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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 22/07/2014 : 15:42:10
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Tønnes is a first name in Norway that you find in the south and southwest of Norway mostly. So Tønnesen the patronymic is most likely found in that same area of Norway. Rogaland is included in that area. I'm guessing that it occurs fairly rarely in Australia so perhaps this fellow Neil Tonsen who died in 1899 age 54 might be related. Especially since one of Hans' children was named Nils:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLJG-FZR |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/07/2014 : 23:44:27
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Just a thought.
The only Norwegian name to my knowledge containing Tonsen is Antonsen
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/07/2014 : 01:29:29
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Here are, from the 1865 Norwegian census transcription on line at the digitalarkivet, counts by fylke in Norway and then within Rogland fylke:
Last name starting with Tøn/ etternavn: tønes, tønesd, tønesen, tøness, tønnes, tønnesd, tønnesdatter, tønnesdtr, tønnese, tønnesen, tønness, tønnessd, tønnessen, tønnis, tønnisd, tønniss, tønnissen, tønnsd, tønnsen, tønnæs, tønnæsd, tønnæss, tøns, tønsd
Birthplace starts with Stav / fodested: stavanger, stavangers, stavangær, stavangærs
Østfold 0
Akershus 0
Oslo 0
Hedmark 0
Oppland 0
Buskerud 0
Vestfold 1
Telemark 1
Aust-Agder 1
Vest-Agder 7
Rogaland 77
Hordaland 0
Sogn og Fjordane 0
Møre og Romsdal 0
Sør-Trøndelag 0
Nord-Trøndelag 0
Nordland 0
Troms 0
Finnmark 0
Totalt 87
Rogaland parish totals:
1101 Egersund 1
1103 Stavanger 67
1106 Haugesund 1
1119 Haa 1
1120 Klep 1
1124 Haaland 2
1126 Hetland 4
Totalt 77
I think Kåre is right that it appears that we will have to look at other parishes perhaps near to Stavanger to find Hans.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/07/2014 : 18:33:22
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Another tough nut....
Below, a possible?
1865
Living at Akre, Skudenes prestegjeld, Rogaland
Tønnes Tønnesen 48 Skudesnæs Prgj. Husfader g Gbr og Leilænding
Anne Kristine Hansdatter 49 Skudesnæs Prgj. hans Kone g
Hans Tønnesen 23 Skudesnæs Prgj. deres Søn ug Fisker og Dagarbeider
Karen Marie Tønnesdatter 21 Skudesnæs Prgj. deres Datter ug hjælper Forældrene med Gaardsbruget
Tønnes Tønnesen 16 Skudesnæs Prgj. deres Søn ug hjælper Forældrene med Gaardsbruget
Inger Karine Tønnesdatter 13 Skudesnæs Prgj. deres Datter ug
Christiane Tonnesdatter 10 Skudesnæs Prgj. deres Datter ug
Anna Tønnesdatter 6 Skudesnæs Prgj. deres Datter ug
Jakob Tønnesen 3 Skudesnæs Prgj.
As mentioned first-born children to Hans = Josephine Hans Tonsen and Neils Hans Joseph Tonsen, so admittedly the family seemed pretty serious about Joseph/Josef or the like.
Stavanger seems pretty iffy as a birth place. As I've noticed by reading this forum (and elsewhere), often times immigrants named the big port city from which they departed as a point of origin. Perhaps he/she had lived there a little while before departure. The question "where are you from?" doesn't always trigger the actual birth parish, especially when that's a small place not known in the adopted community (in this case, in Australia).
Hans's age is calculated from his death record (only source, is that right?).
From Jan Peter, in a 2005 post: "Tannes, Tennes, Tonne, Tonnes, Tynnes, Tønne, Tønnen, Tønner, Tønnes, Tønni, Tønnis could all be different variations of the same name." |
Edited by - JaneC on 25/07/2014 01:18:30 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 24/07/2014 : 20:30:07
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Hans Tønnesen b. 1843 em. to America April 1871 with his wife Anna Torgilsdatter.
His siblings;
- Karen Marie stayed in Norway
- Tønnes to America 1877
- Inger Carine stayed in Norway
- Kristiane to America where she married Anton C. Johnsen
- Anna to America where she married Lockrem. Day
-Jacob to America 1881
The parents Tønnes Tønnesen and Anne Hansdatterto America 1881, changed name to Thompson.
Source; farm Åkra, Karmøy bygdebok.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/07/2014 : 23:53:54
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As Kåre points out Hans Tønnesen b 1843 can not be the Han Tonsen who immigrated to Australia.. Here he is in the 1900 US Census. But as JaneC points out "a tough nut to crack" indeed.
1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Hans Thompson
Age: 56
Birth Date: Sep 1843
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1900: Scandinavia, Deuel, South Dakota
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1871
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Betsy Thompson
Marriage Year: 1874
Years Married: 26
Father's Name: Tonnes Tonneson
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Occupation:
Household Members:
Name Age
Hans Thompson 56
Betsy Thompson 53
Anna C Thompson 23
Theodor N Thompson 21
Christiana Thompson 17
Albert Bodsberg 23
Tonnes Tonneson 80 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 25/07/2014 : 01:31:30
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But as JaneC points out "a tough nut to crack" indeed.
Its probably the only thing we have said on this one that is correct. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 25/07/2014 : 01:53:21
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Working off of the find Jackie of a Niels Tonsen born abt 1845, there is this Nis Tønnesen, mother is not named Kristine or anything close and not a Hans in the list. . However the family does contain some sailors and the birth years are about right. From the 1865 Norwegian Cenus. Family is from Vest-Agder ie next to Rogaland fylke.
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01038191000321 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 25/07/2014 : 02:32:26
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One of the family Gabriel travelling to New York, lists last residence as Farsund and occupation as seaman.
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Gabriel Tonnesen
Arrival Date: 2 Apr 1904
Birth Date: abt 1866
Age: 38 Years 3 Months
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Christiansand, Norway
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: United States |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 25/07/2014 : 03:30:49
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Another record for a Neils Tonsen. Based on the date, it is not likely to be the son of Hans.
New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922
Name: Neils Tonsson
Port of Departure: Bremen
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 25 Dec 1888
Vessel Name: Salier |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 25/07/2014 : 17:56:41
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Going back to the beginning to the one source which has his parents' names, their names are given as Joseph Tonsen and Christine. Joseph with any spelling is not that common a first name in Norway (the female version Josephine is much more usual) are there any other names which might be similar to Joseph?
In Rogaland in the 1865 there are a number of Joe and therefore Joesons and Joedatters. Rogaland parishes with Joe used this way are Jelsa, Vikedal, Hjemeland and a couple of others. Did not find any Joe Ton[ne]sen.
In Møre og Romsdal in 1865 census there is a more common male name Josva and therefore Josvason and Josvadatter. I assume that Josva might be the Norwegian equivalent of Joshua --but I don't know-- and to my American ear if pronounced quickly it does remind of Joseph. Did not find a Josva Ton[ne]sen.
Looking at the church registers only at the new page of the Digitalarkivet
for a father named Joe found no Ton[ne]sen but a very remote possible did turn up, Not in Rogaland but in a parish called Snåsa in Nord Trøndelag." Joe is given the last name of "Dunsjø", no patronymic as the father of a child (not named Hans, sorry) and the mother is called Kirsti.
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/kb/kf/person/pk00000001043846
In the 1865 census in Snåsa there are 3 farm called "Dunsjøen" but I found no persons living there on the farm named Joe nor Joeson or Joesdatter nor in Snåsa.
However, this may the son Ole of Joe Dunsjø in the 1865 census, going by Johnson:
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=f61742&gardpostnr=504&personpostnr=3166&merk=3166#ovre
Ole Joeson Dunsjø's father is named Joe Olsen Dunsjø the baptism #37 left hand page:
Source information: Nord-Trøndelag county, Nordli in Snåsa, Parish register (official) nr. 755A01 /1 (1817-1864), Birth and baptism records 1833-1835, page 26-27.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2505&idx_id=2505&uid=ny&idx_side=-15
Nordli is a small parish that's part of Snåsa and so I quickly read through and found no Hans whose father was Joe born 1850-1852. Joe is repeated in several records however along with Joen and Joh. So I wonder if its a local variant of John. Joe among English speakers is significant as it is the usual nickname of Joseph and I could see a possible scenario wherein a person's father's name is spoken as Joe / Joh and an English speaker dresses it up to Joseph.
And one other remote possibility. There is a farm called Tonsen in Aker and there is a 14 year old Hans Joakin Sogn b. Aker. His parents are not Joseph nor Christine:
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5&filnamn=f60218b&gardpostnr=250&merk=250#ovre
Transcription of Hans' baptism:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N71P-T99
Hans Sogn is also not possible as he married twice in Oslo in the 1870s and 1880s, so very unlikely to be in Australia.
Tonsen farm eventually becomes a hospital and pleiehjem:
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22tonsen%22+norway&start=10&client=firefox-a&hs=fx2&sa=N&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&tbm=isch&imgil=fO9TSPufXF-JZM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcSVxEbzC50X0iUSnLj2eoWwRwqjpb3jt9w0Nfj03IDKJ7CHGvJQ4w%253B600%253B337%253BPjzGOjL4rV5moM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.geocaching.com%25252Fseek%25252Fcache_details.aspx%25253Fguid%2525253D519598b1-8449-45dc-b24a-16dee6ab3039&source=iu&usg=__D3HRdIfkj4kxagF6WTN_xSUHhwM%3D&ei=YqDTU-Nqg5jIBOHxgoAB&ved=0CGUQ9QEwDDgK&biw=1024&bih=611#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=fO9TSPufXF-JZM%253A%3BPjzGOjL4rV5moM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fimgcdn.geocaching.com%252Fcache%252Flarge%252Ff8ede436-5bd5-44df-ad2c-ac37260f39a2.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.geocaching.com%252Fseek%252Fcache_details.aspx%253Fguid%253D519598b1-8449-45dc-b24a-16dee6ab3039%3B600%3B337 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 27/07/2014 23:49:33 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/07/2014 : 16:01:55
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Tonsen farm, an interesting past.
In the middle-age Tonsen was owned by Hovedøya Monastery, 1806-54 owned by the Bailiff, 1887 Tonsen was a farm for poor paupers in Aker parish. Aker Hospital & nursing home opened here July 1. 1896.
This house was build ca 1760 and is protected by the Law.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 26/07/2014 16:03:27 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 28/07/2014 : 16:53:09
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This morning I looked at mocavo.com and found this about Hans Tonsen in Australia:
Hans Jurgen TONSEN
New South Wales, Australia, Naturalization Index, 1834–1903
Last Name:Tonsen
First Name:Hans Jurgen
Date of Certificate: 31 Oct 1900
So apparently he did become a citizen and hopefully, there might be some other interesting paperwork involved with this procedure.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 28/07/2014 : 17:39:33
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Hans Jørgen in Norwegian, Jyrgen (German) to avoid using Ø
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Kåarto
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Posted - 28/07/2014 : 17:52:09
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Not to create confusions.
I wonder if Tonsen is a dead end, if it was a name he chose for reasons we do not know.
We have Hans Jørgen with parents Joseph and Christina (Kristine-Kirstine)
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