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livtjern
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 Posted - 16/10/2014 : 00:25:06
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| Hans Olsen, born 13. September 1865 in Vinger, Norway. I belive he can be: Hans Olsen from Vinger, Norway, worker, 17 year old, emigrated 8.March 1882 from Oslo/Christiania With the ship Rollo, line Blichfeldt. His measure was Philadelphia, USA. Can somebody find out about he did came to Philadelphia? Maybe he changed the name to Samuel Otto Haugen when he come to USA. Is it some Place I can look for this? Passenger-list? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/10/2014 : 01:57:33
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Familysearch.org has several Philadephia passenger list databases which could be searched. It's a free site.
What's the evidence that indicates that he made such a radical transformation in his name (Hans Olson to Samuel Otto Haugen)? |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 16/10/2014 : 12:36:28
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The passenger list may possibly be found but probably it will yield no additional identifying details. Travel could possibly maybe be to Hull, then to Liverpool, then transatlantic on a connecting American Line ship.
What are you seeking? To know what became of Hans Olsen of Vinger? Is your Hans the son of Ole Eriksen on Runihaugen in 1865? The birth record for that Hans eems to say 13 Dec 1865 but I find it hard to read.
Is this the Hans you mean?
Family tree online lists these folks as Ole Eriksen Rundhagen b 1831 and wife Otelia (Thea) Christiansdatter 1841-1868. Tree says their young son Hans born 1865 died 1870.
He is not the only Hans Olsen born 1865 in Vinger, but I didn't find one, in my quick search, who matches your stated birth date. Rather than invest more time, better to ask you to more fully explain your mission and identify your Hans. |
Edited by - JaneC on 16/10/2014 15:14:20 |
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livtjern
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Norway
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Posted - 16/10/2014 : 17:04:14
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Yes, Hans Olsen was a son of Ole Eriksen and Otilie (Thea) Rundhaugen, but I cant find him when he died in 1870. I've looked for his dead from he was born and to first in 1880, have looked at Church-books for another Church too,. Have looked for his confirmation and he is not there. I belive he emigrated. It's about his Family at "My Heritage Family tree" and there it's standing a question about he died in 1870. Ole Eriksen Rundhaugen did marry to a New lady in 1873. My neighbour is grandchild of one of Hans Olsen's Brothers, and I will ask her about this. And I know more People of this family, and Rundhaugen is ca 3 km from my home.
The Things is: Caroline from USA is looking for her great-grand father Samuel Otto (Knudsen, Haugen) who should be born in Kongsvinger (Vinger) 15. September 1865, and emigrated to USA in 1879 - 1880. His father gave him Money for the trip. Samuel Otto's steph-mother didn't like him, so because that he emigrated.He came to Oregon in 1886. Did marry to Ida May Adams in 1893, Michigan. He used the name Samuel Otto Haugen (of Rundhaugen?).
They had 9 kids together I see from a Picture.
census 1900, he was :Precinct 19, Portland city ward 5, Multnomah, Oregon.
census 1910: West Cedar, Washington, Oregon.
Samuel Otto Haugen died 6.March 1956 Multnomah, Oregon.
In the churhc-books for Vinger and census for Norway it's no boys who was born that time in Norway With that name, just one: In Stavanger, but he did marry and lived there. Found him at the census 1900/1910 in Stavanger, Norway.
I belive Hans Olsen and Samuel Otto can be the same man, but where did he stay when he come to USA until the marriage?
Hope you understand this.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/10/2014 : 17:21:56
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Ok, thanks. Yes, now I understand it is not Hans you seek. It is Samuel Otto.
Several online discussions are relevant to the search for Samuel. Since you seem to perhaps familiar with these, would you mind posting the links please? In one, a father Ole Ottesen was proposed.
As far as I can see, the only reason to consider Hans Olsen is that you say Hans Olsen was born 13 September 1865.
USA records show Samuel Otto's birth date as 15 September 1865.
But what do you see, when you look at Hans's birth date? Will you help read it, please? It seems to be December, to me.
A Hans Olsen born in Vinger earlier in 1865 can be the one who immigrated, and maybe more candidates exist than what I noticed.
Do you have any other reasons to choose Ole Eriksen's son to be Samuel? |
Edited by - JaneC on 16/10/2014 17:28:17 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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jkmarler
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/10/2014 : 00:37:10
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Jackie, that 1900 census is the one cited by an Ancestry.com family tree. The tree has a note attached to a photo of the son, Otto Samuel Haugen, that reads "Sams'son Otto"
Hi livtjern, The source below agrees that the Hans Olsen you mention was born 13 DECEMBER 1865, not September. Sorry but it seems to me he cannot be Samuel Otto Haugen born 15 September 1865.
See #228
Hedmark fylke, Vinger, Ministerialbok nr. 11 (1862-1870), Fødte og døpte 1865, side 105.
An Ancestry.com tree here
Discussion of Samuel Otto Haugen on Arkivverket
Another discussion of Samuel Otto Haugen on this blog
Discussion of Samuel Otto Haugen on DIS-Norge here
Need to reread those discussions to find the needed documentation for birth date etc. (not posted on the family tree)
His first son was Otto Samuel; his first daughter was Anna Laura.
Caption to an 1890 portrait of two young men (posted on tree) says it pictures Harry Stirret and Sam Hogan (Haugen). |
Edited by - JaneC on 17/10/2014 01:13:03 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 17/10/2014 : 08:06:34
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One candidate put forward at the other forum is this person, #191 Sigvard Olsen b. 15 Sept 1864:
Source information: Hedmark county, Sør-Odal, Parish register (official) nr. 3 (1864-1870), Birth and baptism records 1864, page 18.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8871&idx_id=8871&uid=ny&idx_side=-23
And the name he used when leaving in 1881 is "Sigvard Olsen Haugen," #48:
Source information: Hedmark county, Sør-Odal, Parish register (official) nr. 5 (1876-1885), Emigration records 1881, page 420.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6037&idx_id=6037&uid=ny&idx_side=-393
Here is likeliest to be Sigvard's father Ole Ottersen on Haugen in 1865:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01038037002332
Andrea Sørensdatter Dunsrud's confirmation:
Source information: Hedmark county, Sør-Odal, Parish register (official) nr. 1 (1849-1859), Confirmation records 1858, page 178.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8869&idx_id=8869&uid=ny&idx_side=-188
Andrea Sørensdatter's parents on Dunsrud in 1865:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01038037008967 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 17/10/2014 08:52:05 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/10/2014 : 19:38:26
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Sigvard Olsen Haugen is an excellent candidate and one would guess he is the right guy or anyway could be and definitely worth trying to prove he is. Location is pretty good. The name "Otte" comes into it. Can you tell if the the family has copies of the original marriage record, naturalization papers, baptism records of the children, death record. Seems like a lot of assertions without sources. The search needs organizing of facts with sources.
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https://stage.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Hedmark_County,_Norway |
Edited by - JaneC on 17/10/2014 19:46:27 |
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livtjern
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Norway
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Posted - 18/10/2014 : 00:31:54
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| Thanks you all for the help, you are very good all of you! Samuel Otto was a sell name in Norway, they were not many boys With that name in 1865. Sigvard Olsen Haugen from Sør-Odal can be the right man. I will look at the farm-books for Sør-Odal. |
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livtjern
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Posted - 19/10/2014 : 00:29:50
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I will like to find Samuel Otto, and I'm interesting to find: Hans Olsen Rundhaugen who was born 13. December 1865, (I read wrong, sorry). But I can't find his dead, have looked many times over that in the churchbook, and its why I Wonder about he emigated, too. I'm waiting for a answer about him from a man who looks for relatives from Rundhaugen. My neighbour didn't know about Hans Olsen, but she knowed that a Brother of him, Carl Olsen Rundhaugen, born 11. March 1862 emigr. to USA, (havn't the date), married Sept. 1890 to Anna Ellefsen Øimoen. Carl died 26.12.1949 in Northwood, Iowa.
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livtjern
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Norway
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Posted - 19/10/2014 : 00:42:27
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And Samuel Otto, his father did marry another woman, and she didn't like him, so he emigrated to USA.
At the census in 1865 did Sigvard Olsen live together With his mother, and With another Family at Melgårdsrønning, Sør Odal, not With his father. Sigvard was born without marriage. I will sheck about his mother died early and maybe Sigvard moved to his fathers home in Sør Odal before he emigrated and maybe his father was married With another woman that time. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 22/10/2014 : 08:34:10
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Hans Olsen b 1865 also doesn't appear in vaccination records of Sør Odal to through1871.
Carl went by Olson in US. Various migration years are given in census:
1900--1880
1910--1882
1920--1879
1930--1879
Here is Carl's listing in 1900:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9GS-RH8
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livtjern
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Norway
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Posted - 26/10/2014 : 00:27:54
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| I know about Carl Olsen, a relative have written about him. But he and Hans were not from Sør-Odal, but from Vinger. Many peoples are seeking for Sigvart Olsen from Sør-Odal this time, so I'm waitng for what they will find out about him. |
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jkmarler
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