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geimar
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 Posted - 03/04/2014 : 13:11:10
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Hi,
As a new member/user on this forum I am really impressed by eagerness shown to help people find the information they are looking for.
I am not very experienced but I have tried to find some more information about my wifes great-grandfather.
His full name was Peter Otto Olsen Lerbak, borned in Elverum, Norway October 27, 1867. He married Karen (borned in Aasnes 1870) and they had 9 children (one of their daughters died 3 years old). They lived different places in the community of Hedmark, Norway. They divorced probably 1908-1909. A rumour says that he also had a son with their employee Olivia/Olivie Toverud (b. Aasnes 1877) in 1892 (named Rolf Olvar Mo/Moe).
Peter Lerbak left Norway with Tasso (2) from Kristiania to Grimsby October 8, 1910.
Next time I find him is in Brule, Union, South Dakota in 1915. As far as I can see he lived there until he died February 11, 1951. I have found his grave and been in contact with both the pastor and the church archivist. A notice in the local newspaper when he died states that he arrived in Canton Sept 9 1909 - a year before he left Kristiania!?!
What's the story from Peter arrived Grimsby in 1910, until he shows up in Brule? Any family in US?
Is it - in any way - possible to confirm (or kill) the rumour about his "extra" son? |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 03/04/2014 : 13:41:15
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Where were they living in 1892? Have you checked the parish register in that place for the "extra son.?"
Here is a possible for Olivia in the 1875 census:
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=4&filnamn=f70423&gardpostnr=12&merk=12#ovre
Kretsnr Herad Bustad nr. Bustad Gardnr Merknad
12 1 Grue 12 Holtet nordre Toverud 1 Ole Amundsens Plads
Personnr. Hushald Førenamn Etternamn Kjønn Fam. stilling Sivilstand Yrke Fødd år Fødestad Bostatus Kyr Sauer Bygg Blandkorn Havre Poteter
73 1 1 Ole Amundsen m hf g Skredder Husmand med Jord 1812 Hof b 2 4 1/8 3/8 7/8 2 4/8
74 2 Johanne Kristiansdatter k hans Kone g 1820 Grue b
75 3 Arne Olsen m deres Søn ug Maler 1856 Grue b
76 4 Olivia Amundsdatter k Sønnedatter forsørges af Moderen 1863 Grue b
77 5 Kristian Pedersen m indleiet forsørges af Moderen 1872 Hof b
Appears to be not the right person if poster's followup is correct. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 03/04/2014 19:27:25 |
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geimar
Starting member
Norway
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Posted - 03/04/2014 : 14:27:39
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Thanks!
I don't know where they lived in 1892, but in 1900 they lived in Stange - http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01037054005107
I have used most of my time to track Peter, but I have been told by some relatives of "the extra son" that his birth (or baptism) has been found. They told me that the name of the father was the name of a non-existing man. I have not seen this myself. His "extra son" was borned Sept 22 1902 (not 1892). Later on his mother Olivia/Olivie married a man called Simen M. Mo. The rumour also includes that Peter bougth a shop for Olivia and her son at Lillehammer where they can be found in 1910 http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036422001666 |
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David Yaw
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Posted - 03/04/2014 : 14:57:57
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I looked up the 1911 UK census for you. No record for Peter Lerbak. There are records for Peter Olsen, bit none near Grimsby. Inference is he travelled on to North America shortly after his arrival in Grimsby, and before census was taken on 2 April.
Norwegian migrants landing in Hull or Grimsby typically travelled by train across England to Liverpool for onward sailings.
Couldn't find a record for him in UK departing passenger lists for 1910 - nor in Ellis Island arrivals - but others on this site will be more familiar with researching the latter than am I. |
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JaneC
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jkmarler
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/04/2014 : 17:32:34
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Karen and children in 1910 in Våler herred:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036410002227
Karen --?-- b 16 Aug 1870 in Aasnæs [Karen Olsdatter?]
Ole Lerbak b 1893 Elvrum
Birger Lerbak b 10 Oct 1894 in Ringsaker
Olga Lerbak b 24 May 1896 in Stange
Petra Lerbak b 13 May.1897 in Stange
Oline Lerbak b 1899 died 1902 in Stange
Leiv Lerbak b 17 Sep.1902 in Vang Hedem.
Oline Lerbak b 02 July 1904 in Vang Hedem.
Ivar Lerbak b 21 Sep 1906 in Eidskog
Bjørn Lerbak b 29 Jun 1908 in Eidskog
Rolf Mo born 22 Oct 1902 in Lillehammer
Peter O. Lerbak memorial on Find-a-Grave
died 11 Feb. 1951
buried Saint Paul Cemetery, Elk Point, Union, South Dakota
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Lerbak&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=121852424&df=all&
Came back in an edit to add Oline b 1899 d 1902 to list of children |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/04/2014 : 17:54:55
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quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
Perhaps going to relatives? Here is a Bernt Ols. Lerbak from Elverum going to "Morris" in US:
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=14&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=57687&merk=57687#ovre
This might be the same Bernt in 1865
at Leerbak gaard, Elverum
father of this household is Ole Simensen, 45, b abt 1820 Løitens Prgj.
mother of this household is Helene Olsdatter, 43, b Elverums Prgj.
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f60427&personpostnr=4684&merk=4684
Birth of Petter Otto on 27 October 1867 in Elverum,
see #175:
Hedmark county, Elverum, Parish register (official) nr. 10 (1857-1868), Birth and baptism records 1867, page 104.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070126320175.jpg
Possibly the same family in 1865
on Næverlien gard in Elverum
Parents are Ole Halstensen and Berthe Pedersdatter, children
Helge Olsen b abt 1862
Christian Olsen b abt 1864
Looks like Ole's parents are here too
Halsten O. Skavhaugen and Karen Olsdatter
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=12&filnamn=f60427&gardpostnr=785&personpostnr=4911&merk=4911#ovre
 geimar, to answer this: "What's the story from Peter arrived Grimsby in 1910, until he shows up in Brule? Any family in US?" we have to first know who is his family in Norway. If you know anything about the family in Norway, let us know. Thanks much! |
Edited by - JaneC on 03/04/2014 18:15:49 |
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JaneC
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Posted - 03/04/2014 : 18:22:43
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About this one: "Is it - in any way - possible to confirm (or kill) the rumour about his "extra" son?"
We need to look up the birth record for Rolf in Lillehammer 22 Oct 1902. However, you've mentioned that someone you know already did that, and reported that an unknown man was listed as Rolf's father. The birth record is the genealogist's main way of determining paternity, and it's a long shot that anything but DNA can disprove the paternity stated on the birth record. In my admittedly limited experience, it seems that often a third party serves as witness to the truth that a given man is indeed the father of an illegitimate child.
Is it possible for you to return to the person to whom you spoke, and ask for a clarification and more specifics from the birth record? |
Edited by - JaneC on 03/04/2014 23:26:27 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 03/04/2014 : 19:17:35
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I went through Lillehammer's records quickly from 1902 and didn't find him- Rolf, that is. However on Rolf's confirmation record his parents are listed as Lars Larsen Ruud and Olivia Toverud and his birthplace is given as Faaberg.
The "s" on Karen's civil status in the 1910 census may be short for "skilt" divorced.
Faulty memory. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 04/04/2014 00:45:11 |
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JaneC
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Posted - 03/04/2014 : 20:09:20
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Here he is.
Rolf Olvar Rud
Born 22 September 1902
Parents
unmarried snedkersvend? Lars Hansen? born living in Amerika, born 1877
--?-- Olivia Olsdatter Toverud
SOURCE: Oppland county, Lillehammer in Fåberg, Parish register (official) nr. 11 (1899-1913), Birth and baptism records 1902, page 46.
See #46
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20050105010047.jpg
A photo of Rolf and his mother Olivia posted here, on a family tree for his brother/her son Sigmund born 1908 (Sigmund Mo Toverud):
http://www.geni.com/people/Sigmund-Mo-Toverud/6000000002866572201
geimar, is it a descendant in this family with whom you spoke?
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Edited by - JaneC on 04/04/2014 01:18:46 |
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JaneC
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Posted - 03/04/2014 : 23:39:28
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Below is Rolf's confirmation record. To my eye, the father's name looks the same.
1916
Rolf Olvar Moe (Ruud)
born 22 September 1902 in Faaberg
Parents
snedker Lars Hansen Ruud
Olivia Toverud
SOURCE: Oppland county, Lillehammer, Parish register (official) nr. 1 (1901-1916), Confirmation records 1916, page 371.
See #40
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051102061285.jpg
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jkmarler
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Posted - 04/04/2014 : 00:47:16
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quote:
Originally posted by JaneC
unmarried snedkersvend? Lars Hansen? born in Amerika in 1877?
--?-- Olivia Olsdatter Toverud
SOURCE: Oppland county, Lillehammer in Fåberg, Parish register (official) nr. 11 (1899-1913), Birth and baptism records 1902, page 46.
See #46
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20050105010047.jpg
Bøpæl / Bopel = Residence
One thing about the faddernes is it appears than a man named Hans Rud, Tamburstuen is possibly father of Lars is one and if Lars Hansen is a "straw man" would Lars' relatives be party to the "lie" also? |
Edited by - jkmarler on 04/04/2014 00:50:25 |
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JaneC
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Posted - 04/04/2014 : 01:36:40
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quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
I went through Lillehammer's records quickly from 1902 and didn't find him- Rolf, that is. However on Rolf's confirmation record his parents are listed as Lars Larsen Ruud and Olivia Toverud and his birthplace is given as Faaberg.
Yes, okay, so Lars Hansen Ruud is living in Amerika, and my old eyes don't deceive me - seems you also read Lars's name as Hansen, not Larsen.
About the lie - nothing in the records so far suggests there was a lie about Rolf's father being Lars Hansen Ruud. One can imagine many scenarios in which Peter Lerbek gets saddled with this story of paternity, true or not. I continue to wonder where that story came from.
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Edited by - JaneC on 04/04/2014 03:32:17 |
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JaneC
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Peter O.O. Lerbak
