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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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dianericky
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 Posted - 10/05/2014 : 19:27:46
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Dear Contributers,
Thank you again for this new information--
I am waiting on the Denver Public Library to get me the property records for the Gaylord address in Denver for my great grandfather, Walter G to see who was on the property in 1913 from the directory page.
I also tried to find Anna's grave at the oldest Denver cemetary, Riverside, which is near the neighborhood Elyria where Gaylord Street is otherwise will continue to search for her in Denver, perhaps contact the DPL for the funeral home--
Blessings,
Diane |
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JaneC
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/05/2014 : 13:08:44
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Originally posted by JaneC
Andrew Thompson who died 06 July 1906 is buried at Newburg Methodist Church Cemetery in Mabel, Fillmore, Minnesota (Row 3, Lot 9)
as is
Anne Thurmudsen, "Konen til Andrius Thurmudsen" died 15 Oct 1872 (Row 3, Lot 10)
A little history of Newberg Methodist:Church in Newburg Township:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mnfillmo/cemetery/newburg.htm
Another resource for this part of Minnesota is the Dalby Database:
http://www.dalbydata.com/user.php?action=cemsearchresults
Excellent finding Jane, a good reminder, too that not all Norwegians were Lutheran but sometimes practiced other faiths as well. Also interesting since Andrew has a wife Hanna or Johanna--wondering why the transformation from Anna to Johanna. So there are two women there (though of similar age and name).
And another interesting thing is Anne died 3 days after the birth of "Walber". I suspect that Walber, since she was female, was actually Walborg or Valbor / Valborg after Anne's mother. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 11/05/2014 13:24:20 |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 11/05/2014 : 13:58:39
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What are facts, and what are "best guesses" in this topic? And what is still to be found?
Waldemer G. Thompson and Anna Anderson married in Newburg, Fillmore, MN on 28 Dec 1899, No parents given. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 11/05/2014 : 14:44:47
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His name:
Walter is a reasonable adaptation to Waldemer. Walter uses G as a middle initial most often, so G must be significant of something.
His birthplace:
Walter G. Thompson was born in Minnesota. The original poster states Fillmore county, Minnesota from what source, we don't know.
His birth date:
Walter G. Thompson has a variety of birth years given in various census reports:
1863
1869
1870
1872
It would be valuable to find a birth record for him with an exact date and parents' names. But since none has been found, the census data is the only real evidence.
"My best guess" is that Walter G. Thompson began life as Gabriel Waldemer Thompson a younger son of Andrew and Anna Thompson who lived in Newberg twp, Fillmore county, Minnesota. That he transformed his name to 1) make it an easier go in the family that already had a son named Gabriel 2) Waldemer is an uncustomary first name so made it to Walter.
A death certificate for Walter G. Thompson would be useful if it contains his birthdate and parents' names and birth place.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 11/05/2014 : 15:17:16
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| Btw; "Waldemer" would be spelled Valdemar or Waldemar in Norwegian. |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 11/05/2014 : 15:48:59
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Census-1900 for Waldemer G Thompson and his wife Anna. (as shown before in this topic)
In the household next to them lives Andrus Thompson (74) and his wife Johanna (67).
He (Andreas/Andrew) is born in Feb 1826, she is born in Aug 1833. They married in 1873. He emigrated in 1860, she in 1870.
Looks like they could be the parents of Waldemer/Walter.
Probably them in Census-1880, allthough they have old children that indicate they must have married before 1873....
Update: Johanna states in 1900 that she is the mother of 2 children, 0 living. Thus, Johanna could be his second wife. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 11/05/2014 : 16:11:25
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Census-1900 for Waldemer G Thompson and his wife Anna. (as shown before in this topic)
In the household next to them lives Andrus Thompson (74) and his wife Johanna (67).
He (Andreas/Andrew) is born in Feb 1826, she is born in Aug 1833. They married in 1873. He emigrated in 1860, she in 1870.
Looks like they could be the parents of Waldemer/Walter.
Probably them in Census-1880, allthough they have old children that indicate they must have married before 1873....
Update: Johanna states in 1900 that she is the mother of 2 children, 0 living. Thus, Johanna could be his second wife.
Walter G. Thompson needs an exact birth date. The variability of the census reporting being what it is this might be a way to deal with it
1863
1869
1870
1872
Delete the high and delete the low and what's left? 1869-1870. Johanna is not his mother by birth. His mother is Anna, the woman in the household in 1870. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 11/05/2014 : 16:31:50
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Newburg Methodist Church might have a birth record or confirmation record with full name and date of birth and parents. Since Walter's (candidate) mother was buried in 1872 as Thurmudsen, it could be that's his birth surname, though the family is indeed Thompson in the 1865 and 1870 census. (But at least is certainly worth mentioning to any church look-up volunteer.)
eibache had a candidate getting married in Fillmore county 10 Jan 1900; jwiborg posted a marriage in Newburg, Fillmore county, 28 Dec 1899. Are these transcriptions you are viewing? Is this two marriages for same person?
Records for any of Walter's children might tie him to the boy Gabriel Valdemar/Waldemar Thompson in Newburg. I see jkmarler posted birth records for two of them.
1910 in Denver - Walter G Thompson born about 1869
1895 MN state census - Walter G Thompson born about 1870
1885 Minnesota State Census in Newburg, Fillmore, Minnesota
Gabriel V Thompson age 16 -- born about 1869
The youngest kids in 1880 in Newburg, Fillmore, Minnesota:
Thomas Thompson 19
Andrew Thompson 16
Jacob Thompson 14
Waldermund Thompson 12 - born about 1868
Edward Thompson 10
The youngest kids in 1875, in Newburg, Fillmore, Minnesota:
Thomas Thompson 18
Andrew Thompson 13
Jacob Thompson 8
Gabriel W Thompson 6 - born about 1869
Eddie Thompson 5
The youngest kids in 1870:
John Thompson 8 [corresponds to Thomas]
Andrew Thompson 6
James Thompson 4 [corresponds to Jacob]
G V Thompson 1 <------------------------------ likely born about 1869
Eddie Thompson 0
Here is the younger brother Edward A Thompson memorial on Find-a-Grave. Two brothers, Andrew and T.A., are said to survive him, so Waldemar and Jacob have likely died earlier:
Birth: Jun. 4, 1870
Death: Apr. 27, 1950
"Funeral at Mabel for E. A. Thompson" -- obit published in the Winona Republican-Herald 03 May 1950
"Funeral services were conducted at Mabel First Lutheran church on Monday for E. A. Thompson, 79, who died at his home in Winona on Thursday. The Rev. Phillip C. Hiller, and Dr. L. E. Brynestad officiated. Burial was in the Mabel cemetery. Mr. Thompson was born near Mabel June 4, 1870. For a number of years he farmed and later operated a restaurant at Prosper, Minn. Since 1947 he lived in Winona. Survivors are his wife, one son, Allen, Rice Lake, Wis.; two daughters, Mrs. Hans (Blanche) Hanssen, Winona; Mrs. John (Clarice) Olson, La Crescent, Minn; two brothers, Andrew and T. A. Thompson of Mabel; seven grandchildren and four great-grandchildren."
Possibly Andrew died the following year, in 1951. Online transcription of MN death certificate (#1951-MN-006140) does not include parents but original might.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Thompson&GSiman=1&GScnty=1332&GSsr=41&GRid=46836801&
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The following is of interest only if Walter G. Thompson does indeed turn out to be a member of the Andrew Thompson family.
EMIGRATION
1856 Lars Gabrielsen, Gardbruker, Heimstad: Roaldkvam, Suldal registered to depart Stavanger, bound for Newburg, Minnesota
1856 Gabriel Gabrielsen, Heimstad: Roaldkvam, Suldal, bound for Mabel, Minnesota
EMIGRATION
1862 Lars Gabrielsen born 02.09.1823, Heimstad: Roaldquam, Suldal, married to Ingrid Olsdatter, registered to depart Stavanger
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=STAV&personpostnr=59133&merk=59133
Lars (age 38-1/2) and Inger (age 22) appear on the 1862 Udflyttede list, Suldal i Suldal, on the page before the Andrew Thurmudsen/Thompson family posted earlier.
As also does Valborg Gabrielsdatter who is married to Lars P. Vegge, with children Anna, Poul, Guri, etc
Their dates of birth correspond to the dates in the Newburg Methodist Cemetery.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mnfillmo/cemetery/Newburg%20Cemetery.pdf
This couple (Lars and Inger) had at least two sons named Walbor (per Newburg cemetery list).
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jkmarler
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Posted - 11/05/2014 : 17:05:14
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These are the burials in Row 3, lot by lot of the Newburg Methodist Church:
1. Svend Nelson
2. Isabell Nelson
3. Nels Thompson
4. Isabell Thompson
5. Nellie Thompson
6. Walbor Gabrielson
7. Walbor Gabrielson
8. Oline Gabrielson
9. Andrew Thompson
10. Anne Thurmadsen
11. Lars Gabrielson
12. Ingeri Gabrielson
13. Caroline Nelson
14. Joseph Nelson
15. Sarah A. Eastman
16. Severt P. Johnson
17. Caroline Nelson / Alfred E. Knudsen
18. Theodore Knudsen
19. Serena Knudsen
20. Ole B. Knudsen
21. L.C. Tarvestad / Malenda Tarvestad
22. I.M. Gabrielson
23 G Gabrielson
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jkmarler
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Posted - 11/05/2014 : 17:18:40
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| The elder brother Gabriel Thompson d. in 1924 getting an obituary for him might be valuable since it might mention siblings and Walter G. Thompson is still living as of 1930 census (if accepting the first name transformation is possible) |
Edited by - jkmarler on 11/05/2014 17:19:42 |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 11/05/2014 : 17:51:52
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I think there is enough proof to say that the parents to Walter G. Thompson are:
Anders Thormodsen (Feb 1826 - 06 Jul 1906) and Anne Gabrielsdr ( - 15 Oct 1872), from Roalqvam farm in Suldal, Rogaland, Norway.
They emigrated in spring 1862, and I think they must have been on the bark HEBE, leaving Stavanger, arriving in Quebec.
Many people from Suldal were on that ship.
Some mismatch regarding the dates for departure:
27 Apr - 23 Jun
13 May - 23 Jun
15 Apr - ? |
Edited by - jwiborg on 11/05/2014 17:53:26 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 11/05/2014 : 18:09:39
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I'm not sure if Hathitrust addresses are permanent links or not but here is a story mentioning Lars Gabrielson from Suldahl coming to US in 1862 and settling in Fillmore county:
http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89064047871;view=1up;seq=147
The story above the Lars Gabrielson mention is about Gabriel Gabrielson an elder brother of Lars who came to US in 1854, first to LaSalle county, Illinois then in 1855 to Fillmore County. He seems successful so perhaps going to your successful sibling is the motivation to come to Fillmore county.
Here is the book title & info:
History of Fillmore County, Minnesota / compiled by Franklyn Curtiss-Wedge ; assisted by William Willford ... [et al.]
Main Author: Curtiss-Wedge, Franklyn.
Other Authors: Willford, William.
Language(s): English
Published: Chicago : H.C. Cooper, Jr., 1912.
Subjects: Fillmore County (Minn.) > Biography.
Fillmore County (Minn.) > History.
Note: Includes biographical index.
Physical Description: 2 v. (xv, 1170 p.) : ports. ; 27 cm. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 11/05/2014 18:53:03 |
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