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aethos
Medium member
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 Posted - 15/07/2014 : 18:24:08
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Hello! Reading it sounds like some here might have experience that could help me? I've found some conflicting records and online family trees that may or may not be correct.
I was looking into the family of Sigvald Johan Olson and Gunvor Gunvaldsdatter of Wisconsin, US. Their tombstones list birth/death dates of:
* Sigvald 1819 - 1899
* Gunar 1830 - 1899
I can find Sigvald Johan Olson in Norway, b1819 and his wife Gunvor which appears to be an older version of Gunar. However when I look her up she wasn't born in 1830.
In fact, according to baptism records Gunvor Gunvaldsdatter was born 26 nov 1824 and she had a brother Gunvor Gunvaldsen who was born 28 jun 1829. I found the two records on ancestry's website. Parents on both birth records were Gunvald Christensen and Ane Nielsdr (Nielsdatter).
So I'm trying to figure out if I have the wrong Gunvor/Gunar or if I found the wrong records in Norway, or if someone put the wrong birth year on her headstone? I've seen wrong dates on headstones that happen before but it's not very common.
Thanks everyone! I greatly appreciate any suggestions. |
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vivi
Senior member
Norway
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Posted - 15/07/2014 : 18:40:43
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Hi
I have never seen the name Gunar or Gunnar used about a female.
She might have had the name Gĝner?
Gunvor is a female name.
Gunvald is a male name. |
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aethos
Medium member
USA
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aethos
Medium member
USA
92 Posts |
Posted - 15/07/2014 : 18:50:52
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I shortened the ancestry.com links if anyone has an account and wants to look at them with me:
Gunvor Gunvaldsdatter: http://ow.ly/zbJeT
Gunvor Gunvaldsen: http://ow.ly/zbJBZ
One thing I notice is that while the "reference number" changes, the FHL film number does not (127044). I kind of wish I could see the original church record. They are baptism records.
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 15/07/2014 : 19:32:40
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You wanted to see the records.
"Enkemand" Widower Sigvald Johan Olsen 27 and "Pigen" Maid Gunvor Gunvaldsdatter 18 married in Sannidal at Kragerĝ Nov. 19. 1846.
Fathers; Ole Pedersen and Gunvald Pedersen, see couple #31
Gunvald Pedersen is probably an error for G. Christensen
Photos from Sannidal Church from 1772 link
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Edited by - Kċarto on 15/07/2014 19:59:34 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 15/07/2014 : 20:03:23
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Gunvor Gunvaldsdatter born to "Arbeidsmand" Laborer Gunvald Christensen and Ane Nielsdatter June 28. bapt. in Sannidal Church July 12. 1829, see #80
Kċre |
Edited by - Kċarto on 15/07/2014 20:06:01 |
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aethos
Medium member
USA
92 Posts |
Posted - 15/07/2014 : 20:24:26
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Those are great. I'd tried navigating those archives but struggled with the handwriting. Having them pointed out makes it a great deal easier to read. I'd also read about the church but didn't reason that it would still be there.
So I'm quite confident that though her headstone says "Gunar" her name was "Gunvor". They wrote Gunvor on the census for 1860, 1870 and for 1880 they wrote "Gunval" but I'm guessing it was a transcription error by the census taker.
Kare, would you agree then that the note about Gunvor Gunvaldsen is probably an error? It looks like perhaps someone looked at the Church record, thought Gunvor somehow was a boy and wrote Gunvaldsen instead?
Ahh. Accessibility to bad records explains so many perils of reading untrained people's genealogy research. :) I should be so bad if I wasn't so anal retentive.
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 15/07/2014 : 20:35:46
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Gunvor is a female name, and her name in Norway was Gunvor.
At least Sigvald Johan Olsens father in the marriage record from 1846 is not correct, Ole Pedersen might have been his steph father.
Sigvald Johan was born out of wedloc in Bamble, he should have been bapt. Sigvald Johan Sigvaldsen.
His mother was "Pige" Maid Johanne Marie Larsdatter from farm Bierkeseth but born in Kragerĝ and bachelor Sigvald Torgrimsen from farm Holte in Sannidal, see #21
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aethos
Medium member
USA
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Posted - 15/07/2014 : 21:02:21
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This is a great tip and something I don't think I could have found on my own. Thank you. Could you share how you found it so quickly? I wouldn't think it would be so apparent when they are born almost 30km from where most of their records show?
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aethos
Medium member
USA
92 Posts |
Posted - 15/07/2014 : 22:03:15
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Case in point actually... I'm trying to track down Gunvor's mother Anne Nilsdatter b ~1799 in Sannidal. However there were three Anne Nilsdatters born there in that time. Is there a trick to this sort of thing?
You've been incredibly helpful and I thank you for that. |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 15/07/2014 : 22:27:57
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quote:
Originally posted by aethos
This is a great tip and something I don't think I could have found on my own. Thank you. Could you share how you found it so quickly? I wouldn't think it would be so apparent when they are born almost 30km from where most of their records show?
I was in Luck 
I found their wedding record via Familysearch where I was able to read where they was born.
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 15/07/2014 : 22:46:13
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Gunvald was 25 and Ane 23 when they married in Sannidal July 7. 1822.
Ane Niels-/Nilsdatter was from farm Blankenberg, a subfarm under Lier in Sannidal
Gunvald was born on farm Moe in Sannidal.
They both worked on farm Storemyr when they married, Ane as "Tjeneste pige" Servant maid, see right page #15
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Edited by - Kċarto on 17/07/2014 20:11:39 |
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aethos
Medium member
USA
92 Posts |
Posted - 15/07/2014 : 22:46:49
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| Luck is how I ended up trying to sort of Jordain de St. Martin and Jordain de St. Mary b. ca. 1100 to figure out if I was really descended from Charlamagne. I think your luck is better than mine. :) Thanks. I'll start using family search as well in my queries. |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 15/07/2014 : 23:01:49
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Perhaps this time
Gunvald (nr 996) on a sub farm under Moe with parents; Cottager/Crofter Christen Gunolvsen and Gunild Haraldsdatter, a brother Harald and a sister Ingebjĝrg 1810
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Edited by - Kċarto on 15/07/2014 23:39:35 |
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aethos
Medium member
USA
92 Posts |
Posted - 15/07/2014 : 23:17:45
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Correct. I had actually tracked them down, and their parents are Gunvold Jonsen and Ingeborg Christensdatter, with hers being Herald Jensen and Gunild Torbiornsen. They weren't too bad to sort out. Ane Nilsdr however could be one of about three different women.
In fact, there were 3 of them born in 1799 in Telemark. There were also 3 born just in the city of Sannidal between 1798 and 1800.
I will not name my son John Smith. |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 16/07/2014 : 00:02:31
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I cannot find Blankenberg in the 1801 census, but the farm exist in the 1782 and 1865 census.
1782 Blankenberg was owned by sawmillmaster Ansten Halvorsen, 10 people (nameless) lived on the farm.
Only tax payers (farm owners) and men/boys (potential soldiers) were of interst for the authorities (the king)
Its passed midnight in Norway, time to close the lamp to save Kerosene
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Edited by - Kċarto on 16/07/2014 00:11:40 |
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Someone got it wrong - Help with record conflicts
