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johnsonlori94
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 Posted - 09/04/2014 : 02:36:05
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I am trying to locate any information in regards to my great, great grand parents
Betsy Hermundsdatter Trulsen 1849?
Lewis Lars Andreas Bruntviet Knudtson 1848?
I had births in Iowa, however I am unable to find any information.
I did see a census that a possible birth place is Norway
Thank you
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Edited by - johnsonlori94 on 09/04/2014 02:43:37 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 09/04/2014 : 03:47:05
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Hi, to start, see this:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5079
It's important that researchers know exactly which Lars Knudsen this is, in the USA. So if you can share information from the USA, such as famiy stories, immigration record, marriage record, census record(s), death record, or obituary, great. One thing I am wondering about is: what is the source of the names you give for Lars and Betsy? (where did you read or hear those names?)
In this case, looks like like a family historian has been working on this family and shared this:
http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=46&p=surnames.knudtson
Says Lars Andreas Bruntveit Knudtson was born in 1851 in Tysnes, occupation: farmer and hotelldirektør, married in 1870, USA, to Brita Hermundsdatter, born in Mel i Sogn. Lars lived in Kensett, Iowa, USA and stayed in Iowa.
Lars [Lewis] and his wife, Brita [Betsy] had 9 children:
Rosan 1871, Henry 1874, Ellen 1876, Clara 1877, Mary 1880, Louis 1883, Bertie 1884, Clarence 1887, & Matilda 1891.
Link says Lars had a brother Jens [James] b 1852 and Knud b about 1858. Link says Jens was born in Bruntveit. |
Edited by - JaneC on 09/04/2014 06:15:45 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/04/2014 : 05:13:37
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Here is a boy named Lars Andreas who was born in 1851 in Tysnes, Hordaland, to a father named Knud. Need more info/more research to know if he's yours.
Father: Knud Larsen, Tysnes
Mother: Ragnild Jensdatter
(some other forum volunteer may have a better reading of the old script)
Source: Hordaland county, Tysnes, Parish register (official) nr. A 10 (1848-1859), Birth and baptism records 1851, page 39.
See #116
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20050825010043.jpg
A Ragnhild Knudtson b 1822 and Knudt Knudtson b 1818 are buried in Old West Paint Creek Cemetery in Allamakee County, Iowa. Often times in the USA a family chooses a surname that matches for everyone (unlike the Norwegian patronymic names). Do you know if Lars's parents emigrated? This couple caught my attention because of the unusual spelling of the name Knudt.
http://iowagravestones.org/gs_view.php?id=971858
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2014 : 06:01:44
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1880 US census
Kensett Township, Worth County, Iowa
Lewis A Knudtson 29, farmer, b about 1851 in Norway
Betsey Knudtson 32, wife, keeping house, b about 1848 Norway
Rosie Knudtson 8, daughter, attending school, b Iowa
Henry Knudtson 6, son, attending school, b Iowa
Ellen Knudtson 4, daughter, b Iowa
Clara Knudtson 2, daughter, b Iowa
Mary Knudtson 4 months old, daughter, b Iowa
+ two boarders
Same 1880 census record, as found in Norwegian digital archives:
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=IOWA1880&gardpostnr=44801&merk=44801#ovre
Accordingn to the family historian on the Ancestry message board (link posted above), this would be Lars's brother Knudt. As yet no one has posted any other source for this connection.
1880 US census
Kensett, Worth, Iowa
Knudt Knudtson 22, Laborer, born in Wis., parents b Norway
Minnie Knudtson 22, wife, keeping house, b Wis., parents b Norway
Henry A Knudtson 3 Son, b Iowa
Cal Knudtson 2 Son, b Iowa
Kensett Township, Worth, Iowa, was organized in 1873, so in earlier years the family would appear under a different place name (even if living same place). |
Edited by - JaneC on 09/04/2014 17:42:47 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 09/04/2014 : 09:24:42
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Knud Larsen, Brundtvedt and Ragnilde Jensdatter emigrated to US with their sons Lars Andreas and Jens in the spring of 1857, see #3-6.
Knud Larsen, Brundtvedt and Ragnilde Jensdatter, Frækeland were married Oct 25 1846, #22.
Knuds father was Lars Endresen and Ragnildes father was Jens Eriksen.
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Edited by - eibache on 09/04/2014 14:54:00 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/04/2014 : 09:30:35
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Knudt Larsen was born May 29 1820, #30 - his parents were Lars Endresen, nedre Bruntvedt and Anne Samsonsdatter.
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Edited by - eibache on 09/04/2014 09:31:30 |
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eibache
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Posted - 09/04/2014 : 11:23:34
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Ragnilde Jensdatter is most likely the one born Sept 6 1827 in Hafslo, #77 - parents Jens Eriksen and Agothe Hansdatter, Wedergjerde.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/04/2014 : 15:38:46
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Aha - thanks eibache.
Marriages in Worth County, Iowa
KNUDSEN, James marries TRULSEN, Emma * 12 June 1876
KNUDTSON, Lewis A. marries TRULSON, Betsy * 28 DEC 1870
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~iaworth/data/BridesTZ.html
A marriage record often mentions the parents, so you could order a copy of the original marriage record from Worth county. Usually the fee for that is quite modest.
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Back in an edit to say the family below must be the family of Betsey's father Hermund. 
Possibly Betsy emigrating here [born too early to be yours??]:
Brithe Trulsdatter Meel, age 16, sailing on the
Brig Statsraad Vogt 1850, from Bergen May 10 to New York July 15
http://www.norwayheritage.com/udvandret.asp?type=passengerlist&ps=3535&jo=1757
The passenger list:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=1757&ps=3533
In 1850, traveling on the same trip (rearranged into birth order):
Truls Hermandsen Meel 54 - [possible parents for Brithe]
Thuri Larsdatter Meel 40
Elling Trulsen Meel 29
* Brithe Andersdatter Meel 27 [wife to Elling?]
Mari Trulsdatter Meel 20
Lars Trulsen Meel 17
Brithe Trulsdatter Meel 16 [born about 1834, maybe too old to be your Betsy?]
Solwie Trulsdatter Meel 11
Mons Trulsen Meel 9
Christen Trulsen Meel 6
Johannes Trulsen Meel 3
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Edited by - JaneC on 10/04/2014 14:52:32 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2014 : 16:30:09
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WPA Tombstone Inscription Project, Worth County, Iowa, USA
Lewis A. Knudson
Born: 1851
Died: 1922
Cemetery: KENSETT
Location: KENSETT TWP.
County: WORTH CO. - IOWA
Record Notes: LOT 198, SEE ALSO LEWIS KNUTSON
Betsey Knudson
Born: 1849
Died: 1919
Cemetery: KENSETT
Location: KENSETT TWP.
County: WORTH CO. - IOWA
Record Notes: LOT 198
You can order a copy of their death records or if none registered with county, try to get copy of church burial record. Often (not always) parents' names and place of birth and full birth date are included in death information.
The Brithe I found emigrating was born earlier.
Here's an alternate cemetery record for Lewis:
Lewis Knutson
Born: 1851
Died: 13 APR 1922
Cemetery: KENSETT
Location: KENSETT TWP.
County: WORTH CO. - IOWA
Record Notes: B. GERMANY, H/O BETSY TRILSON, F/O MRS A TJADADEN; MANLY SIGNAL 4-13-1922
http://iowawpagraves.org/view.php?id=951447
As you can see it is important to know who is the person in the USA, as much info on him/her as possible, before a match can be found in Norway!
I suspect the record notes are incorrect. It's always a process, in genealogy, to separate the wheat from the chaff. |
Edited by - JaneC on 09/04/2014 16:39:12 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 09/04/2014 : 16:35:34
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Truls Hermandsens family moved out from Meel 1850, #1-11.
Britha Trulsdatter Meel was born March 12 1834, 14th record. Parents Truls Hermansen and Thuri Larsdatter.
Truls Hermundsens first wife was Britha Hermundsdatter - they were parents of Elling Trulsen (Oct 14 1821), Mari Trulsdatter (Dec 12 1829) and Lars Trulsen (July 29 1832).
Brithas parents Truls Hermundsen, Meel and Turi Larsdatter, Fosse were married June 2 1831, #10.
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Edited by - eibache on 10/04/2014 09:06:35 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 09/04/2014 : 16:57:29
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Okay, great, thanks!
The family historian (on Ancestry message board, posted earlier), referred to "Brita Hermundsdatter, born in Mel in Sogn."
So presumably that's Meel in Balestrand parish, Sogn og Fjordane, Norway.
Here's a link that shows contact information for someone who has researched this family:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wgnorway/par-l-m.htm
"MAEL (also found spelled MEEL, MEHL), Balestrand, Sogn og Fjordane: Elling Trulson, Brithe Andersdatter, Truls Hermundson, Turi (Thuri) Larsdatter, Lars Trulson, Mons Trulson, Christin Trulson, Johannes Trulson, Mari Trulsdatter, Brite Trulsdatter, Solvieg Trulsdatter" |
Edited by - JaneC on 09/04/2014 17:09:26 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/04/2014 : 19:33:37
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Turi Larsdatter was baptized Sept 17 1808, next to last record on right page. Her parents were Lars Nielsen, Fosse and Britha Sieursdatter.
Turis parents, a grandmother and siblings in 1801.
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Edited by - eibache on 10/04/2014 09:06:58 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/04/2014 : 20:00:28
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Troels (Truls) Hermundsen, his parents and a sister in 1801.
Troels Hermundsens baptismal record (1st Sunday after Easter) April 3 1796 first record on left page.
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Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 10/04/2014 09:09:08 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/04/2014 : 21:41:02
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Anne Samsonsdatter, her parents Samson Knudsen and Dordi Hansdatter, her sisters and her grandmother in 1801.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/04/2014 : 23:10:58
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1895 Iowa state census
Kensett, Worth, Iowa
L A Knudtson 44 born abt 1851 Norway
Betsey Knudtson 46 born about 1849 Norway
Ellen Knudtson 19 born about 1876 in Worth county - all the kids are born in Worth county, Iowa
Clara Knudtson 17
Mary Knudtson 15
Lewis Knudtson 11
Bertie Knudtson 10
Clarence Knudtson 7
Matilda Knudtson 3
1900 US census
Kensett, Worth, Iowa
Lewis Knutson 50 born Sep 1849 in Norway, to USA 1856, married 1870
Brita Knutson 52 born May 1848 Norway, to USA 1853, mother of 13 children and 9 are living
Lewis Knutson 17 born April 1883 Iowa
Bertie Knutson 15 born dec 1884 Iowa
Clarance A Knutson 13 born Feb 1887 Iowa
Nellie M Knutson 9 born April 1891 Iowa
1910
Kensett, Worth, Iowa
L A Knudtson 59 born about 1851 Norway, to USA 1856
Betsey Knudtson 62 born about 1858 Norway, to USA 1884
Lewis L Knudtson 26
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1925 Iowa State census
Kensett, Worth, Iowa
Louis L Knudtson 41 born about 1884 Iowa, parents: Louis A Knudtson and Betsy Pudron
May Knudtson 36
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Edited by - JaneC on 09/04/2014 23:11:34 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/04/2014 : 23:24:47
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eibache posted the March 1834 birth record of the Brithe we found immigrating with father Truls Hermandsen and mother Thure Larsdatter.
Sogn og Fjordane fylke, Balestrand, Ministerialbok nr. A 1 (1834-1846), Fødte og døpte 1834, side 1.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070302610347.jpg
I didn't find a Brithe born in 1847, 1848, 1849 in this same churchbook with a father Truls or Herman, but perhaps I simply didn't see it. |
Edited by - JaneC on 09/04/2014 23:28:44 |
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Bestsy Hermundsdatter Trulsen -Lewis A Knudstson 1
