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gairath
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 Posted - 27/08/2014 : 08:53:30
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| I was born and still live in Australia. I am trying to find any information on my grandfather..Edward James DeLeiuen. This is the spelling I have grown up with. The story was that he was born in Kristiania, Norway in the late 1880s or thereabouts. He then boarded a ship as a cabin boy and jumped off in Australia. He would have been about 12 years old. Our family have tried unsuccessfully to find a birth certificate or any other family members anywhere in the world except for his Australian descendents. Any help would be appreciated as it's looking like this mystery may never be solved. He reportedly had one sister named Kristina..not sure if it starts with C or K...she stayed in Norway. |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 27/08/2014 : 09:50:04
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DeLeiuen is not a Norwegian name, perhaps it was changed in Australia.
When I Googled his name I came across link
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jungfigh
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Malta
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Posted - 27/08/2014 : 10:28:06
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quote:
Originally posted by Kċarto
DeLeiuen is not a Norwegian name, perhaps it was changed in Australia.
When I Googled his name I came across link
Kċre
Good search Kċre  |
DL. ;o) Malta. G.C. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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jkmarler
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USA
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/08/2014 : 17:33:03
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From Ancestry.com
Australia Cemetery Index, 1808-2007
Name: Edward Deleiuen
[Jim Deleiuen]
Death Age: 80
Birth Date: abt 1886
Death Date: 5 Aug 1966
Burial Date: 6 Aug 1966
Cemetery: Casino West Cemetery
Section: New Anglican
Cemetery Location: West Street Casino, New South Wales
Grave Place: Row M Plot 21
Remarks: h/o Florence. b.Oslo, Norway. RRE 5.8.1966 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/08/2014 : 19:15:14
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A public family tree on Ancestry.com gives him a birth date of 31 Dec 1886 in Norway. No source. Do you happen to know where this date comes from?
Back with an addition from the posted family tree online, quote: "Comment about Rail Card. It looks to me that the card was originally issued in the name Delenien Edward with a DOB of 30 Decbr. 87."
> "The story was that he was born in Kristiania, Norway in the late 1880s or thereabouts. He then boarded a ship as a cabin boy and jumped off in Australia. He would have been about 12 years old." <
Do you mind sharing with the forum what causes you to think he was a cabin boy and that he was about age 12 when he chose to remain in Australia? His death certificate says he was age 80 at death and had been in Australia about 57 years - making him about age 23 at arrival.
> "He reportedly had one sister named Kristina..not sure if it starts with C or K...she stayed in Norway." <
Again, would you mind helping us understand why you say this? that he reportedly had a sister Kristina/Christine? |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/08/2014 : 20:53:02
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A little trip through Ancestry.com and Family Search turns up just about nobody in the whole world named DeLeiuen or De Leiuen except for Edward and his descendants. Similar names or variations of what is possibly the same name come up - as in Deleeno, Dahlen, Liersund, etc.
"Edward James De Leiuen" seems to be French for "Edward James from Leuien," just as "Edvart Jens Lien" would be "Edvart Jens from Lien."
Deleiuen doesn't sound like a Norwegian name at all. I'm sure you've heard that before, and so you assured us from the start this is the name, as spelled, as you have always known it. Of course, some people have been born in Norway who have foreign sounding names, for example, some born of foreign-born parents.
The story told in the family tree posted by lyndal40 (Anton) says Edward may have used someone else's identity to get his first job on the railroad. Perhaps his name of Edward DeLeiuen is also false. Either that, or it is an Anglicization of a Norwegian name that we can't yet recognize.
On the death certificate, his father is given the same name: Edward DeLeiuen. In that case, maybe Edward born circa 1886 was born Edward Edwardsen (insert farm name here).
His mother's name of Florence Pearsen again could be an Anglicization of her first name - but the last name could be Norwegian with just a varied spelling (Persen, for example).
The least credible information in the Australian records is that he was born in Oslo (Christiania), as that place name is often given by immigrants as a birth place even though they weren't actually born within one of Oslo's parishes (and thus the birth will not turn up there).
So that's it - just wanted to report I did look, with various wildcards and name variations, through Ancestry. One of my methods was simply to look for Edward, Edvard, or Edvart born in Norway in December 1886 +- 1 year. Nobody turns up yet. Maybe Anton will have better luck. |
Edited by - JaneC on 27/08/2014 21:17:35 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/08/2014 : 23:14:13
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For the date of 31 Dec 1886, search of Ancestry.com for that specific date and a first name of Edward (Edvard) finds one person.
Name: Edvard August Abrahamsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 31 des 1886 (31 Dec 1886)
Baptism Date: 16 jan 1887
Baptism Place: Spangereid, Vest-Agder, Norway
Father: Severin Abrahamsen
Mother: Tobine Jakobsdr
FHL Film Number: 311272 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/08/2014 : 00:11:06
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Here is Edvard Delin born in 1885.
NHDC 1900
No longer a candidate. He is still living in Norway in 1910 and probably with his parents?
NHDC 1910 |
Edited by - AntonH on 28/08/2014 00:17:18 |
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amyanderson75
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 28/08/2014 : 00:35:12
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| Maybe he was from the Netherlands? Edward James De (means of) Leiuen? Leiden Is a place in Netherlands. |
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gairath
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 28/08/2014 : 01:18:25
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Thanks everyone..I think it will remain a mystery. All the information I have is from my mother and her family..We don't think he is a Schubert but its starting to look more likely..but what a strange name to conjour up. As I said I live I. Australia..not far from his grave. All of the DeLeiuens are his direct descendants. I do remember him ..he was a .an of very few words....but always told the Norwegian story. There are blondes
and redheads in the family. |
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Edited by - gairath on 28/08/2014 01:31:43 |
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amyanderson75
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USA
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gairath
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 28/08/2014 : 01:37:37
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| This is only speculation..nothing has been proven.... |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 28/08/2014 : 01:42:28
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Certainly confusing, doesn't seem that everyone beleives that the two are one and the same. Anyway here is a birth record for James H Shubert, born in Australia not Germany? and born in 1892 not 1886?
Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name: James H Shubert
Birth Date: 1892
Father's Name: Joseph Shubert
Mother's name: Lucy
Birth Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1892
Registration Place: Taree, New South Wales
Registration Number: 34517 |
Edited by - AntonH on 28/08/2014 01:49:50 |
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