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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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 Posted - 15/04/2014 : 00:03:12
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I have only seen Olden as male name once in Norway before, an Ole Olden Pollestad b. ca 1800.
Since "our" Ole`s father was Ola/Ole Olsen, "Olden" as firstborn son would have been named Ole after his fathers father Ole.
In N.Z. he could change his name to what he wanted.
You do not know if he came to Norsewood first?
Ship Høvding made 2 journeys from Oslo with Norwegian emigrants to Norsewood in 1872 and -73 paid for by the N.Z. authorities bacause they wanted Scandinavians.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 15/04/2014 00:21:36 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 15/04/2014 : 00:10:25
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Good point about the name. Born 1861 - 1870, he would travel with family if he journeyed in 1872 - 1875.
An Ole Olsen, born in Odalen, traveled in 1872 to Norsewood with son Ole born about 1861, found on the passenger list for the ship Hovding. The mother Eli H, not Frederikka; possibly could be "our" Olden if Eli is a step-mother or if his record(s) in NZ give the name of step-mother. A long shot.
The above Ole is out - he died in Norsewood
Bottom line: the Ole Olsen found in Orkdal is a really excellent candidate to be Olden, but his identity is not confirmed. Perhaps if the forum saw more records of Olden in NZ a clue would jump out or could be followed up?
padow - you asked about the sister Oline, and another line of inquiry could be to find her descendants and see if there's a family story of her brother going to New Zealand. If this is the right family and if she also emigrated to NZ, she might appear as "Lina" or "Lena." |
Edited by - JaneC on 15/04/2014 00:35:26 |
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padow
Starting member
New Zealand
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Posted - 15/04/2014 : 04:44:37
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Hello Jane C
The record gets a bit muddled on the New Zealand side. His death records say he lived in NZ for 48 yrs. This points to an arrival circa 1888. He appears to have married a woman of Maori origin( also recorded on the death cert) when he was 51 yrs old but there seem to be no official government records of this union . There is some cultural sensitivity around Maori records and that is a path which someone from that ethnic group needs to follow.!
An additional query I have is about census data after 1875. If we could find out if Olden/Ole's father are still in the same district I think that would verify that "our" Olden/Ole came to New Zealand on his own. I have already tried the Norsewood New Zealand records but I don't think our man chose to settle there.
Thanks for all the continuing interest and speculation around our mystery man.
Regards Padow. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 15/04/2014 : 05:58:22
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Here are the 4 names "olden" found at Digitalarkivet:
Navn Fødselsdato Fødested Stilling og stand Bosted Hendelsesdato Rolle Kilde
Olden Nilsen 1860* Onsø deres Søn ug Onsø: Krabberød 31.12.1865 folketelt Folketelling 1865 for 0134P Onsøy prestegjeld
Ole Olden Pollestad 1801* Aare Sogn Huusfader g Arbeidsmand Sildearbeider Stavanger: !! 31.12.1865 folketelt Folketelling 1865 for 1103 Stavanger kjøpstad
Jens Olden 29.05.1793 14.07.1793 barn Ministerialbok for Ørland prestegjeld 1767-1818 (1621P)
Olden Fredrik Lyng Larsen 1857 Gb. Kværnnæs 10.06.1888 far Ministerialbok for Skjervøy prestegjeld, Nordreisa sokn 1878-1894 (1941P)
The Onsø Olden's father is not Ole Olson nor is his mother Fredrekke Larson. Oldin Alfred Nielsen #110
Source information: Østfold county, Onsøy, Parish register (official) nr. 3 (1841-1860), Birth and baptism records 1860, page 119.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5751&idx_id=5751&uid=ny&idx_side=-123
And Oldin Alfred is captain of the ship Anna in 1900 & married:
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=s0landet&personpostnr=1725&merk=1725 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 15/04/2014 06:48:23 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2014 : 07:10:18
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Here is an interesting Olden Olson enlisting in US Navy in 1885, age 23 born "Tholonen Norway":
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-14738-6660-63?cc=1825347
Haven't found "Tholonen" but he also has interesting tatts: heart and the word "loyra" or "logra". Haven't found Loyra but if the o is actually ø and you drop the y (as often happens) you are left with Løra, a hytte in Snillfjord about 20 km on the 714 highway from Orkdalsfjørden..... |
Edited by - jkmarler on 15/04/2014 13:23:19 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 15/04/2014 : 14:45:14
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interesting tatts: heart and the word "loyra" or "logra". Haven't found Loyra but if the o is actually ø and you drop the y (as often happens) you are left with Løra, a hytte in Snillfjord about 20 km on the 714 highway from Orkdalsfjørden
wouldn't it be reasoable that the name referred to a girl rather than an adress?
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2014 : 15:28:05
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Well sure it's possible....
Search for first name Løyra:
Ingen funne
Search name of person in census 1865
ngen funne
Search name of person in census 1875
Ingen funne
Search name of person in census 1900
Search for first name Loyra
Ingen funne
Search name of person in census 1865
Ingen funne
Search name of person in census 1875
Ingen funne
Search name of person in census 1900
Search for name Lora:
1865 one in all Norway:
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f60613&gardpostnr=696&personpostnr=3059&merk=3059#ovre
1875:
Troms Karlsøy
Gardnr Personnr. Førenamn Etternamn Kjønn Fam. stilling Sivilstand Fødd år Fødestad Bostatus
1888
50 8 Lora Knudsina Andorsdatter k Kone g 1845 Helgø S. K b
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82 6 Lora?? Amanda Andreasdatter k d 1875 Helgø S. K. b
Kristiania:
Gate Personnr. Førenamn Etternamn Kjønn Fødd år Fødestad Bostatus
72286
Platuo No 16a, 16b, 16c 103 Lora Edvina Andersen k 1874 Kristiania b
1900:
Avaldsnæs Rogaland;
Gardnr Gard Førenamn Etternamn Kjønn Busett Fam. stilling Sivilstand Yrke Fødd år Fødestad Nasjonalitet Trussamf.
1041
30 Søndre-Vaage. Lora Bendiksdtr. k b D ug Tjenestepige 1887 T N S
Ålesund, Møre og Romsdal:
Gate Førenamn Etternamn Kjønn Busett Fam. stilling Sivilstand Yrke Fødd år
11474
Volsdalsveien Lora Elvsaas k b d ug Datter 94
Trondheim:
Gate Matr.nr. Førenamn Etternamn Kjønn Busett Fam. stilling Sivilstand Yrke Fødd år Fødestad Nasjonalitet Trussamf.
7802
Nordregade 19 Lora Johansen k b Pige ug Tjenestepige 1874 Hammerfest n s
10279
Dronningens Gade 40 Lora Rønning k b d ug Cassererske ved Apothek 1862 t n s
Troms
Tromso
Gate Matr.nr. Førenamn Etternamn Kjønn Busett Fam. stilling Sivilstand Yrke Fødd år Fødestad
6755
Otto Sverdrupsgade 519 Lora Nilsen k b hm g Syerske 1835 Helgø Tr
Troms, Helgøy:
Gardnr Gard Førenamn Etternamn Kjønn Busett Fam. stilling Sivilstand Yrke Fødd år Etnisitet Språk
923
14 Grundfjord søndre Lora Andorsen k b hm g Gaardmandskone Kreaturstel og Husgjerning 1845 n %b% n
Troms, Karlsøy:
Gardnr Gard Førenamn Etternamn Kjønn Busett Sedvanleg bustad Fam. stilling Sivilstand Yrke Fødd år Etnisitet
1518
42 Burøsund Lora Nilsen k mt Tromsø hm g Fiskerkone 1876 n %b%
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 15/04/2014 : 20:25:04
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The only Ole Olsen born in Norway between 1857-65 with parents Ole Olsen and Fredrikke/Frederikke/Fredrikka Larsdatter I have found is the one from Orkdal municipality b. 1861.
And "Olden" Olsen came to New Zeland ca 1888.?
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Edited by - Kåarto on 15/04/2014 21:20:31 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 15/04/2014 : 22:48:33
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Wow, Kåre, that is a lot of looking you've done. Wonderful.
padow, would you please post the immigration (crewman) record you found 1888 and also transcriptions of other records. A jpg (image) of the birth place as written might help. Would be good for the forum to see the records you have more fully. Thanks. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2014 : 23:03:20
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I have looked into some Emigrants who dep. Oslo for New Zealand in the 1870s -80s and -90s.
The majority changed ship in Hull England, but also Copenhagen Denmark or Hamburg Germany were used.
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padow
Starting member
New Zealand
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Posted - 15/04/2014 : 23:29:40
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Hello all Thanks again. Am unsure hoe to insert the image you asked for. There doesn't seem to be a place here to insert a jpeg.
Regards Padow |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2014 : 23:48:54
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Thanks for that Kåre
Padow, I don't know how to insert a jpg either but here's a work around, at free website Tiny Pics
http://tinypic.com/
Create a free account and upload a photo.
After successful upload, you'll see options for URLs etc. Choose the URL appropriate for forums and copy and paste here.
It's rather surprising, but the records from the adopted country are just as important if not more so than the search in an immigrant's homeland. You've presented the key points - very helpful - but you never know what detail might be meaningful to someone else (I'm especially thinking of the sharp-eyed Norwegian researchers here and others who have long experience in Norwegian research). No guarantees - but definitely worth a shot.
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padow
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New Zealand
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 16/04/2014 : 20:20:20
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Originally posted by padow
http://tinypic.com/r/wi62bb/8 I hope this works. Printout for Olden Olden
Great.
Under column "Where born" I read;
(1) orkkedalen Norway.
The older spelling for Orkdal was Ørkedalen.
Another spelling is Orkedalen.
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padow
Starting member
New Zealand
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Posted - 16/04/2014 : 22:34:18
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Thanks again
Happy Easter
padow |
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