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JaneC
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 Posted - 07/11/2014 : 03:05:17
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| A bit of clarification - the children's names and ages on the Doan tree match the children in the 1865 census I posted. Their mother Is clearly not the woman of similar name who was raising a family in Sweden at this time. |
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sabingd
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 16/12/2014 : 09:17:23
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Her name is Maren Haagensdatter, the name behind is the place they were living, in this case "Stalsbergeie" - i.e. a farm/cottage under the main farm Stalsberg.
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sabingd
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Posted - 16/12/2014 : 17:41:04
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Thank you very much. When I look further across this line, I see what appears to be referance to Ole, Larson, Olson and another name I can't make out. Could this be a referance to other family members? |
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sabingd
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Posted - 02/01/2015 : 00:53:44
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I have a new question but since it is connection to the above messages, it might be best to add it to this thread.
In a reply from Hopkins on page one, there is a list of my great grandfather Hans Haakensen and his family. Hans had an older daughter named Hilda Leanora Cleo Haakensen, Birth, 2 Oct 1886 in Bergen, Hordaland, Norway. Here is my question. Hilda did not sail with her family and I understand she came to the U.S. before the rest of them. Did she sail from Bergen and if there was a baptismal record was Mathia her mother or was it Hans' first wife. Also, could this have been Bergan with an (a)?
Hans Haagensens first wife was Maren Henrikke Hansdatter. They were married Sept 17 1871, #68. Maren Henrikke died of cancer Jan 6 1874, (church record name her Maren Henriette Haagensen, née Hansen) #6 on right page.
Maren Henrikke was born in Eidsvold 1843, parish records for Eidsvold were lost in a fire in 1877. Further info is therefore very difficult to find. (Edited by - eibache on 03/11/2014 16:47:40)
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 02/01/2015 : 02:09:09
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Hans married Marthea Larsen in 1885, so it is reasonable to guess a daughter born in 1886 was born to her (not to a first wife who died in 1874). Hilda Leonore's birth-baptism record was posted on page one of this thread by jwiborg. Her name appears in blue. Click on the name to see the record. It is found in th# churchbook for Var Frelsers menighet, Oslo Domkirke, Oslo fylke.
Which leaves the question of Hilda Leonore's emigration. Do you find her in US records? As she is your ancestor, maybe you know her married name and have found her in 1910 census? That census tells year of immigration. Maybe you know if she immigrated as a single, or married, woman.
In 1900 Norway census, Hilda is with her family in Kristiania (aka Oslo).
Family listed is
Hans Haakensen b 1837
Mathea b 1860
Hilda b 1886
Margit b 1890
Rut b 1895
Alf b 1897
Stephen P Morse website is a great entry point for finding US incoming passengers. I'll take a look, and you might try as well.
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sabingd
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Posted - 02/01/2015 : 02:59:34
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| Thank you. I will search through the emigration information. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 02/01/2015 : 03:36:17
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Joseph John Kolvek was perhaps her husband's name? Married in USA? So most likely she should emigrate under maiden name. The family emigrated 1903, so if she emigrated before them, she should be in USA 1910 census.
How sure are you that your ancestor Cleo is Hilda Leonore? I ask because you did not seem to know her mother's name, which would be a way of differentiating the various Haakensen families. A copy of the original of her death record should or may tell her mother's name.
In addition you are saying your Cleo was born in BERGEN, whereas Hilda Leonore was born in OSLO. Perhaps you are referring to a faulty family tree of someone else - or you may have bona fide evidence your Cleo was born in Bergen. It's hard to sort fact from fiction as things are stated.
1940
Omaha, Douglas, Nebraska
Joseph Kolvek 42
Cleo Kolvek 46, born 1894 in Norway ---------
Russel Kolvek 26
Agnes 29
Barbara - 3 grandchildren
John
James age 1, born about 1939
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sabingd
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Posted - 02/01/2015 : 19:06:04
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Cleo married the same Joseph Kolvek you are talking about, but it was at least 15 years after she imigrated to the U.S. During that time she had 2 children out of wedlock. One son was Russell and the other was my dad, Arthur. Arthur's birth Certificate listed him as Baby Boy Hogonson. About 6 months after his birth, Arthur (Baby Boy Hogonson), was turned over to a children's shelter in Minneapolis or St. Paul. He was taken out of the shelter and raised by Christian A. and Emma Sabin in the Detroit Lakes, Becker County, Minnesota area. I don't know if he was adopted or not but he was listed as Arthur Sabin in the 1920 census.
Thank you for your research in formation. As some family members have said, "Cleo is a bit of a mystery in her early years". |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/01/2015 : 21:19:59
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Yes indeed. Cleo has been a difficult search for you I am sure. The new information is interesting but does not quite answer the question, how do you link Cleo to Hilda Leonore? That question remains. Plus a new question arises, how do you link Arthur to Cleo? I can't bring up Arthur's birth record on Minnesota Historical Society website based on the criteria you state. But apparently Russel is older? born circa 1914 (per 1940 census) and Arthur born circa 1915 (per 1920 census). Christian O Sabin (1872-1929) was born Fairbault, MN to Norwegian parents (same source).
Well, you may not want the forum to check Cleo's identity (as Hilda Leonore, or not). Perhaps you have evidence that seems conclusive, already, linking Arthur to Cleo and Cleo to Hilda. My own take is that a lot of wide-of-the-mark info is slung around and Arthur's ancestry might actually be an open question. |
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jkmarler
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/01/2015 : 22:35:15
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| Okay,great. I also found an online discussion (Rootsweb) that says Cleo is named in Alf's obit - no further details in the post. |
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sabingd
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Posted - 02/01/2015 : 22:58:24
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Hilda Lenora Cleo Haakinson has been very elusive to say the least. On my father's birth certificate she showed her name as Ella Hokanson but on the Baptismal Certificate she is listed as Lenora Haakinson. I took my DNA test and it linked me to Cleos family.
In Minnesota an Illigitamate child's birth certificate is sealed but my dad got a copy of it in the late 1940s from the Ramsy County, Minnesota court house. The historical society is not allowed to open it to the public for 100 years which was 1914. As of last month it hadn't been opened yet.
My father met Cleo in the 1940s and she welcomed him in but she said she did not know his father's name and and she didn't disclose much other ther than the events relating to him. But it did link him to Cleo for sure
There is a family tree that has a few incorrect entries but it does include Russell and my father with Cleo. http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/10700384/person/-585860801?ssrc=
All of you are great! |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/01/2015 : 23:57:48
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Originally posted by sabingd
Hilda Lenora Cleo Haakinson has been very elusive to say the least. On my father's birth certificate she showed her name as Ella Hokanson but on the Baptismal Certificate she is listed as Lenora Haakinson. I took my DNA test and it linked me to Cleos family.
The doble aa is apart in some names replaced by the letter Ċ (same pronunciation)
Haakinson;
Haakensen or Haakonsen in Norway.
Reg, Hokanson, Hok..... in English and Hċk...... Haak..... in Norwegian is pronounced almost identically.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 03/01/2015 : 01:21:15
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Is the "Russell Starvick" grandson in the family in 1920 the same as Russell Kolvek? Marcell is a sister to Russell Kolvek and your Arthur? Marcell's marriage announcement in the Omaha newspaper gives her last name as Anderson, parents as Mr & Mrs Arthur Anderson and that she was raised by her aunt and uncle Mr & Mrs J. J. Kolvek. In some records Russell as a middle initial A -- do you know what that stands for?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MD9S-6QP
The family in 1910 Yellow Medicine county, Minnesota:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M259-6W6 |
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