07/1942 . signed off . 02/09/1942
M/S Talisman of Tønsberg. The shipping company Wilh . Wilhelmsen . signed on . 02/09/1942 . signed off . 15/02/1943 .
M/T Polar Tank of Larvik. The company Melsom & Melsom . signed on . 15/02/1943 . signed off . 16/06/1943 .
M/A Chr Th. Boe of Arendal. The company Olaf Boe & Co. . signed on . 06/07/1943 . signed off . 17/10/1944 .
D/S Sverre Helmersen of Oslo. The company Nortraship . signed on . 23.10.1944 the ship hit a mine 23.4.1945.Skipet got so badly damaged that it was condemned .
D/S Tai Yin of Tønsberg. The shipping company Wilh . Wilhelmsen . signed on . 08/02/1945 . signed off . 22/09/1945 .
He was awarded the Military Medal for Participation medal and Haakon 7 ` s 70 -year medal.
Johan Johansen 1921 gas serviced on these boats:
Patterned on Credo 24/04/1937 in Risør Cover Boy ( pattern of 08/24/1937 Baltimore )
Patterned on Frank Seamans 17/08/1938 in Baltimore Galley Boy ( pattern of 04/04/1939 Bridgetown )
Printed on 23/12/1939 Frontenac in Sandefjord Seaman ( pattern of 02.1942 in New York, USA)
Patterned on Havprins 03.1942 in New York , USA as Seaman ( pattern of 06.1942 in New York, USA)
Patterned on Bralanta 06.1942 in New York , USA as Seaman ( pattern of 08.1942 in Liverpool)
Patterned on Talisman 09/02/1942 in Liverpool Seaman/Shooter ( debarked 02/15/1943 in New York, USA)
Patterned on Chr Th. Boe 07.1943 in Liverpool Seaman/Shooter ( pattern of 10.1944 in New York, USA)
Patterned on Tai Yin 06.1945 in New York , USA as sailor/Shooter ( pattern of 09.1945 in England) |
Edited by - jwiborg on 13/02/2014 19:21:00 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/02/2014 : 19:13:02
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He took a course in England on shooting about 1941.
Fikk nå skytterkurs i England. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 14/02/2014 : 03:15:54
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Here is a record for Johan Johansen on the Ferncourt. On the orgianl manifest he is listed as a Motorman?, Also states that he was engaged (assume that means hired?) on May 17, 1942, in Swansea.
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Johan Johansen
Arrival Date: 16 Aug 1942
Birth Date: abt 1921
Age: 21
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Curacao, Dutch West Indies
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Ferncourt |
Edited by - AntonH on 14/02/2014 03:16:31 |
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annhagley
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Posted - 14/02/2014 : 13:34:42
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Thankyou so much to everyone.I got really excited seeing the picture, but alas it looks as though this is another Johan Johansen.I thought at first maybe the ships name had been copied incorrectly on the marriage certificate, but unless the Frontenac was in Swansea for 1941, this sadly is ruled out.
Lynda, i would say your finding is definitel;y the correct Johan Johansen. Unfortunately, he seems to have disappeared from the face of the earth. It was assumed he had got homesick and returned to Norway, as I believe the grounds for divorce were desertion.Don't even know if he was aware of the divorce, and for that reason might not have re-married.Just wish I had a bit more information to go on as I don't even know names of any siblings etc.I just thought it would have been nice if I had some information to pass on to his grandchildren and great-granchildren.I really appreciater everyone's help and can't thank you enough. Regards Ann |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/02/2014 : 02:08:48
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but unless the Frontenac was in Swansea for 1941, this sadly is ruled out.
Ann, I am not sure what is the meaning of this quote, as the Frontenac could have been in Swansea in 1941. Here is the arrival in New York of Johan Johansen on the Frontenac. It arrived March 26, 1941 in New York and was scheduled to leave for England on April 24, 1941. It does not say where in England. For example I have found a Johan Johansen born abt 1921 with dimensions of five foot seven inches and 130 lbs and one 6 foot tall and 200 lbs. Probably not the same person.
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Johan Johansen
Arrival Date: 26 Mar 1941
Birth Date: abt 1920
Age: 21
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Frontenac
In this list of Crew Members that is found on line and on Ancestry.com there is probably your person, but the data is confounded by the fact that there is probably two or three Johan Johansens in the group. |
Edited by - AntonH on 15/02/2014 02:13:54 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/02/2014 : 02:48:15
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Here is one example of the presence of more than one Johan Johansen born abt 1921.
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Johan Johansen
Arrival Date: 18 Sep 1943
Birth Date: abt 1920
Age: 23
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Ivaran
And then another in Sep of 1943, this one is very common in the Crew Lists. He is listed as being hired in Glasgow and is listed as Gunner.
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Johan Johansen
Arrival Date: 24 Sep 1943
Birth Date: abt 1921
Age: 22
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Chr Th Boe |
Edited by - AntonH on 15/02/2014 06:00:30 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/02/2014 : 03:28:02
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I posted this record before, but what I had not noted was that this Johan Johansen signed on to ship from Swansea and the date is given as June 27, 1942. Also you can find this ship in the list of Jan Peter above.
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Patterned as a deckhand on the M/S "Bralanta" in June 1942, signed by Liverpool in August 1942
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Johan Johansen
Arrival Date: 22 Aug 1942
Birth Date: abt 1921
Age: 21
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian
Port of Departure: Curacao, Dutch West Indies
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Bralanta |
Edited by - AntonH on 15/02/2014 05:26:37 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/02/2014 : 06:15:05
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As I mentioned before there is probably at least two Johan Johansen born abt 1821, Norway working on ships. There is the Johan Johansen born Feb 28, 1921 from Risør surfaced by Jan Peter. I have a list for him later, but here is a list put togther from Crew Lists into New York on Ancestry.com. This list is in date order. Are they all the same person and perhaps your Johan Johansen. Maybe?
Maybe the same person
Date Engaged Occupation Ship
24-Jan-38 Messboy Ingrid 5'6" 157
29-Jan-39 England Messboy Solaitaire 5'7" 130
14-Feb-40 Messboy Skandnavia 5'9" 150
8-Nov-40 Buenos Aires Galley Boy Astrell
15-Sep-41 Calcutta Oiler Maud 5'6" 160
16-Aug-42 Swansea Motorman Ferncourt
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/02/2014 : 06:19:10
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Similar list on the Gunner, first proposed by Jan Peter above. Did spend time in Swansea so I can not dismiss him as a good candidate off hand. Born in Risør Feb 28, 1921.
Gunner List
List of arrival into New York for Johan Johansen Listed on most records as a Gunner
Date Engaged Occupation Ship Size
20-Apr-37 Risor Sailor Credo 5'7" 130
5-Jun-37 Risor Sailor Credo 5'7" 130
3-Aug-37 Risor Sailor Credo 5'7" 150
22-Aug-42 Swansea Bralanta
12-Feb-43 New York Gunner Polartank 5'10" 170
26-May-43 New York Gunner Polartank 5'10" 175
30-Jul-43 Glasgow Gunner Ch Th Boe 5'11" 190
24-Sep-43 Glasgow Gunner Ch Th Boe 5'8" 180
21-Dec-43 Glasgow Gunner Ch Th Boe 5'11" 200
26-May-44 Glasgow Gunner Chr Te Boe 5'4" 140
23-Aug-44 Glasgow Gunner Ch Th Boe 5'11" 200
16-Oct-44 Glasgow Gunner Ch Th Boe 5'11" 200
3-Aug-44 London Gunner Peter II 5'10: 150
5-Jan-45 Gunner Sverre Helmersen 5'11" 200
26-May-45 Glasgow Gunner Ch Th Boe 5'4" 145
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annhagley
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Posted - 15/02/2014 : 16:09:40
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Thankyou Lynda. I will collate all the information you have so kindly submitted. I know he was connected to The Ferncourt Dec, 1941 as per marriage cerificate. This would have been while the ship was in swansea for repair. As you say, there are at least 2 seamen of the same name,I just need to ascertain which is the correct one as I can understand he would probably have gone from one ship to another. Thankyou for your patience. Regards, Ann |
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AntonH
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Posted - 15/02/2014 : 23:37:21
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I know he was connected to The Ferncourt Dec, 1941 as per marriage cerificate.
I found four records for Johan Johansen on the Ferncourt, arriving into New York. Here is probably the most interesting. The origianl manifest states that he was engaged {hired] on 10 May 1941 in New York. Left the port of Swansea on June 9, 1942 and arrived in New York on June 28, 1942. He is listed as 5"6", no weight. He is also listed as a Motorman. However birth date is off by 10 years.
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Johan Johansen
Arrival Date: 28 Jun 1942
Birth Date: abt 1911
Age: 31
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Swansea, Wales
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Ferncourt |
Edited by - AntonH on 15/02/2014 23:44:06 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 15/02/2014 : 23:48:04
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Here is the earliest record for a Johan Johansen on the Ferncourt. However the birth year is off even further than the one above. He is listed as a Motorman, 29 years at sea and 1,73 height and weight 63 kg.
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Johan Johansen
Arrival Date: 2 Feb 1940
Birth Date: abt 1895
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: La Guaira, Venezuela
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Ferncourt |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/02/2014 : 23:57:40
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Here is the one that I think you have already seen. Listed as a Motorman, Engaged {hired} in Swansea on May 17, 1942.
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Johan Johansen
Arrival Date: 16 Aug 1942
Birth Date: abt 1921
Age: 21
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Curacao, Dutch West Indies
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Ferncourt |
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