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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 14/04/2014 : 01:20:45
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The last name is an address name (farm name) and it can change when the person moves. When eibache posted and transcribed the following records, he used the names as found on the record quoted. Below, the parents' names stay the same, but the place name changes.
Frederika Larsdatter was born Oct 28 1831. Her parents were Lars Sivertsen, Rye and Martha Olsdatter. Lars Sivertsen, Bøe Røe and Martha Olsdatter, Skjolborg were married July 8 1819.
Ole Olsen was born Nov 16 1834. His parents were Ole Larsen, Dørdal and Karen Christensdatter. Ole Larsen, Snossen and Karen Christensdatter, Øren were married July 8 1824. |
Edited by - JaneC on 14/04/2014 21:44:29 |
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padow
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Posted - 14/04/2014 : 06:32:10
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Thanks Jane C for explaining that. It is abundantly obvious when someone explains it you.!
Thanks to you and all the other respondents who took the time to research on my behalf.
Regards Padow. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 14/04/2014 : 16:27:21
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I know what you mean!
Below, 1865 census (link previously posted)
Andølsøien farm, Ørkedal, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway
Ole Olsen, Husfd. (husfader - father of the house), Husmd med Jord (type of farmer), g (gift = married), age 32, male, birthplace Ørkedals Prestegjeld
Fredrikka Larsdatter, hans Kone (his wife), age 31, everyone in the family born in Ørkedals Prgj.
Ole Olsen, deres Søn (their son), ug (ugift = unmarried), age 5
Oline Olsdatter, deres Datter (their daughter), ug, age 2
Ole Larsen, hans Fader (his father), Fattiglem (poor, dependent), age 72
Karen Kristensdatter, hans Kone (his wife), Fattiglem, age 68
Another way of seeing the same 1865 census record here
Look down near "Name of census district" and click on the D.no. "009" to see neighboring households Dørdahl and Snøsen.
Below, a map I first learned about from Kåre. Type place names in the search box (Søk box). You can zoom and pan out at will, and change from map to satellite photos etc.
http://kart.finn.no/
Another portal here
Trøndelag Genealogy Resouces on the Internet here
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Edited by - JaneC on 14/04/2014 21:43:10 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 14/04/2014 : 17:06:12
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padow, I hope forum members will confirm these records for Lars Sivertsen before you accept them, though perhaps first you should confirm this is your Olden's family.
Could this be the death of Lars Sivertsen, here?: #84
Source information for the above: Sør-Trøndelag county, Orkdal, Parish register (official) nr. 668A06 (1854-1869), Death and burial records 1867, page 308.
Lars Sivertsen, age 76,
bostad (residence) Rye paa Monsetjaaren, Orkdal prestegjeld, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway (I think paa = near)
born about 1791
died 22 Nov 1867, buried 30 Nov 1867
Could this be the baptism of Lars 09 Sept 1792 in Orkdal, father Sivert Jonsen, transcription here
Baptism of the above Lars as found in the Orkdal churchbook (see right hand page) here
Maybe Lars in 1801 with parents Sivert Jonsen and Helena Larsdatter at Røed, Ørkedal here
The brother Jon from the above 1801 appears on this family tree
Could this be the confirmation of same Lars, age 16 in 1808
BTW the blue bar at the top (Image information) gives the option of On top, On bottom, and None. (If None is selected, you won't see the further options.) To share the image choose "Permanent Imagelink" |
Edited by - JaneC on 14/04/2014 22:25:49 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 14/04/2014 : 17:23:09
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Fredrikke Larsdtr, born in Rye (Rye, Orkdal, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway) getting confirmed at age 15 in 1846
from eibache, Frederikas siblings were:
Helena Larsdatter, Nov 15 1818 - married Erik Jonsen; as a widow married Christian Larssen in 1851
Kierstina Larsdatter, April 18 1822 - married Erik Knudsen 1843
Marithe Larsdatter, Apr 12 1825
Martha Larsdatter, Aug 2 1827 - married John Martinussen in 1854
Sigri Larsdatter, Sep 30 1829
Johanna Larsdatter, May 2 1838
+ Olava 29.01.1835?
Source: Various records here |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 14/04/2014 : 19:23:55
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quote:
Originally posted by JaneC
padow, I hope forum members will confirm these records for Lars Sivertsen before you accept them, though perhaps first you should confirm this is your Olden's family.
Could this be the death of Lars Sivertsen, here?: #84
Source information for the above: Sør-Trøndelag county, Orkdal, Parish register (official) nr. 668A06 (1854-1869), Death and burial records 1867, page 308.
Lars Sivertsen, age 76,
bostad (residence) Rye paa Monsetjaaren, Orkdal prestegjeld
born about 1791
died 22 Nov 1867, buried 30 Nov 1867
Could this be the baptism of Lars 09 Sept 1792 in Orkdal, father Sivert Jonsen, transcription here
Baptism of the above Lars as found in the Orkdal churchbook (see right hand page) here
Maybe Lars in 1801 with parents Sivert Jonsen and Helena Larsdatter at Røed, Ørkedal here
The brother Jon from the above 1801 appears on this family tree
Could this be the confirmation of same Lars, age 16 in 1808
BTW the blue bar at the top (Image information) gives the option of On top, On bottom, and None. (If None is selected, you won't see the further options.) To share the image choose "Permanent Imagelink"
I was looking into the same Lars when I saw your posting and came to the same conclucion.
Lars Sivertsen Rye born on Røe/Røed (cold be perceived as Bøe when he married Marthe Olsdatter Skjolborg, today spelled Skjølberg).
Monsetjaaren/Monsetjåren is a village/area in Orkdal where farm Rye is located
A carpet made on Rye in Orkdal 1858
Hyperlink saves space 
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Kåarto
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Posted - 14/04/2014 : 19:57:42
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A family-tree for Marthe Olsdatter Røe/Skjølberg, click here
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JaneC
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Posted - 14/04/2014 : 21:08:00
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Thanks for confirming Kåre. I think you are right about Røe could be perceived as Bøe. Here is Helena's birth/baptism 15 November 1818,
the father's name is Lars Sivertsen Røe, #46
Yes, love the hyperlinks. I'm glad I know how to make them now. You are a good teacher! |
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JaneC
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Posted - 14/04/2014 : 22:16:19
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Originally posted by Kåarto
A carpet made on Rye in Orkdal 1858
Kåre
Interesting! This looks like what we call a "rya" rug. I grew up with one; my parents owned one. Not an antique - rya rugs were "Scandinavian trendy" in the 1970s in the USA.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 14/04/2014 : 22:47:11
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padow - Udflyttede (Emigration) records for Orkdal, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway here
People usually registered with their home parish when leaving. Wouldn't it be great to find exactly "Olden Olsen" headed straight to New Zealand? The old script is hard to read but look for Navn (Name) and Fødselsaar (Birth year) and other recognizable words. I haven't found him. As earlier mentioned, he maybe left as a crewman on a boat (as was the case with many other young men from Norway who landed in New Zealand).
Another thing to look for is a 1900 census or a death record in Norway for the "candidate" Ole. If found, that would rule him out as yours.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 14/04/2014 : 22:56:28
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You are right, Rye from Rye
Rye/Rya was ment to have on the floor to walk on and a carpet to hang on the wall for decoration on in beds.
This from Rye seems perhaps to have been used on the floor.
Knotted, handmade in green, brown, read and yellow/white colors in 100% wool.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 14/04/2014 : 23:09:37
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Our Rya was on the wall. Is the name "Rya" rug from the place name Rye?
About "Olden Olsen" - could "Olden" = Odin?
padow, another way to build evidence that this candidate Ole Olsen is "your" Olden would be to find family members from Norway living near him in New Zealand or mentioned as baptismal sponsors for his children or in his obituary or probate and so on. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 14/04/2014 : 23:37:39
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Rye exist on different places in Norway.
In old days "Rya" was on the wall.
The origin of the name my be the Norse names rjoder or rud (written with old Norwegian letters) which means to "rudde" clear the land and means an open space in the forest.
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JaneC
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Posted - 14/04/2014 : 23:49:51
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Interesting!
I think Olden Olsen died in Whakatane, Bay of Plenty, New Zealand - a long way from Orkdal.
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padow
Starting member
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Posted - 14/04/2014 : 23:50:37
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Wow. Thank you all so much. This is fascinating research.
I think I may have found the Olden I was looking for as a crewman on a ship arriving in New Zealand in 1888. I have yet to verify this but it looks really promising. Loved the photo of the rug -so good to know it is preserved in a museum.
Now I am wondering if Oline the female child on the 1865 married and has descendants living in the area of Orkdal. Maybe that's another line of inquiry for the distant future.
Regards Padow |
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